Winnipeg | Portage and Main

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by harls

Someone's gonna be mad that a roundabout wasn't considered.

A roundabout would be virtually impossible to build at that intersection. Too many skyscrapers in the way.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

A roundabout would be virtually impossible to build at that intersection. Too many skyscrapers in the way.

I hope you're joking.

If the city can put a traffic circle on Waverley and Grosvenor, where it caused quite a stir when it was first introduced 14 years ago, they can put a roundabout on Portage and Main.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by The Jabroni

I hope you're joking.

If the city can put a traffic circle on Waverley and Grosvenor, where it caused quite a stir when it was first introduced 14 years ago, they can put a roundabout on Portage and Main.

All of those "rounabouts" that were built for 15 years ago, in places like River Heights, and other older neighbourhoods, aren't really that effective. If one manoevers correctly, they can literally keep the same speed.
They can't build proper roundabouts in River Heights, Cresentwood, the West and North End, since it would impede on the sidewalks, and property of the four landowners.



However, after seeing aerial photos of the intersection, and the actual distances, it could conceivably work at Portage and Main. It would definitely make crossing the intersection safer for pedestrians.

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

All of those "rounabouts" that were built for 15 years ago, in places like River Heights, and other older neighbourhoods, aren't really that effective. If one manoevers correctly, they can literally keep the same speed.
They can't build proper roundabouts in River Heights, Cresentwood, the West and North End, since it would impede on the sidewalks, and property of the four landowners.



However, after seeing aerial photos of the intersection, and the actual distances, it could conceivably work at Portage and Main. It would definitely make crossing the intersection safer for pedestrians.

The central monument would also become an excellent location for the frequent demonstrations we see at the intersection. A safer space for those demonstrating could stand/wave flags and banners.

[drew]

[QUOTE=BlackDog204;10288250]All of those "rounabouts" that were built for 15 years ago, in places like River Heights, and other older neighbourhoods, aren't really that effective. If one manoevers correctly, they can literally keep the same speed.
They can't build proper roundabouts in River Heights, Cresentwood, the West and North End, since it would impede on the sidewalks, and property of the four landowners.
/QUOTE]

I think part of the benefit of roundabouts is that they keep traffic free flowing.

Similar results roundabouts in Australia are literally a small bump in the centre of the intersection. You barely slow down or adjust your direction thru the intersection if there is no traffic.

[Biff]

The plan

[Justanothermember]

I was hoping they would have considered a scramble pedestrian intersection here. Might be a good ideas to give pedestrians full right of way for a period of time and avoid any potential accidents with vehicles.

[borkborkbork]

What does "southeast corner to be shared with Boekstael" mean?

[bomberjet]

I feel like this has slid under the radar completely. I forgot or just didn't know about this. I do tend to forget things a lot more as I'm getting older and the kids.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

What does "southeast corner to be shared with Boekstael" mean?

Because Bockstael is actively doing the construction on the MMF (BMO) Building and will have to share the space for construction activities.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Are the blue areas on three of the four corners the current accesses to the underground...and if so, what happens to them? Assuming they will stay open until the concourse is closed?

[bomberjet]

Ya those are the entrances.

It's not a small amount of work to reconfigure, especially that corner as they're reconfig's the traffic lanes.

Are the barriers coming down completely? Or just being cut open to allow people through?

[Biff]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Are the barriers coming down completely? Or just being cut open to allow people through?

Removed, waterproofed and then install sidewalk and curb. There is also mention of some bollards in places.

[bomberjet]

I'm slightly confused by the whole thing. Are they implementing all the fancy pictures from the recent studies?

So after all that studying, traffic nightmare, transit nightmare. We're simply opening the corners with minor change to lane configuration?

Will it be pedestrian nightmare now? Or like what will happen when BRT comes through there. Blow it all up again? Is the underground closing?

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'm slightly confused by the whole thing. Are they implementing all the fancy pictures from the recent studies?

So after all that studying, traffic nightmare, transit nightmare. We're simply opening the corners with minor change to lane configuration?

This is a temporary [i.e. permanent] fix to ensure its open to pedestrians for the restructured transit network that goes into service next summer. Final design is to be determined.

[Biff]

My understanding is that the current concrete barriers have considerable leak issues and need to be removed. They are going with an easy and relatively cheap solution to remove the barriers, waterproof the damaged areas and replace with curbing and new traffic and pedestrian signalization. This low cost project will allow the intersection to be open to pedestrians. This does not address the significant issue of the underground water issues in the Portage and Main Circus. That will need to be addressed with a much larger budget and or maybe the closing and infill of the facility in the future.

[1ajs]

closing the underground would be a huge short sited mistake

[trueviking]

^ they won't...it just won't be the city paying to keep it open.

looks like no more right turn from main to portage east.

[trueviking]

they should ban the left turn from main to bannatyne.....that creates a big line up that slows portage and main.

[FactaNV]

Looks like the City is relocating the Great War memorial statue in front of the Bank of Montreal to Brookfield Cemetery. What a shame. Apparently there isn't room for it there once the renewal of P&M is complete but that statue should remain prominent and not somewhere that most of the city will never see it.