The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

What does 12 Neighbors follow?

Extremely low- or even no-tolerance, which is why it functions well, IIRC.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

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Quite a promising vision for the future of Saint John regarding tax reform, housing, healthcare, and more... (at least from Susan Holt and David Coon)

It's amazing some people in this city will still vote for Higgs and the PCs when they clearly don't care about the best interests of this city.

Too bad none of the councillors actually asked a specific question about being able to set different tax rates for different types of properties, but overall, it's promising Holt and Coon at least have positive visions for the future of this city and are committed to delivering the tools needed to make a more positive future possible.

[cdnguys]

Next PAC has on agenda 2 x 70 unit buildings at tipsy tomato

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Next PAC has on agenda 2 x 70 unit buildings at tipsy tomato

There is an error on the agenda. That description is for the Martha Avenue and Nason Road development. The all in one PDF document of the entire agenda is accurate and says it’s an 34-unit building at the back where the car wash is, and a 50-unit where the rest of the commercial plaza is towards the road. Phase 1 is the 34-unit, Phase 2 is the 50-unit.





Also, a new U-Haul self storage facility is proposed for 665-669 Loch Lomond Road and 0 Commerce Drive. An 1-storey building will be built at the top area of the site, and an 3-storey building will be built closer to the Loch Lomond Road and Commerce Drive intersection.

The facility will consist of self-storage units, truck and trailer rentals, and related retail sales and vehicle service.

[adamuptownsj]

Surprisingly large opposition to Cavanaugh planning 5 townhouses at 15 and 17 Montgomery Cres (the latter of which is disused LPP), some amusingly calling it a 'green space' and quoting Joni Mitchell. Others say it features an 'important trail' but I can't for the life of me see how. The laneway between Dufferin and Montgomery is not remotely impacted.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Surprisingly large opposition to Cavanaugh planning 5 townhouses at 15 and 17 Montgomery Cres (the latter of which is disused LPP), some amusingly calling it a 'green space' and quoting Joni Mitchell. Others say it features an 'important trail' but I can't for the life of me see how. The laneway between Dufferin and Montgomery is not remotely impacted.

$88 tax levy… how important could it possibly be. Holy hell does NB need tax reforms to raise the taxes on vacant land. This is of course a very small example.

There’s nothing to oppose here, unless you take a Brent Harris approach and decry all new housing development and growth as part of the problem, which is just straight up BS

There’s three vacant parcels of there to build something a lot bigger than 5 townhouses… that would be my only gripe. Forte Howe has some of the best harbour views in the city, a ten story unit here would be a much better use of the land.

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Surprisingly large opposition to Cavanaugh planning 5 townhouses at 15 and 17 Montgomery Cres (the latter of which is disused LPP), some amusingly calling it a 'green space' and quoting Joni Mitchell. Others say it features an 'important trail' but I can't for the life of me see how. The laneway between Dufferin and Montgomery is not remotely impacted.

I lived on Dufferin when I was a kid and the only trail up that hill was to the old school before the townhouses went in 20+ years ago. Seems like a great place for in-fill, just do it.

[cdnguys]

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

The proposed 76-unit, (five story), development for 1750 Sandy Point Road has passed the first and second reading at tonight’s public hearing, despite the opposition against this project.

Developers, Stephen Brittain and Bill Dunnett spoke at the hearing. If all approved will be between 6 months to a year for the design work of the building. So overall around 12-18 months for start time.

They are aiming for it to be more of an high-end development with 10% affordable, and are still unsure if it will be apartments or condos (if there is interest for condos).

This has passed 3rd reading at last night’s meeting but with one condition added, (tougher storm drain requirements).

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Surprisingly large opposition to Cavanaugh planning 5 townhouses at 15 and 17 Montgomery Cres (the latter of which is disused LPP), some amusingly calling it a 'green space' and quoting Joni Mitchell. Others say it features an 'important trail' but I can't for the life of me see how. The laneway between Dufferin and Montgomery is not remotely impacted.

Application withdrawn.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Application withdrawn.

So the 20 metre hiking trail and protected park land is saved ?

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

So the 20 metre hiking trail and protected park land is saved ?

It's not like we need housing or anything....

[DyAm00394]

Couple interesting new article headlines on AllNewBrunswick.

- “Saint John Ready To Let Go South End Waterfront Land”,
- “JDI Wants To Pave Part Of Park For $1.1B NextGen Project”.

Curious to know what those new articles say. Anyone with access to the website?

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Couple interesting new article headlines on AllNewBrunswick.

- “Saint John Ready To Let Go South End Waterfront Land”,
- “JDI Wants To Pave Part Of Park For $1.1B NextGen Project”.

Curious to know what those new articles say. Anyone with access to the website?

A- a good chunk of Wolastoq Park, coupled with a pedestrian overpass. Not a fan of this at all. It's Irving-owned and managed so all they need is a rezoning. Just build a parking garage, yeesh.

B- presumably 324 Charlotte and an unnamed parcel to its south. The rumour is Cooke is waiting to see what becomes of IOL and its tower and is not seeking to build a HQ now.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

A- a good chunk of Wolastoq Park, coupled with a pedestrian overpass. Not a fan of this at all. It's Irving-owned and managed so all they need is a rezoning. Just build a parking garage, yeesh.

B- presumably 324 Charlotte and an unnamed parcel to its south. The rumour is Cooke is waiting to see what becomes of IOL and its tower and is not seeking to build a HQ now.

IOL rumour is simply that, an unfounded rumour. My reliable source at Cooke says a new HQ is not on their radar in the short term, and has nothing to do with Irving. It’s just not a priority at the moment.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

https://saintjohn.ca/en/news-and-notices...rrXsyBbvYgXbQ_aem_aUpQT42RiPi-vgLZPLku-Q


Unlike that little sliver of green space by Fort Howe that was “saved” from development, Wolastoq is a hugely popular park and public space. This would be a really stupid idea for the city to approve. If they’re going to destroy that much of the park, they should at least build apartments. This property has some of the best views in the entire city.



To think this property could go from a useful public health institution, to popular public park, and then to mostly a parking lot is just all kinds of troubling and emblematic of poor planning and lack of vision for Saint John.

At least if it was being developed for housing it would be fulfilling a highly in demand public need, with green space could be retained if it was done as an apartment tower community— with even better views than exist there now.

The city shouldn’t even consider a rezoning request at this site for anything less than a substantial residential development that could retain a huge amount of green space. Apartment towers with 100% underground parking could save a huge amount of green space and actually add to the residential area. That’s a really nice spot on Lancaster, how the hell does a commercial parking lot fit it in with plan SJ?

Either keep it a nice park, or allow the development a residential/ mixed use project. The city shouldn’t approve such a regressive development of this property. At this location, industrial and commercial infrastructure should be kept to the west of Bridge Rd. If the city has any balls, and wants to show they actually care about residential neighbourhoods on the West Side, they won’t allow this proposal to go through.

[sailor734]

I don't like the idea much but............This is not a "public park". It has been privately owned since JDI bought it from the province in 1998 and demolished the old mental hospital. They did the landscaping, have kept up the property maintenance and have allowed free use of their property by the public since then.

As to building a garage instead, I'm reading this as that the additional parking is needed for workers taking part in the mill modernization project and thus the need may well only be temporary.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by sailor734

I don't like the idea much but............This is not a "public park". It has been privately owned since JDI bought it from the province in 1998 and demolished the old mental hospital. They did the landscaping, have kept up the property maintenance and have allowed free use of their property by the public since then.

As to building a garage instead, I'm reading this as that the additional parking is needed for workers taking part in the mill modernization project and thus the need may well only be temporary.

I should have said popular park open to the public. Really though, it seems like a slow moving bait and switch, especially considering it was publicly owned land in the first place.

Would be less terrible if it was only temporary, but I thought I also read something about a vehicle maintenance facility too, which didn’t sound so temporary.

The city shouldn’t be so quick to approve this rezoning request simply to make parking solutions easier for the mill. There’s other parking solutions. The city should hold steady and keep it zoned as a park.

[DyAm00394]

From JDI on social media:

"Irving Pulp & Paper is proposing to build additional infrastructure to support Project NextGen, a $1.1-billion investment in our region. Hundreds of new jobs will be created during the construction phase which will require the creation of new parking in the JDI-owned property adjacent to the mill.
As part of the project, the property will undergo several beautification and safety enhancements, including:
- the installation of a pedway across Bridge Road that will be available to the public
-enhanced park lighting
-entrances on Lancaster Avenue to improve traffic flow in the area
-preservation of the best views and green spaces for public use and improvements to various property features
For more information on this proposed project, please visit https://nextgennb.com/parking "

[Pugsley]

Can't say I'm a big fan of this proposal. Erasing that much green space for a parking lot and a pedestrian bridge v. building a parking garage structure should be considered. A parking garage to house all employees in one on-site facility would 1) make the overall park space and Reversing Falls park more attractive and useful for residents and 2) allow them to free up some of the other on-site parking lots - allowing future expansion.

I hope they reconsider this.