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Old Posted Dec 10, 2024, 3:46 PM
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Demo permit went in for 55 W Hastings so maybe we'll see that lot developed.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Guest&PosseObjectId=247061647
The rental building will have a new architect, following the death of Gair Williamson, who designed the building that was approved for the site.

It's extraordinary how long Holborn have taken to build the rental building on the adjacent lot, originally designed by the same architect. It's eight years since the rezoning was submitted, and six since it was approved, and since then nothing seems to have happened. (They submitted the Development Permit, which was approved years ago).
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Here’s a large rezoning proposal submitted by the City for the lots they own at the South corner of Burrard & Pacific. Site is the entire block of Burrard, Pacific, Hornby, & Beach less the Condo tower along Beach. 11.5 FSR gives about 740k sf.


https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Guest&PosseObjectId=247215495
This is nice to see, I always forget about that block, it is kind of like how the block where Vancouver House is now used to look. It always slips my mind when I think of the vacant or nearly-vacant properties downtown, but it is a huge one. Interesting it will be two rental buildings, it's such a prominent location and will have some amazing views. Just shows how the luxury condo market is in the toilet, even a site like this isn't condo-worthy
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55 W Hastings seems like it's gone with a dark look with the new architect on the project: Urban West Architecture Inc.



https://uwarchitecture.com/project/55-w-hastings-st
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55 W Hastings seems like it's gone with a dark look with the new architect on the project: Urban West Architecture Inc.



https://uwarchitecture.com/project/55-w-hastings-st
Nice find.
Do you have any info about the rental building proposal right next to this?
I think I saw the proposal ages ago

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Nice find.
Do you have any info about the rental building proposal right next to this?
I think I saw the proposal ages ago
The latest was from last December with Henriquez Partners saying they were going to submit a new rezoning. Nothing since.
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The latest was from last December with Henriquez Partners saying they were going to submit a new rezoning. Nothing since.
Oh no
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Daily Hive has a tour. So glad to see that block finally getting cleaned up. This will be a great addition to the area.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-rec-room-downtown-vancouver-open
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500 Dunsmuir to be demolished by mid January

https://council.vancouver.ca/20241218/spec20241218ag.htm
So Holborn have ownd the building for 20 years (?), failed to submit a development proposal, and allowed the building to deteriorate to the point that it has to be demolished. They had residential density on the site related to the potential heritage restoration (ex SRO) so they now forfeit that.
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Yes more appropriate in this thread. Thank you and will be interesting to watch this be vacant for more years to come.
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This reads as 1132 rental apartments, so I assume it is. Live rezoning application for Burrard and Hornby:

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1402-1460-burrard-st

EDIT: Wait so this is the City as the applicant... do we recall how these get built?
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This reads as 1132 rental apartments, so I assume it is. Live rezoning application for Burrard and Hornby:

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1402-1460-burrard-st

EDIT: Wait so this is the City as the applicant... do we recall how these get built?
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In Fall 2023, Council directed staff to establish the VHDO
to centralize housing delivery functions with a focus on
the development of market rental housing on City land.
This direction was supported by the Mayor’s Budget Task
Force Report, which recommended optimizing the City’s
real estate portfolio to create perpetual value and generate
non-tax revenue to address the growing infrastructure
deficit. Together these efforts form part of the City’s
Housing Vancouver Strategy which seeks to enable the
“right supply” of housing for people who live and work in
Vancouver.
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1402-1460-burrard-st/application-booklet.pdf
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So I understand that these are City built and retained? They're getting a GC and loans?
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So I understand that these are City built and retained? They're getting a GC and loans?
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Development contributions
• Empty Homes Tax
• Property taxes
• Senior government funding
• Partner funding
• Project income
$1.7 billion in January 2024

https://council.vancouver.ca/20240123/documents/r1.pdf
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I think the $1.7bn is the value of the City's portfolio of Non-market housing. These are proposed as market housing, so (like 1 Kingsway, the market rental housing building the City developed over the Mount Pleasant Community Centre and library in 2010, or the building they recently bought on Main) these would be part of the $5.7bn Property Endowment Fund.

Presumably it would be developed like any of the City / BC Housing non-market buildings, using a GC. I would guess the cost should be under $1bn, as it's a little under a million sq ft. I assume the rental towers to be developed on the Granville Loops will similarly be part of the PEF.
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Right. VHDO manages the VAHEF portfolio but these projects are outside of that.

"Rental Housing on City-Owned Land – Public Benefits
Pilot Rezoning Policy" from June 2024

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This policy applies to up to five development proposals through the Vancouver Housing Development Office (VHDO) which include residential rental units on City-owned land. All applications will undergo a full rezoning process including public hearing.

The City will continue to deliver affordable housing in partnership with senior governments and other partners through sites held in VAHEF. As there are existing policies that enable flexibility for social housing projects, VAHEF sites will not be subject to this policy.
https://guidelines.vancouver.ca/policy-rezoning-rental-city-owned-public-benefits.pdf
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I reviewed the application booklet for Pacific & Hornby and can say this is a really strong application, from a design, amenities and public realm perspective. Great activation at street level, refined architectural language and materials and creative approach at managing the grade on the site.

It's exciting when a proposed development has a strong focus on place-making, as it will be a vast improvement to the site's existing condition.
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So Holborn have ownd the building for 20 years (?), failed to submit a development proposal, and allowed the building to deteriorate to the point that it has to be demolished. They had residential density on the site related to the potential heritage restoration (ex SRO) so they now forfeit that.
Yes, that's how it works. The land is WAY more valuable than the building, but the status of the building prevents redevelopment and the building is far too small and old to ever turn a notable profit with so you board it up, maintain security and let nature do the rest. Because I doubt anyone has ever wondered if that building was on the register, there was no push to deal with it being essentially left to rot until it was too late and "oops, oh well. Guess we'll have to demolish it and build something new there! :^) "
At least New York in the 70's had the modesty of developers torching the blocks to justify redevelopment.
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Yes, that's how it works. The land is WAY more valuable than the building, but the status of the building prevents redevelopment and the building is far too small and old to ever turn a notable profit with so you board it up, maintain security and let nature do the rest. Because I doubt anyone has ever wondered if that building was on the register, there was no push to deal with it being essentially left to rot until it was too late and "oops, oh well. Guess we'll have to demolish it and build something new there! :^) "
At least New York in the 70's had the modesty of developers torching the blocks to justify redevelopment.
Generally, that's not how it works in Vancouver. Most developers and building owners are responsible, and willing to incorporate heritage elements. It's relatively rare for owners like Holborn or the Sahotas to allow a building to deteriorate to the point that it's unsafe.

This building was part of almost the entire city block owned for redevelopment, so it's size isn't relevant. The facades could have been incorporated into a larger development, Westbank just retained the Stanley and New Fountain hotel frontages. Reliance are adding new floors above a Beatty Street warehouse. Amacon saved three walls of the Northern Telecom / Catholic Charities building on Robson, that will be a hotel podium under a condo tower. There are plenty of others planned - a hotel and a rental building on West Pender, another rental building on West Hastings.
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