O-Train Line 1/3 [ Stage 2 | East Extension | Blair to Trim] | U/C

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by Richard Eade

Interesting video, Thanks, Shane.

So, 80 k/h is the maximum that these trains will be allowed to go? No wonder the simulated vehicles on the OR174 were passing. That doesn’t seem like a good incentive to switch to the train.

Wasn’t the specification supposed to be min. 100 k/h when the planning started? (The Talent had a top speed of 120 k/h – or 140 k/h, according to Wikipedia.)

lol, don't forget about 10km/hr once you've reached St Laurent and then all the way thru to Lees, then again at Rideau. Buddy was riding his bike faster than the train... When will THOSE speeds be increased again? While I'm on it, what was the originally specified end-to-end travel time for the full length?

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

lol, don't forget about 10km/hr once you've reached St Laurent and then all the way thru to Lees, then again at Rideau. Buddy was riding his bike faster than the train... When will THOSE speeds be increased again? While I'm on it, what was the originally specified end-to-end travel time for the full length?

Given the current situation, can the city afford to make the necessary repairs or tolerate the required closure of line 1 to implement the repairs?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

lol, don't forget about 10km/hr once you've reached St Laurent and then all the way thru to Lees, then again at Rideau. Buddy was riding his bike faster than the train... When will THOSE speeds be increased again? While I'm on it, what was the originally specified end-to-end travel time for the full length?

End to end of Stage 1 Confed was 22 or 23 minutes when it opened. More like 30 minutes today. If they cut the freakin' dwell times to something reasonable, it would make a huge difference.

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

End to end of Stage 1 Confed was 22 or 23 minutes when it opened. More like 30 minutes today. If they cut the freakin' dwell times to something reasonable, it would make a huge difference.

bUt wHaT aBoUt ThE dOorS??

[sseguin]

Tracking the Progress: Ottawa’s O-Train Stage 2 Eastern Extension - August 2024
Take a closer look at the ongoing construction of the O-Train Stage 2 East Extension, stretching from Blair to Trim in Orleans. We’ll show you the latest progress, including station updates, track work, and what’s coming next for this critical LRT expansion.

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[sseguin]

Eastern Connection: O-Train Line 1 Integration Testing on the Eastern Extension

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On October 5, 2024, in coordination with a closure of the Confederation Line, East West Connectors advanced integration testing for the eastern extension of Line 1. Throughout the day, numerous Alstom Citadis Spirit trainsets operated between Tunney’s Pasture and Trim Station, running every few minutes at near-service speeds. The extension's infrastructure underwent rigorous trials to synchronize its systems with those of the existing Confederation Line. The testing included coordination of the Communications-Based Train Control (CBTC) system, system upgrades, and operator trials to ensure smooth integration across the expanded network.

According to OC Transpo, the maintainer successfully completed the planned train control system testing and upgrades, thanking customers for their patience during the temporary service disruption.

This event marks a major milestone in the project, transitioning to more advanced testing to validate signalling, power systems, and station readiness for revenue service. Over the coming months, additional testing and commissioning will continue ahead of the targeted opening in Spring 2025, when this extension will provide a vital transit link to Ottawa's eastern communities.

[SL123]

^ Really fun to see trains run all the way to Trim. Thanks for the video!!

[rocketphish]

LRT emergency exercise planned for Saturday in Ottawa's east end

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 31, 2024 • Last updated 2 minutes ago • 1 minute read

People in Ottawa’s east end will see a lot of red flashing lights along the Confederation Line on Saturday as the city practises responding to an emergency on the LRT Line 1 east extension.

The training exercise will run from 6 a.m. to 1 p.m. on Nov. 2 along the westbound lanes of Regional Road 174 between Blair Road and Montreal Road interchanges. Travellers can expect to see buses and emergency vehicles staged along the highway approaching the Blair Road off ramp. Westbound traffic will be reduced to one lane during the exercise, which will take place at the flyover where the LRT track crosses over the highway and onto the median.

OC Transpo staff, Ottawa police, paramedics, firefighters and others will be involved in the exercise. The city is advising drivers to give themselves extra time if travelling through the area.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...planned-for-saturday-in-ottawas-east-end

[kmcamp]

So buried in the news about the Trillium line finally (maybe) getting a date is the news the Eastern section has been pushed out to fall, which given OC Transpo's communication record really means 2026

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/next-big-test-for-the-lrt-south-extension-taking-place-saturday-1.7128387

[lrt's friend]

I saw a similar emergency exercise near the LRT overpass adjacent to Gloucester High School about a month ago.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

So buried in the news about the Trillium line finally (maybe) getting a date is the news the Eastern section has been pushed out to fall, which given OC Transpo's communication record really means 2026

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/next-big-test-for-the-lrt-south-extension-taking-place-saturday-1.7128387

"For now, let's say Q3, Q4, and when we will come back at the beginning of next year, we will have a better view of things," Amilcar said. "We will not provide a firm date because we don't know and we don't want to rush anything."

Isn’t it somebody’s job to always keep track of the state of the project? She is obviously alluding to the opening date being contingent on a milestone in the next few months. You can basically shorten that entire statement to “We don’t want to tell you anything.”

[Admiral Nelson]

Is there any indication of what these new sources of delay are for the eastern extension of Line 1? Wasn't that long ago that it seemed they were only 60(?) days behind schedule.

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

"For now, let's say Q3, Q4, and when we will come back at the beginning of next year, we will have a better view of things," Amilcar said. "We will not provide a firm date because we don't know and we don't want to rush anything."

Isn’t it somebody’s job to always keep track of the state of the project? She is obviously alluding to the opening date being contingent on a milestone in the next few months. You can basically shorten that entire statement to “We don’t want to tell you anything.”

It doesn't necessarily matter what the current state of progress is when there's still a long list of works and testing that have yet to take place. Any of those outstanding works can encounter issues that delay the whole project. It would be foolish to provide a firm date now when there are still many variables that can change the calculus.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

It doesn't necessarily matter what the current state of progress is when there's still a long list of works and testing that have yet to take place. Any of those outstanding works can encounter issues that delay the whole project. It would be foolish to provide a firm date now when there are still many variables that can change the calculus.

Yet those variables were firm enough to change the timeline from spring to fall. Tracking how they communicated line 2 with maybe spring, oh, maybe summer, oh maybe fall, maybe November, etc I'm predicting line 1 East is well into 2026

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Yet those variables were firm enough to change the timeline from spring to fall. Tracking how they communicated line 2 with maybe spring, oh, maybe summer, oh maybe fall, maybe November, etc I'm predicting line 1 East is well into 2026

Yes, they provide target dates based on best case scenarios for outstanding deliverable timelines and push the target back incrementally as dates are ruled out for deliverable completion. That's how things work for big infrastructure projects. I don't see the issue.

Providing a firm date when timelines can easily be impacted due to unforeseen factors would be poor management of public expectation, plain and simple.

[kmcamp]

The issue isn't that they didn't give a firm date, it's that the schedule has slipped by at least another 6 months at best.

Infrastructure project timelines slip of course, but we are regularly seeing timelines extend 50% as a matter of course across the board, and projects are taking much longer to deliver then they did even 20 years ago. There's something fundamentally wrong in the way we're planning these things. We can't just keep accepting massive overruns in the timeline as fine. My personal belief is that it's due to p3 setups. It incentives builders to underbid then allow timelines to go over time to get the money they actually needed in the first place

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

The issue isn't that they didn't give a firm date, it's that the schedule has slipped by at least another 6 months at best.

Infrastructure project timelines slip of course, but we are regularly seeing timelines extend 50% as a matter of course across the board, and projects are taking much longer to deliver then they did even 20 years ago. There's something fundamentally wrong in the way we're planning these things. We can't just keep accepting massive overruns in the timeline as fine. My personal belief is that it's due to p3 setups. It incentives builders to underbid then allow timelines to go over time to get the money they actually needed in the first place

I used to think we should study and then emulate how they manage transit and other public projects in France and Japan.

I now think we should just poach some French and Japanese procurement and planning officials and put them in charge of some things.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I used to think we should study and then emulate how they manage transit and other public projects in France and Japan.

I now think we should just poach some French and Japanese procurement and planning officials and put them in charge of some things.

Probably not because that would involve lots of booze in offices and not asking any questions (wink wink) when executives aren't available on Friday afternoons.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Probably not because that would involve lots of booze in offices and not asking any questions (wink wink) when executives aren't available on Friday afternoons.

Don't threaten me with a good, socially tipsy, fiscally sound good transit time:

https://www.railwaypro.com/wp/rennes-opens-its-second-metro-line/

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Don't threaten me with a good, socially tipsy, fiscally sound good transit time:

https://www.railwaypro.com/wp/rennes-opens-its-second-metro-line/

Those tramway systems in medium-sized French cities are generally awesome: efficient, dependable, aesthetically-pleasing urban insertion, etc.