Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[New Brisavoine]

Senator Lindsey Graham threatening to crush the Canadian economy. You be warned.

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1860153637382815921

These Republicans are frankly despicable. But Biden is no better.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Senator Lindsey Graham threatening to crush the Canadian economy. You be warned.

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1860153637382815921

These Republicans are frankly despicable. But Biden is no better.

Pretty stupid given that Netanyahu will not visit Canada knowing that he'd be arrested if he does. Problem solved.

[AverageMonctonEnjoyr]

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

Oh no worries… I was a little sickened and concerned that my comment was taken out of context, and possibly perceived to be inappropriate, as I would never intend to create an uncomfortable situation for anyone. This is just conversation, and at times we may get in a jab or toss out something provocative, but at least for myself, I do not take this very seriously, and my ultimate goal is to learn more from people with a different life experience than my own, and hopefully share some of my experiences and ideas such that we may understand each other a little better than before. Sometimes we may get caught up in the “debate” aspect a little, but mostly it’s just tossing out ideas and seeing what comes back.

But never do I truly want to offend anybody.

And sorry that I missed the humorous aspect of your comment. I’ll try to pay better attention in the future.

The atmosphere and behaviour which I’m used to within the social media my generation uses isn’t quite as civilized as this forum. No worries man, I replied that out of instinct

[AverageMonctonEnjoyr]

Originally Posted by mousquet

Québécois and French people, be horrified... Aux armes !
The nasty invaders to ruin one's health are here.

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Banned products, illegal items from crappy M&M's and Fanta for sale in the middle of Paris...
This is a disaster. Where are French officials to drive them away? Often, I wonder why we pay so many taxes in this country.

And I always said it, Ferrero and their Kinder brand and Nutella are crap for pigs too.
The fact that it's Italian, from an EU member doesn't matter. It is only disgusting crap.
I don't even know how people eat this.

Hey but at least they banned El- Mordjene!
American processed food is disgusting and is a prime example of evil capitalism. No wonder many American processed foods are banned all over the world. And why people eat them ? Well the sad truth is a lot can’t afford better ( either in money or time ) or are uneducated in matters of nutrition and health. Here in Canada processed foods are slightly better due to regulations but aren’t exactly healthy either.
Heartbreaking that the French shun the best cuisine in the world to eat unhealthy repulsive processed crap.
Please excuse any discrepancies my keybod is tweaking tf out.

[AverageMonctonEnjoyr]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Usually the reaction of (mostly European) SSC forumers when I was a member there was: "France was a bad colonizer, look at all their colonies, they are all shit, Mali, Burkina Faso, Haiti, Lebanon, etc". "But what about Québec?" Answer: "Ah, it's not really French. If they are developed it's due to the British."

Uh, ok...

PS: I always had a perverse joy in pointing out Gambia, South Sudan, Zimbabwe, Guyana (pre-recent oil discoveries), Iraq, etc. Usually the conservation stopped there as they didn't know what to answer.

Haiti would be such a poor example to give as the Haitians slaughtered all the French colonists before they could do anything lol

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by AverageMonctonEnjoyr

Hey but at least they banned El- Mordjene!

That was some fake news that's been debunked. I can't believe this fake news has reached (French) Canadian shores!

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Pretty stupid given that Netanyahu will not visit Canada knowing that he'd be arrested if he does. Problem solved.

Doesn't matter. This is a DEFCON 1 moment for the Americans. The ICC pursuing questionable charges against the government of an American ally that hasn't even joined the ICC by asserting its right to jurisdiction over a non-member is a serious red line against the USA and its interests. Republican or Democrat - it doesn't matter. The USA will not allow for it.

The Americans are going to do everything in their power now to crush the kangeroo court. They were already very negative about in the first place (hence the Hague Invasion Act) and this just seals the deal.

Joly literally bloviated about "international law blah blah ICC great blah blah" on the same day she was scheduled to meet with Senator Graham. Talk about a complete failure to read the damn room. We need to replace this government ASAP, they clearly do not understand the importance of working with the Americans.

As for Netanyahu visiting Canada - there is no universe where Canada would actually enforce the warrant, regardless of what JT says. Can you imagine the American reaction? Especially if Trump was President? He'd probably get American paratroopers to storm whatever facility we tried to hold Netanyahu in to set him free. The President already has standing authorization from Congress to use the military in this way.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Doesn't matter. This is a DEFCON 1 moment for the Americans. The ICC pursuing questionable charges against the government of an American ally that hasn't even joined the ICC by asserting its right to jurisdiction over a non-member is a serious red line against the USA and its interests. Republican or Democrat - it doesn't matter. The USA will not allow for it.

The Americans are going to do everything in their power now to crush the kangeroo court. They were already very negative about in the first place (hence the Hague Invasion Act) and this just seals the deal.

Joly literally bloviated about "international law blah blah ICC great blah blah" on the same day she was scheduled to meet with Senator Graham. Talk about a complete failure to read the damn room. We need to replace this government ASAP, they clearly do not understand the importance of working with the Americans.

As for Netanyahu visiting Canada - there is no universe where Canada would actually enforce the warrant, regardless of what JT says. Can you imagine the American reaction? Especially if Trump was President? He'd probably get American paratroopers to storm whatever facility we tried to hold Netanyahu in to set him free. The President already has standing authorization from Congress to use the military in this way.

America and Israel are increasingly isolated in this genocide. The American military impenetrably defends their mutually shared ignorance, yes, and that is the crux of the problem. Clearly, some still think that might really does make right.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Doesn't matter. This is a DEFCON 1 moment for the Americans. The ICC pursuing questionable charges against the government of an American ally that hasn't even joined the ICC by asserting its right to jurisdiction over a non-member is a serious red line against the USA and its interests. Republican or Democrat - it doesn't matter. The USA will not allow for it.

The ICC has jurisdiction over nationals of countries not member of the ICC when those crimes are committed in the territory of a country member of the ICC. That's in its charter. The alleged crimes were committed in the State of Palestine, which is a member state of the ICC, so any crime (within the jurisdiction of the ICC) which are committed by the nationals of any country (member or not member) inside the State of Palestine can be investigated by the ICC.

If Justin Trudeau (and Macron) doesn't enforce the ICC mandates, then it's the end of international criminal law (by those who most claim to desire a rules-based international order...).

The attitude of the US is that of a despicable bully. I hope Macron won't cave in.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

America and Israel are increasingly isolated in this genocide. The American military impenetrably defends their mutually shared ignorance, yes, and that is the crux of the problem. Clearly, some still think that might really does make right.

What's the most puzzling is how American authorities put the interests of a FOREIGN country above the interests of the American people. Even more puzzling that those supposedly the most "patriotic" are those who will most put the interests of the said foreign country above the interests of the American people. Normally this is called treason.

The brainwashing that has been going on in US right-wing circles is just phenomenal. I guess it's a way to compensate for having done nothing to stop the genocide of the Jews during WW2, or something like that, but it's nonetheless very bizarre. Imagine the prime minister of Canada putting the interests of the UK above those of Canada, willing to damage Canada, its reputation, its security, to defend even a far-right British government committing war crimes in, say, Northern Ireland...

[Acajack]

I greatly value the importance of international law but at this point I question whether the ICC and other international institutions still have credibility.

[New Brisavoine]

Based on what? They've charged Putin, not they charge Netanyahu. Those who criticize in general are not legal experts and make only ideological or misinformed comments.

You should read today's editorial the Guardian. It's very well explained and worded: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...-gaza-israel-icc-arrest-warrants-justice

[Acajack]

I am not a fan of Bibi at all, but international order cannot be maintained if country leaders cannot carry out wars of containment, neutralization, rescue operations for citizens or even retaliation against those who attacked them..

Especially not when the other side doesn't give a shit about the ICC and their warrants.

Would the ICC have issued a warrant for Churchill, Roosevelt, Truman, etc., as war criminals?

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I am not a fan of Bibi at all, but international order cannot be maintained if country leaders cannot carry out wars of containment, neutralization, rescue operations for citizens or even retaliation against those who attacked them..

That's not what the ICC indictment is about. Self-defense cannot entail war crimes. Countries are allowed to defend themselves, but they must not commit either war crimes or crimes against humanity, which is what the indictment is about.

For the same reason, you cannot wantonly kill a burglar entering your house. Killing in self-defense is strictly limited.

I'm amazed such basics of law have to be restated...

[Acajack]

This is probably the worst topic to derail a thread with, but yes I understand the principles of law. I will stop there.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I am not a fan of Bibi at all, but international order cannot be maintained if country leaders cannot carry out wars of containment, neutralization, rescue operations for citizens or even retaliation against those who attacked them..

Especially not when the other side doesn't give a shit about the ICC and their warrants.

Would the ICC have issued a warrant for Churchill, Roosevelt, Truman, etc., as war criminals?

There was no ICC when Churchill, Roosevelt, Truman were active. It does seem like overreach, but is the alternative to accept that sitting leaders are immune from prosecution for alleged war crimes?

[OldDartmouthMark]

I’m a bit late to the ICC thing, but did the ICC issue warrants for the Hamas leaders directly after the October 7 attacks and hostage taking? How about the ‘river to the sea’ call for genocide? Is that still overlooked as harmless banter, or “that’s not what it really means”?

If the situation were reversed, where Hamas/Gaza was far more powerful than Israel, and was highly successful in inflicting damage to Israel, would the ICC be as engaged? I don’t have the answers to that, but I have suspicions.

To link this to the thread topic, there was a violent pro-Palestine protest in Montreal this weekend…. Normally I wouldn’t even be talking about this, but they have brought a version of their conflict to our country, so now I consider it to be our business as well.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

America and Israel are increasingly isolated in this genocide. The American military impenetrably defends their mutually shared ignorance, yes, and that is the crux of the problem. Clearly, some still think that might really does make right.

Might does make right. It always has, and it always will. That's just how the world works. The "rules based international order" that the liberals salivate over is really just extended victor's justice from WWII.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

What's the most puzzling is how American authorities put the interests of a FOREIGN country above the interests of the American people. Even more puzzling that those supposedly the most "patriotic" are those who will most put the interests of the said foreign country above the interests of the American people. Normally this is called treason.

The brainwashing that has been going on in US right-wing circles is just phenomenal. I guess it's a way to compensate for having done nothing to stop the genocide of the Jews during WW2, or something like that, but it's nonetheless very bizarre. Imagine the prime minister of Canada putting the interests of the UK above those of Canada, willing to damage Canada, its reputation, its security, to defend even a far-right British government committing war crimes in, say, Northern Ireland...

It's not about Israel at this point. It's about America. The precedent that the ICC is trying to establish here could absolutely put American citizens in the line of fire someday. Hence the strength of the coming American response.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

The ICC has jurisdiction over nationals of countries not member of the ICC when those crimes are committed in the territory of a country member of the ICC. That's in its charter. The alleged crimes were committed in the State of Palestine, which is a member state of the ICC, so any crime (within the jurisdiction of the ICC) which are committed by the nationals of any country (member or not member) inside the State of Palestine can be investigated by the ICC.

If Justin Trudeau (and Macron) doesn't enforce the ICC mandates, then it's the end of international criminal law (by those who most claim to desire a rules-based international order...).

The attitude of the US is that of a despicable bully. I hope Macron won't cave in.

It remains a non-issue as long as Netanyahu doesn't visit France, which I'm assuming he will not.