Winnipeg | Portage and Main

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by pspeid

^^ I remember the city giving Ikea some leeway on their signage, but I can't remember anything about roadway access (though I could be wrong). Even if they did, seriously, who cares? I'd rather be able to say "Winnipeg has an Ikea" than "Winnipeg has a free flow road where you can drive past things at high speed".

Personally, I could care less about the IKEA. The fact is, that anyone with a passing knowledge of city planning could have predicted that Kenaston-Sterling Lyon would eventually be one of the most congested at-grade intersections in the city, due to the fact that it's in the Southwest, where the Winnipeg is growing faster than literally anywhere else.

I knew the city was cheap, but why they decided to go with an at-grade interchange, especially since Kenaston was going to be such a major artery to Centreport is beyond me.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by pspeid

^^ I remember the city giving Ikea some leeway on their signage, but I can't remember anything about roadway access (though I could be wrong). Even if they did, seriously, who cares? I'd rather be able to say "Winnipeg has an Ikea" than "Winnipeg has a free flow road where you can drive past things at high speed". If I remember correctly, Winnipeg was, and still is, too small for the typical Ikea placement (I think they usually insist on a population of 1 million or more?). If we had to kiss some Swedish butt and adjust a road and signage, I personally think it was worth it...and I never bought from Ikea before they came here.

Anyhoo, since this is the P & M thread, I'm looking forward to seeing some plans and timelines for the re-opening.

Halifax has an Ikea with a metro population of 500K. BTW, the Ikea in Halifax (Dartmouth) is accessed through two interchanges off a freeway. Quebec City has an Ikea as well; accessed by exit of a freeway. So, Winnipeg is not unique in being a relatively small city with an Ikea.

[bomberjet]

The IKEA itself does not deserve an interchange. But the Kenaston/Sterling Lyon intersection is ridiculous. There are 3 left turn lanes. 3 of them!! And the intersection is huge.

[Biff]

Yup, 11 lanes across on Kenaston south side of the intersection.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The IKEA itself does not deserve an interchange. But the Kenaston/Sterling Lyon intersection is ridiculous. There are 3 left turn lanes. 3 of them!! And the intersection is huge.

I'm pretty that intersection alone is enough to host a Bomber game and have the field sit comfortably right in the middle of it. Might have to angle it and wiggle it in to make it fit.

[bodaggin]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The IKEA itself does not deserve an interchange. But the Kenaston/Sterling Lyon intersection is ridiculous. There are 3 left turn lanes. 3 of them!! And the intersection is huge.

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Considering they knew what was planned, a cloverleaf would have been ideal.

The city fucked up the Waverley-Bishop Grandin Blvd interchange too.

100% On point. Glad these important intersections are finally being talked about.

Waverly/Bishop isn't fucked. Lots of room for clover there still.

Originally Posted by WildCake

I can't figure out which route would be the free flow, if both?

Kenaston free flow and Sterling Lyon SPUI would be my suggestion. Sterling is the slow moving artery. But that slow-moving problem will be exacerbated when Wilkes South starts developing. Those existing Outlet Mall lights will get really bad.

Both Sterling and Kenaston should free flow ideally. In fact, Sterling/Wilkes should be built straight through to Fermor to split the city in a free flowing manner.

(I know this isn't P+M related. But P+M has taken way more airtime than it deserves. So P+M hardcores can deal with the inverse for once.)

[SquarePegYWG]

Here we go:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/portage-main-intersection-construction-work-pedestrian-1.7329889

https://www.merx.com/mbgov/solicitations...752?purchasingGroupId=699163402&origin=2

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by pspeid

^^ I remember the city giving Ikea some leeway on their signage, but I can't remember anything about roadway access (though I could be wrong). Even if they did, seriously, who cares? I'd rather be able to say "Winnipeg has an Ikea" than "Winnipeg has a free flow road where you can drive past things at high speed".

This is slly..

If I remember correctly, Winnipeg was, and still is, too small for the typical Ikea placement (I think they usually insist on a population of 1 million or more?). If we had to kiss some Swedish butt and adjust a road and signage, I personally think it was worth it...and I never bought from Ikea before they came here.

The first IKEA store opened in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia in 1976, so this was never the case.

[harls]

Originally Posted by SquarePegYWG

Here we go:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/portage-main-intersection-construction-work-pedestrian-1.7329889

https://www.merx.com/mbgov/solicitations...752?purchasingGroupId=699163402&origin=2

Someone's gonna be mad that a roundabout wasn't considered.

[bon_vivant]

Originally Posted by harls

Someone's gonna be mad that a roundabout wasn't considered.

Someone's gonna be mad no matter what. Can't please 'em all. A roundabout could always be considered in the future.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by harls

Someone's gonna be mad that a roundabout wasn't considered.

A roundabout would be virtually impossible to build at that intersection. Too many skyscrapers in the way.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

A roundabout would be virtually impossible to build at that intersection. Too many skyscrapers in the way.

I hope you're joking.

If the city can put a traffic circle on Waverley and Grosvenor, where it caused quite a stir when it was first introduced 14 years ago, they can put a roundabout on Portage and Main.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by The Jabroni

I hope you're joking.

If the city can put a traffic circle on Waverley and Grosvenor, where it caused quite a stir when it was first introduced 14 years ago, they can put a roundabout on Portage and Main.

All of those "rounabouts" that were built for 15 years ago, in places like River Heights, and other older neighbourhoods, aren't really that effective. If one manoevers correctly, they can literally keep the same speed.
They can't build proper roundabouts in River Heights, Cresentwood, the West and North End, since it would impede on the sidewalks, and property of the four landowners.



However, after seeing aerial photos of the intersection, and the actual distances, it could conceivably work at Portage and Main. It would definitely make crossing the intersection safer for pedestrians.

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

All of those "rounabouts" that were built for 15 years ago, in places like River Heights, and other older neighbourhoods, aren't really that effective. If one manoevers correctly, they can literally keep the same speed.
They can't build proper roundabouts in River Heights, Cresentwood, the West and North End, since it would impede on the sidewalks, and property of the four landowners.



However, after seeing aerial photos of the intersection, and the actual distances, it could conceivably work at Portage and Main. It would definitely make crossing the intersection safer for pedestrians.

The central monument would also become an excellent location for the frequent demonstrations we see at the intersection. A safer space for those demonstrating could stand/wave flags and banners.

[drew]

[QUOTE=BlackDog204;10288250]All of those "rounabouts" that were built for 15 years ago, in places like River Heights, and other older neighbourhoods, aren't really that effective. If one manoevers correctly, they can literally keep the same speed.
They can't build proper roundabouts in River Heights, Cresentwood, the West and North End, since it would impede on the sidewalks, and property of the four landowners.
/QUOTE]

I think part of the benefit of roundabouts is that they keep traffic free flowing.

Similar results roundabouts in Australia are literally a small bump in the centre of the intersection. You barely slow down or adjust your direction thru the intersection if there is no traffic.

[Biff]

The plan

[Justanothermember]

I was hoping they would have considered a scramble pedestrian intersection here. Might be a good ideas to give pedestrians full right of way for a period of time and avoid any potential accidents with vehicles.

[borkborkbork]

What does "southeast corner to be shared with Boekstael" mean?

[bomberjet]

I feel like this has slid under the radar completely. I forgot or just didn't know about this. I do tend to forget things a lot more as I'm getting older and the kids.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

What does "southeast corner to be shared with Boekstael" mean?

Because Bockstael is actively doing the construction on the MMF (BMO) Building and will have to share the space for construction activities.