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TrueNorth gonna own the entirety of Winnipeg soon enough.
I might have a problem if it was any other company but they've got a good track record here. It'd be nice to diversify but no one else is willing to invest here. Beggars can't be choosers, especially when you consider that it's in true north's best financial interest to have a safe, vibrant and interesting downtown as possible for their biggest asset to draw on (the Jets).
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Fahri owns all of London. All of it.


he owns half of Windsor, too.
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They've tried just about everything, and multiple renos, but citiplaza mall in downtown London is deader than ever. Incredibly soul-sucking.

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it is unbelievable that the abandoned Honeydale mall is still around:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6310891,..._ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

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This sign is lying:


Happier days for the Honeydale mall: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.631104,-..._ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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They've tried just about everything, and multiple renos, but citiplaza mall in downtown London is deader than ever. Incredibly soul-sucking.

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I had an older cousin in London, taking the bus downtown and seeing the Galleria then was very exciting. It was quite bustling as I recall.
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Many large and medium-sized cities in Canada tried to build their own version of the Eaton's Centre in their quest to bring shoppers back downtown. Alas, aside from the largest cities, many did not work out given parking costs, and a lack of critical mass of local buyers (given that most consumers had also decamped to the suburbs).
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Paid parking is the #1 reason why malls in downtown fail.
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Paid parking is the #1 reason why malls in downtown fail.
I’m guessing that’s when there’s no mass transit.

The Amazing Brentwood in Burnaby is all pay parking now but they have SkyTrain access, and appear to be doing quite well.
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Ontario’s failed downtown malls


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Bayside Mall, formerly the Sarnia Eaton Centre, on a Saturday morning. Most stores are vacant or occupied by non-profits or independent businesses.
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The Toronto Eaton Centre, large, famous, and vital, is only one of many malls built in the downtown cores of Ontario cities between the 1960s and 1990s. From Thunder Bay to Cornwall, the construction of new enclosed shopping centres were seen as a necessary tool to keep the old city centres vibrant and relevant in the face of competition from new suburban malls. But only in the province’s two largest cities did the concept work. Elsewhere, these urban shopping complexes were left largely vacant within ten years of opening, when leases expired. When the Eaton’s department chain went bankrupt in 1997, huge voids were left behind that developers and municipalities struggled to fill.
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In Hamilton, a massive downtown urban renewal project in the 1960s and 1970s saw over a dozen city blocks cleared for new commercial and civic buildings. The centrepiece was Jackson Square, a mall with over 200 stores and services with a rooftop patio. Connected to the mall were the Eaton’s store (later redeveloped as Hamilton Eaton Centre), a new central library, two office towers, a hotel, and a new farmer’s market building. The first phase of Jackson Square opened in 1972.

Kitchener soon followed Hamilton’s example, demolishing its own city hall (the clock tower now stands in Victoria Park) for Market Square, which opened in 1974. Eaton’s moved down the street into the new shopping centre. Sudbury’s City Centre was a similar municipally-backed project to revitalize its downtown core; Eaton’s opened there in 1975.

The pace of downtown mall openings quickened in the late 1970s and 1980s as the provincial government provided assistance through the Ontario Downtown Redevelopment Program. From Thunder Bay to Cornwall, the province backed over a dozen mall developments, and more often than not, Eaton’s was the lead anchor. The smallest downtown mall to open was in Tillsonburg, whose population was only 11,000 in the 1980s. Sears only anchored three downtown malls built in this era, in Chatham, Cornwall, and Kitchener’s King Centre. The last malls to open under this scheme were the London Galleria, which opened in 1989 as a major expansion to Eaton’s Wellington Square (and included a new Bay department store), and Hamilton Eaton Centre, a postmodern atrium connected to Jackson Square that opened in 1990.
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I’m guessing that’s when there’s no mass transit.

The Amazing Brentwood in Burnaby is all pay parking now but they have SkyTrain access, and appear to be doing quite well.
What alternatives does Burnaby have? I'm seriously asking.

The downtown "malls" of the east seemed to have been a last-gasp effort at offering something that people could already find more easily in the suburbs. And as they've died, the unique/quirky street retail has begun to replace what's lost, but the days of having a big anchor store downtown are long gone.
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What alternatives does Burnaby have? I'm seriously asking.
Burnaby has a few malls: Brentwood, Lougheed Town Centre, Metrotown, Crystal Mall. These are all quite close to SkyTrain stations. It's also got a big box strip mall called Market Crossing that's always quite busy, and it's well away from any sort of decent transit.
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Paid parking is the #1 reason why malls in downtown fail.
Spoken like a true Albertan

Downtowns that are not a destination for people is why downtown malls fail. If the downtown is soul-sucking it will quickly suck the soul of the mall with it
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I’m guessing that’s when there’s no mass transit.

The Amazing Brentwood in Burnaby is all pay parking now but they have SkyTrain access, and appear to be doing quite well.
The older portion of Brentwood Mall is pretty dead and might as well be included in this thread, but the new "Amazing Brentwood" extension is more busy. IMO urban malls need groceries, cafes, restaurants, and cool places to congregate in 2024 more than parking. "Amazing Brentwood" at has most of that (sans groceries I think) but no real shopping, whereas the older portion has your typical dead mall fare of retailers (London Drugs, hobby or game stores, as seen on TV, etc). But it's still super new and I don't know how much staying power that food court has. I think they'll need to find a grocery anchor tenant.
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Downtowns that are not a destination for people is why downtown malls fail. If the downtown is soul-sucking it will quickly suck the soul of the mall with it
As a former Calgarian, I am duty-bound to point out that dead downtown malls in Alberta are an Edmonton phenomenon.

Calgary has a number of downtown malls which remain relatively vibrant: the Core, Bankers Hall, and even Dragon City Mall in Chinatown.
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The older portion of Brentwood Mall is pretty dead and might as well be included in this thread, but the new "Amazing Brentwood" extension is more busy. IMO urban malls need groceries, cafes, restaurants, and cool places to congregate in 2024 more than parking. "Amazing Brentwood" at has most of that (sans groceries I think) but no real shopping, whereas the older portion has your typical dead mall fare of retailers (London Drugs, hobby or game stores, as seen on TV, etc). But it's still super new and I don't know how much staying power that food court has. I think they'll need to find a grocery anchor tenant.
That area already has a Whole Foods and a Save-on-Foods just west of Willingdon Ave, so I’m not sure that immediate area could (yet) support a third grocery store. Maybe a Loblaws CityMarket; Loblaw doesn’t have much presence in Burnaby aside from Metrotown.
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Shops at Aura (dead mall in downtown Toronto)

Shops at Aura may need to be a new category as it was never really born to begin with! Been pretty much empty from day 1. Condo retail that's more useful as a spot to park money than actually operate businesses.

That being said there are some decent takeout spots in the "food court", and weirdly enough it's become home to a few hypebeast style clothing retailers and shops selling anime related stuff. So you'll randomly see a huge lineup in the otherwise empty corridors for a drop of some rare merch.
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There's quite a few condo malls that give the impression of successful businesses. Parking money is one thing. A front to launder money is more lucrative. An empty storefront or zero customers is a tough sell for that.
The shops of Aura immediate failure is that it doesn't have any main street retail to lure traffic in.

As for Amazing Brentwood, it's too early to say if it's a success. Malls tend to die when the leases come up for renewal.
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I don't think this downtown mall has been posted before

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