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craigs · #**15881** Posted **Oct 26, 2024, 10:42 PM**

Not a great pic but it really shows the impact Olympic + Hill makes on the skyline.

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LAisthePlace · #**15882** Posted **Oct 27, 2024, 2:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

Not a great pic but it really shows the impact Olympic + Hill makes on the skyline.

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Wow! What a nice bookend (for now). Love the silhouette. Eager to see if they light up the crown once it is finished up.

scania · #**15883** Posted **Oct 27, 2024, 3:54 AM**

I’m almost sure it is!!!

craigs · #**15884** Posted **Oct 27, 2024, 4:24 PM**

I don't remember if the Olympic + Hill renderings included lighting, but I know Onni's existing Hope + Flower towers and 820 Olive (aka 825 South Hill) have lighting elements, especially the latter.

scania · #**15885** Posted **Oct 27, 2024, 11:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

I don't remember if the Olympic + Hill renderings included lighting, but I know Onni's existing Hope + Flower towers and 820 Olive (aka 825 South Hill) have lighting elements, especially the latter.

Yes it’s lit in the renderings…I just can’t find the picture.

craigs · #**15886** Posted **Oct 28, 2024, 2:41 PM**

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Yes it’s lit in the renderings…I just can’t find the picture.

I can't find any night-time renderings of the newer iteration of the project. The initial, taller proposal did have some sort of lighting element. In any case, we will find out soon enough.

caligrad · #**15887** Posted **Oct 29, 2024, 12:07 AM**

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realesta...d=f775541dd85d42a88b9e948a9374a120&ei=12

LA needs something like this. "The Mayor of Seattle just passed legislation, allowing for developers who are building dense housing, lodging, research and developments downtown to bypass the cities lengthy 3 years design review process, saving developers millions in fees and etc."

I'm not pro ditching design reviews totally since we'll end up with 20 story podiums with 5 floors of condos on top (I'm being sarcastic.... but am I?), however, since we're in a housing crisis that the governor and mayor keep harping about, ditching some of the red tape that they themselves put into place would fix that.

Repealing the mansion tax that has already shown to actually have caused the reverse to happen would also help. Before it was put into place, it seems downtown was getting on average 5 new proposals a year. It seems now we're averaging 0-2.

Prime example. 8th and hope was proposed WAAAAAAAY back in early 2017 and still hasn't broken ground yet. The approval process shouldnt be longer than 3 years. 2-3 years is good enough.

craigs · #**15888** Posted **Oct 29, 2024, 12:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by caligrad

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realesta...d=f775541dd85d42a88b9e948a9374a120&ei=12

LA needs something like this. "The Mayor of Seattle just passed legislation, allowing for developers who are building dense housing developments to bypass the cities lengthy 3 years design review, saving developers millions in fees and etc."

I'm not pro ditching design reviews altogether since we'll end up with 20 story podiums with 5 floors of condos on top (I'm being sarcastic.... but am i?), since we're in a housing crisis that the governor and mayor keep harping about, wouldn't ditching some of the lengthy approval processing they themselves put into place fix that? and repealing the mansion tax that has already shown to actually have caused the reverse to happen? a denser population downtown means more tax revenue for the city. I remember she said she wanted to cut some red tape to help streamline development but we're now going on year 3.

The article says the change will reduce the planning and design process by six to nine months. That's smart. The city also previously streamlined its EIR process, which is also smart (IIRC, Newsom already did that for CA cities). Anything that can reduce red tape and associated delays is a good idea. I'd love to see similar streamlining here, and there's no reason not to do it.

scania · #**15889** Posted **Oct 29, 2024, 12:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by caligrad

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realesta...d=f775541dd85d42a88b9e948a9374a120&ei=12

Prime example. 8th and hope was proposed WAAAAAAAY back in early 2017 and still hasn't broken ground yet. The approval process shouldnt be longer than 3 years. 2-3 years is good enough.

What’s 8th and Hope?

colemonkee · #**15890** Posted **Oct 29, 2024, 3:32 AM**

I gather it's the Mitsui Fudosan proposal at 8th and Grand (that spans 8th Street between Grand and Hope).

https://la.urbanize.city/post/mitsui-fud...al-50-story-dtla-tower-754-s-hope-street

scania · #**15891** Posted **Oct 29, 2024, 3:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by colemonkee

I gather it's the Mitsui Fudosan proposal at 8th and Grand (that spans 8th Street between Grand and Hope).

https://la.urbanize.city/post/mitsui-fud...al-50-story-dtla-tower-754-s-hope-street

They really just finished the tower at 8th and Fig. I wouldn’t think it would’ve started this year.

caligrad · #**15892** Posted **Oct 30, 2024, 12:20 AM**

^^^ I wasn't expecting it to break ground this year. My point was it shouldn't take nearly 10 years to crawl through the approvals process. Especially when there's a highly publicized and documented housing crisis currently. Especially when other mayors are passing legislation to speed it up a little. The housing being built won't even put a dent into our current demand, barely a scratch.

scania · #**15893** Posted **Oct 30, 2024, 1:12 AM**

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^^^ I wasn't expecting it to break ground this year. My point was it shouldn't take nearly 10 years to crawl through the approvals process. Especially when there's a highly publicized and documented housing crisis currently. Especially when other mayors are passing legislation to speed it up a little. The housing being built won't even put a dent into our current demand, barely a scratch.

Understandable

craigs · #**15894** Posted **Oct 30, 2024, 2:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by colemonkee

I gather it's the Mitsui Fudosan proposal at 8th and Grand (that spans 8th Street between Grand and Hope).

https://la.urbanize.city/post/mitsui-fud...al-50-story-dtla-tower-754-s-hope-street

That is one 🞵🞵🞵🞵 proposal. A big part of the delay was due to three appeals by adjacent property owners, btw. It wasn't all the fault of the city. Anyway--YES PLEASE:

Zapatan · #**15895** Posted **Oct 30, 2024, 2:57 AM**

Didn't they clear all the hurdles for that one?

Would love for that to start.

craigs · #**15896** Posted **Oct 30, 2024, 4:06 PM**

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Didn't they clear all the hurdles for that one?

Would love for that to start.

Yes, the last appeal was defeated relatively recently.

caligrad · #**15897** Posted **Oct 30, 2024, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

That is one 🞵🞵🞵🞵 proposal. A big part of the delay was due to three appeals by adjacent property owners, btw. It wasn't all the fault of the city. Anyway--YES PLEASE:

But isn't city legislation the reason why adjacent owners are allowed to appeal?

craigs · #**15898** Posted **Oct 31, 2024, 12:02 AM**

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But isn't city legislation the reason why adjacent owners are allowed to appeal?

The appeals revolved around a supposedly flawed EIR. That's state law.

Anyway, according to Urbanize LA, the city cleared the project in May.

HusBy · #**15899** Posted **Oct 31, 2024, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

The appeals revolved around a supposedly flawed EIR. That's state law.

Anyway, according to Urbanize LA, the city cleared the project in May.

Gahh I love the proposal so much, reminds me of the Park 5th proposal that we lost to the 2008 recession. Pleeease can they start construction on this one.

SoCalKid · #**15900** Posted **Oct 31, 2024, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

The appeals revolved around a supposedly flawed EIR. That's state law.

Anyway, according to Urbanize LA, the city cleared the project in May.

The City could exempt multifamily housing from CEQA by allowing for ministerial/administrative approval rather than discretionary. That would make the approval process way faster and would protect against appeals/challenges by neighbors.