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Old Posted Sep 21, 2024, 2:30 PM
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That's some copaganda. The whole point is to project dominance, intimidate and look down on others.
Isn't that the whole point of effective crime deterrence?
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I heard something about this topic in general recently on the radio (but I've forgotten exactly which program it was). Apparently mounted police are less intimidating to the public because people view the horses as being very approachable.
It's more the opposite. People are rightly afraid of horses but won't hurt them. That's crowd control. In this case it makes them more visible. Which is good though I suspect they want to avoid accidently seeing things that would force them to respond. Same way the cop shop is in Rideau Centre. Can't have people with needles in the arms in front of either.
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Homelessness and open drug use in downtown Ottawa bring a national crisis to Parliament’s doorstep
Canada’s capital is not immune to the problems of inequality and housing that many other cities face – but it faces uniquely thorny questions about how to fix things, and at whose expense

Ian Bailey, The Globe and Mail
Published September 20, 2024




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[...]a man sits in a tent on the Bank Street sidewalk beside the Bank of Canada museum, across the street from the venerable Confederation Building that houses the offices of cabinet ministers and MPs.
Next time my friends come to Ottawa, I'll tell them don't waste money on a hotel, just setup your tent on Bank Street.
Stay there from Canada Day to Labour Day, look at the fireworks, pee everywhere, enjoy the good life!
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[B]Police to patrol ByWard Market on horseback
Mounted officers the latest attempt to address crime and safety in the downtown neighbourhood
I mean, if this is what it takes to pedestrianize the market...
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A little off topic, but this Ideas podcast is a really interesting listen: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/horse...gard-1.7314713

As a non-horse lover I still enjoyed it and there is a section where they talk about police using horses for crowd control and why it works so well. Essentially talked about the intimidation factor but also that people (most of them) don't want to hurt an innocent horse.....while many have no problem throwing a rock etc. at an officer
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Key word, crowd control. Pointless to have them to patrol the market. We need boots ON the ground, or cycling. Not really sure how having dudes on a horse will help. Can they even come down and deal with a situation, leave the horses alone.

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In response, Stubbs acknowledged the Ottawa Police Service (OPS) is struggling to meet demands with its limited resources, but said he had a plan to improve the situation.
If you have limited resources, don't spend them on horses that need to be housed, fed and cleaned after.

We did this in the early 90s. Didn't last long because horses are expensive.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2024, 11:52 PM
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Officers on horseback will be used for crowd control, missing person searches, police chief says
"They are definitely going to be deployed when needed. Not for every protest, but when needed."

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published Sep 23, 2024 • Last updated 1 hour ago • 1 minute read


Ottawa police Chief Eric Stubbs said officers on horseback will be used to control demonstrations and to help search for missing people in the city’s vast parkland and rural areas.

Stubbs announced plans for the new mounted unit last week and elaborated while speaking to reporters before Monday’s Ottawa Police Services Board meeting.

“Obviously a mounted unit is very useful when it comes to major events, when it comes to protests,” Stubbs said. “There are a number of police agencies in Canada that have them and they’re very beneficial in managing a lot of protests. They are definitely going to be deployed when needed. Not for every protest, but when needed.”

A troop of eight mounted officers from Toronto were in Ottawa in February 2022 when police moved in to end the three-week occupation of the downtown core. The mounted unit was deployed twice to clear space between the police line and demonstrators.

Mounted units have also proved their worth patrolling rural or forested areas, particularly in searches, Stubbs said.

“They’re very helpful. As you know, we have lots of large parks, a (large) rural area and a number of missing people. A mounted unit can get around a lot quicker and a lot easier, and with their height have the potential to see missing people.”

The mounted unit would also be used for proactive patrols, he said. “It’s not just for the the ByWard Market. You’ll see this mounted unit on Wellington, on Sparks, in different parts of the city — and in the ByWard Market as well.”

Stubbs did not say how much it will cost for the mounted unit, which is expected to be on patrol next year.

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It's kind of brilliant. People on drugs might see horses as unicorns, or something.
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It's kind of brilliant. People on drugs might see horses as unicorns, or something.
Or the three horseman of the apocalypse. Depends on the drug.
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Missing person searches? Those horses bread with blood hounds?
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Missing person searches? Those horses bread with blood hounds?
The horse rider is up high and can cover a lot of ground.
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ByWard Market hopes to boost attendance with new winter market, possible synthetic rink
Exactly where in the market such a rink would be located hasn’t been determined yet, although the pedestrianized portion of William Street between George and York streets might be a natural fit

Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 14, 2024 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 5 minute read


As the ByWard Market looks to revitalize itself as a year-round go-to destination for residents and visitors alike, officials are looking into purchasing and installing a synthetic outdoor skating rink there.

Zachary Dayler, executive director of the ByWard Market District Authority (BMDA) that oversees development in the area, says his organization is looking into purchasing a 90-by-20-foot synthetic pad, which, before adding in such expenses as lighting, insurance, security and fencing, etc., would cost between $40,000 and $50,000.

Dayler adds that the plan is in its early stages yet and the timeline is far from firm.

“It’s something that we’re eyeing for between 2024 and 2026. But we definitely want to do this.”

Exactly where in the market such a rink would be located hasn’t been determined yet, although the pedestrianized portion of William Street between George and York streets might be a natural fit, as it’s the first thing visitors see when entering the area from the Rideau LRT station at William and Rideau streets. According to Dayler, that is the most used pedestrian gateway to the market.

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Won't this be too slippery a surface for the mounted patrol to prance across?
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I like the idea but hate the suggested location of the William St next to LRT station. That entryway to the Byward Market is typically pretty busy with people, we shouldn't be trying to squeeze in a skating rink there.

The ideal location though would be in the York Street middle parking section in front of the Ottawa Sign. Another opportunity to test our increasing pedestrian areas and removing some surface parking.
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I like the idea but hate the suggested location of the William St next to LRT station. That entryway to the Byward Market is typically pretty busy with people, we shouldn't be trying to squeeze in a skating rink there.

The ideal location though would be in the York Street middle parking section in front of the Ottawa Sign. Another opportunity to test our increasing pedestrian areas and removing some surface parking.
Agreed, William St. in front of the station entrance is a horrible idea. It's way too narrow on top of the fact that it's an important pedestrian thoroughfare (for those traversing between Rideau St. and the Market, as well as the O-Train station.

Using the "plaza" in front of the Ottawa sign and extending it across some of the parking spaces, say half way to Byward Market Sq, would be a much better idea.

I'm actually a bit concerned that this is their initial proposal...
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“It’s something that we’re eyeing for between 2024 and 2026. But we definitely want to do this.”
Ugh classic Ottawa. Just do it. That shouldn't be a 3-year project in the making.
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Anyone have access to sheets of artificial ice? This calls for some tactical guerilla urbanism.

Or gorilla urbanism.
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I like the idea but hate the suggested location of the William St next to LRT station. That entryway to the Byward Market is typically pretty busy with people, we shouldn't be trying to squeeze in a skating rink there.

The ideal location though would be in the York Street middle parking section in front of the Ottawa Sign. Another opportunity to test our increasing pedestrian areas and removing some surface parking.
They certainly aren't removing the parking.

Perhaps instead of on William direclty on George Street cutting the street in two would be a good compromise. Only lose a few parkings spots and minor detour from LRT. More visible as well.
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The large sidewalk/plaza in front of the market garage and EQ3 where would be a good spot for that ice ring without having an impact on parking or blocking a pedestrian thoroughfare
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