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Old Posted Nov 20, 2024, 12:12 AM
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Québécois and French people, be horrified... Aux armes !
The nasty invaders to ruin one's health are here.

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Banned products, illegal items from crappy M&M's and Fanta for sale in the middle of Paris...
This is a disaster. Where are French officials to drive them away? Often, I wonder why we pay so many taxes in this country.

And I always said it, Ferrero and their Kinder brand and Nutella are crap for pigs too.
The fact that it's Italian, from an EU member doesn't matter. It is only disgusting crap.
I don't even know how people eat this.
     
     
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Québécois and French people, be horrified... Aux armes !
The nasty invaders to ruin one's health are here.

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Banned products, illegal items from crappy M&M's and Fanta for sale in the middle of Paris...
This is a disaster. Where are French officials to drive them away? Often, I wonder why we pay so many taxes in this country.

And I always said it, Ferrero and their Kinder brand and Nutella are crap for pigs too.
The fact that it's Italian, from an EU member doesn't matter. It is only disgusting crap.
I don't even know how people eat this.
Follow the money. How a product containing banned food dye could be sold in a public shop can only mean money changed hands somewhere along the line.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2024, 1:59 AM
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It would have been highly unusual to put the capital of Canada outside of Canada.
The governor general of British North America, who had oversight over Lower Canada, Upper Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, was established in Québec City, not Halifax. See for instance the governor general of British North America in 1816 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coape_Sherbrooke#British_North_America

The fact that it was Québec City that was chosen and not Halifax is quite telling. The British themselves saw Nova Scotia and New Brunswick as rather peripheral.
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The governor general of British North America, who had oversight over Lower Canada, Upper Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, was established in Québec City, not Halifax. See for instance the governor general of British North America in 1816 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coape_Sherbrooke#British_North_America

The fact that it was Québec City that was chosen and not Halifax is quite telling. The British themselves saw Nova Scotia and New Brunswick as rather peripheral.
Lower Canada was certainly the bulk of the population with maybe equalish east and west of that so Quebec City was the natural capital. Not sure that makes Halifax peripheral anymore than York was.
     
     
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The governor general of British North America, who had oversight over Lower Canada, Upper Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, was established in Québec City, not Halifax. See for instance the governor general of British North America in 1816 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coape_Sherbrooke#British_North_America

The fact that it was Québec City that was chosen and not Halifax is quite telling. The British themselves saw Nova Scotia and New Brunswick as rather peripheral.
Quebec City was more geographically central, which would make for a more logical choice, however your assertion that NS and NB were considered peripheral isn't supported by the very wikipedia article that you posted. Read it again and see how much military and economic activity he was involved in while in Halifax. Jeepers, you'll twist anything to prove your point.
     
     
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Québécois and French people, be horrified... Aux armes !
The nasty invaders to ruin one's health are here.

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Banned products, illegal items from crappy M&M's and Fanta for sale in the middle of Paris...
This is a disaster. Where are French officials to drive them away? Often, I wonder why we pay so many taxes in this country.

And I always said it, Ferrero and their Kinder brand and Nutella are crap for pigs too.
The fact that it's Italian, from an EU member doesn't matter. It is only disgusting crap.
I don't even know how people eat this.
Why aren’t ham, cheese and wine banned too? All those are linked to cancer. And food colouring won’t give your baby deformities but wine will…
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2024, 1:49 PM
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It sounds like you are changing your argument a little. I think this conversation started back on page 551, with this exchange:
Respectfully, I don't believe so.

At the time of Confederation, Ontario + Quebec had around 82% of Canada's population. Nova Scotia + New Brunswick had around 18%.
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Why aren’t ham, cheese and wine banned too? All those are linked to cancer. And food colouring won’t give your baby deformities but wine will…
Those aren't essential parts of the culture. You could actually argue the dyes and flavour enhancers are essential to US culture though I don't notice much difference in most of the products. Chewing gum seems one area but maybe that is a difference in palates. EU gum tastes bland and loses it's flavour in a few minutes.
     
     
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Quebec City was more geographically central, which would make for a more logical choice
Which was... exactly our point. "Periphéral", "outlying" territory. Certainly not the "center" of British North America and later Canada. Neither in terms of geography, nor in terms of population, nor even in terms of economy (even in the late 18th century the economy of Québec was larger than Nova Scotia).

The population of Nova Scotia + New Brunswick + Prince Edward Island in 1800 was 87,000, whereas the population of Québec alone was 225,000 (and Québec + Upper Canada was 275,000), as per Statcan. So obviously, even if Nova Scotia's GDP per capita had been higher than Québec, the largest economy by far would nonetheless have been Québec.
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This thread is making me ask myself "What lure is causing the global dominance of American 'Culture'?" Everybody (myself included) complain about it, but consume it nonetheless. There's a shred of hypocrisy about it that I'm not comfortable with, haha. Fast food, snacks, music, movies... why do we all love to consume them, even if we don't "love" them? Because they are there? Because they are cheap? Because they "taste good"? Is that enough to create a global brand that doesn't really even have to be "pushed"?
     
     
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This thread is making me ask myself "What lure is causing the global dominance of American 'Culture'?" Everybody (myself included) complain about it, but consume it nonetheless. There's a shred of hypocrisy about it that I'm not comfortable with, haha. Fast food, snacks, music, movies... why do we all love to consume them, even if we don't "love" them? Because they are there? Because they are cheap? Because they "taste good"? Is that enough to create a global brand that doesn't really even have to be "pushed"?
I think perhaps more than any other culture in history, American culture in all its manifestations tends to deliberately appeal to that which humans find naturally alluring.

I mean, they are the ones who took culture and turned it into a consumer product like it had never really been before.

And there has always been a bit of science associated with this - either psychological or even purely chemical.

Just think of how pharmacist John Pemberton's original recipe for Coca-Cola literally had elements of cocaine in it.
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American culture is a manifestation of the American Dream. Everybody wants it.
     
     
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This thread is making me ask myself "What lure is causing the global dominance of American 'Culture'?" Everybody (myself included) complain about it, but consume it nonetheless. There's a shred of hypocrisy about it that I'm not comfortable with, haha. Fast food, snacks, music, movies... why do we all love to consume them, even if we don't "love" them? Because they are there? Because they are cheap? Because they "taste good"? Is that enough to create a global brand that doesn't really even have to be "pushed"?
Great question!

My theory (and it's not really mine) is that Americans know how to take someone else's culture and scale it up.

I don't think it's allure (that sounds like Italy)
I don't think it's taking someone else's culture and relentlessly trying to perfect it (that sounds like Japan)

It's taking something, making compromises around it to make it a viable business model and then producing it at scale.

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Ontario and Quebec were certainly much more developed than the Maritimes both economically and demographically for most of Canada's history. Pre- and post-Confederation.


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Respectfully, I don't believe so.

At the time of Confederation, Ontario + Quebec had around 82% of Canada's population. Nova Scotia + New Brunswick had around 18%.
My mistake, as it originally sounded as though you were agreeing with the other two who suggested that Halifax was way behind in development, but all you were really talking about was population, not actual degree of development (i.e. the built form, politics, public discourse, industry and trade, military involvement, etc.).

Presumably, you meant size of population instead of demographics, and you meant size of economy (i.e. total amount of monetary units being moved) vs degree of development and complexity of the economy. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Anyhow, my original statement was just that the Maritimes were considered to be 'significant players' both nationally and internationally in the mid 1800s... then the conversation turned into a size competition.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2024, 5:10 PM
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Which was... exactly our point. "Periphéral", "outlying" territory. Certainly not the "center" of British North America and later Canada. Neither in terms of geography, nor in terms of population, nor even in terms of economy (even in the late 18th century the economy of Québec was larger than Nova Scotia).

The population of Nova Scotia + New Brunswick + Prince Edward Island in 1800 was 87,000, whereas the population of Québec alone was 225,000 (and Québec + Upper Canada was 275,000), as per Statcan. So obviously, even if Nova Scotia's GDP per capita had been higher than Québec, the largest economy by far would nonetheless have been Québec.
See my response to Acajack above. I was talking about degree of development, whereas you are talking about geography and size. Nova Scotia will always be small in size (i.e. it's almost an island), but that doesn't mean it was insignificant (my interpretation of your "peripheral" claim).

So, the takeaway is that bigger is better, and therefore by that logic the USA is better than both Quebec and France combined! (and Canada too)

Just being funny here, and though your logic seems a little questionable, I will agree that Quebec and Ontario (or Upper and Lower Canada, or the Province of Canada) have always been bigger than the Maritime Provinces. It's a fact.
     
     
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My mistake, as it originally sounded as though you were agreeing with the other two who suggested that Halifax was way behind in development, but all you were really talking about was population, not actual degree of development (i.e. the built form, politics, public discourse, industry and trade, military involvement, etc.).

Presumably, you meant size of population instead of demographics, and you meant size of economy (i.e. total amount of monetary units being moved) vs degree of development and complexity of the economy. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Anyhow, my original statement was just that the Maritimes were considered to be 'significant players' both nationally and internationally in the mid 1800s... then the conversation turned into a size competition.
No worries. And I think most people who are paying attention know that I am always a pretty good defender of the Maritimes on here.
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So, the takeaway is that bigger is better, and therefore by that logic the USA is better than both Quebec and France combined! (and Canada too)

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Was there ever any doubt?
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This thread is making me ask myself "What lure is causing the global dominance of American 'Culture'?" Everybody (myself included) complain about it, but consume it nonetheless. There's a shred of hypocrisy about it that I'm not comfortable with, haha. Fast food, snacks, music, movies... why do we all love to consume them, even if we don't "love" them? Because they are there? Because they are cheap? Because they "taste good"? Is that enough to create a global brand that doesn't really even have to be "pushed"?
I suspect it is a human thing more than a national identity thing. For example, humans have long been programmed to eat fat and sugar, as in times of food scarcity, these things give us energy and allow us to survive until more nutritious food is available. It's in our DNA, regardless of how we might want to deny it.

American culture? It's there, in our faces, and in a language that most of us can understand. I would suggest that as 'not Americans' we don't even completely consume their culture the same way they do, but a lot of entertainment is centred around things that are basic to the human experience... i.e. sex, love, conflict, emotions, social interactions, etc. Everybody can relate to them, and the American aspect of them is more just a superficial thing than anything else.

Proximity is always a factor, but also the amount of money put into the promotion and development of such products (apparently size is everything... haha). Additionally, my opinion is that not everybody thinks in terms of allegiance to a particular nation when they are consuming food or 'cutlure'. Those ideals are heightened to the extreme in this thread, IMHO, but I suspect that many people don't even care about it (which is why many participants in this thread are very concerned about the future of francophone Quebec culture and language).

One thing I have always thought of as being curious is how Japanese adopted American culture on a superficial level, even though most whom I have known are extremely proud of their nationality and their culture. Yet, when I was over there, I saw cars driving around with 'english' slogans on them that didn't quite make sense to a speaker of the language, but the 'image' was present. There was also Christmas decorations and music in malls, even though the majority of the population is Buddhist (it was explained to me that they adopted the superficial "Santa Claus" aspect of Christmas, and not the religious aspect... upon reflection perhaps not that different from the US and Canada). Etc., etc. It's almost like a part of the population (mostly younger people) thought that the image of the US was "cool", even though they still were proudly Japanese. That's just my personal experience... YYMV.
     
     
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No worries. And I think most people who are paying attention know that I am always a pretty good defender of the Maritimes on here.
Yes, and to be clear, my comments were replies to other posters. Your replies are always well thought out and balanced, IMHO. Even if I don't always agree...
     
     
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Apparently not!
     
     
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