We can agree to disagree
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Originally Posted by wong21fr
IDK about your proposition to use the DDA bonding to conduct a DURA Skyline redux. Feels a bit icky and counter-productive. There will certainly be demolition of some towers downtown over the coming decades, but I suspect there is a good chunk of the B and C towers that are decently positioned for residential conversion as is (say 33%). This Pew/Gensler proposal is likely only applicable to one or two towers where a semi-market solution would work along with subsidies. But if you can get ~1,300 units into a building where ~300 units would normally go. I'd support putting $25M into doing such a conversion.
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For starters the Gensler idea makes me nervous. To a point I love affordable housing but downtown Denver already has enough of an image problem to potentially add a project filled with 'trash' - OK, over-exaggeration perhaps but worth considering.
Additionally, I was relying on
mhays whose expertise concerning construction is much smarter than mine
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Worst of all, conversions still cost way more than new construction...or so I'm told, even after a lot of costs have narrowed.
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Let me correct myself
since I couldn't even speak intelligently about where I live. Doing rideshare has me mostly avoiding downtown but I end up there from time to time but don't have time to count the number of stories etc.
For starters the height limit in downtown Phoenix is ~30 stories (for apartments).
For example
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Discover urban luxury living at PALMtower, a striking new addition to the Phoenix skyline by renowned Phoenix architect Will Bruder, a 29-story residential tower. Experience the epitome of luxury urban living ... where PALMtower is the hottest new destination for high-rise apartment living.
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I hope you're not saying that other than say The Quincy that downtown doesn't deserve nice new things? The difference in architectural appeal and living style from a new-build rather than a converted warmed over blah is striking.
How about some downtown TOD
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Central Station* – Expected completion 2025
This mammoth architectural undertaking by Multistudio balances a number of factors to transform the area into a “vibrant urban hub” of activity, including multiple residential towers, a transit center, and ground-floor retail space to greet the City of Phoenix bus and Valley Metro light rail commuters and shoppers. The 32-story residential and 21-story student housing towers add 655 units to Downtown’s inventory, with seven percent allocated as workforce housing. The project is set to open within the next two years.
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Credit Holland Partner for building many quality projects in Denver but their most notable "The Platform" in DUS is 21 stories but on the whole DUS is much more mid-density than tall boys. BTW, they just broke ground on a 45-story apartment in Seattle -- that's what I'm saying that downtown Denver deserves: new construction from say 25 stories and up. For example The Quincy is 28 stories.
To think that Denver (downtown) would settle for way less that the nice apartments in downtown Phoenix sounds really strange.
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Originally Posted by wong21fr
Feels like you're talking about RiNo, Ball Arena, River Mile, and Golden Triangle that are/will provide a ton of market-rate units as well as some affordable options in towers ranging from 6 to 40-stories. Be remiss to not mention Amacon's four-tower development in downtown proper that will bring 1,000 units of for-sale housing.
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I'm talking about downtown and not the nearby neighborhoods. Who knows in what decade or what River Mile will end up looking like. They haven't even started the So Platte river redevelopment. But yes, props to Amacon Towers. We need more like this in the
CBD.