Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

There is a reason why the old royalist French flag was white.........

It is, however, this white royal flag that is prominently displayed in the central rotunda of the US Capitol, and not the British flag.



The painting shows the British officers (center, on foot) surrendering to the French (left) and US (right) army after the Siege of Yorktown.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

I almost think this one is more an American conception of the old world, particularized in this one way. Because it isn't uncommon to encounter that idea of the English, either -- that they are tea-sipping dandies obsessed with minor points of etiquette.

(When in much greater numbers, they are a ruddy, coarse, naval people used to unforgiving hierarchies and widespread casual violence )

Agreed. But, it is widely known that British society is very class based, and, for every effete dandy sipping his tea and eating a crumpet wile practicing flawless RP during a garden party, there are 100 Mancunian soccer hooligans getting up to no good.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There is a probably a bit of truth that that lies in the subconscious of many anglosphere types. As silly as it is.

John Kerry was called "French" and "effete" by the Republicans during the 2004 presidential campaign. I didn't know that such prejudices also existed in supposedly liberal Anglo-Canada.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

John Kerry was called "French" and "effete" by the Republicans during the 2004 presidential campaign. I didn't know that such prejudices also existed in supposedly liberal Anglo-Canada.

While there are some exceptions, most things that exist in the US you can expect to be mimicked in Anglo-Canada to some degree.

A lot of the prejudices Americans have against the French even sometimes get thrown at us as well in Canada: feminine men, not being good courageous warriors, not showering very often, women with hairy armpits and legs, etc.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

women with hairy armpits and legs, etc.

In Europe this is a stereotype that is assigned to the Portuguese, not the French.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

In Europe this is a stereotype that is assigned to the Portuguese, not the French.

It even exists in Quebec a little bit.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=270469851321091

[AverageMonctonEnjoyr]

Je viens de découvrir ce forum… c’est une vraie dinguerie
J’ai maintenant l’intention de le lire en entier !

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by AverageMonctonEnjoyr

Je viens de découvrir ce forum… c’est une vraie dinguerie
J’ai maintenant l’intention de le lire en entier !

See you next January then (if you read fast).

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by AverageMonctonEnjoyr

Je viens de découvrir ce forum… c’est une vraie dinguerie
J’ai maintenant l’intention de le lire en entier !

You will only end up getting depressed, and possibly quite angry.

[Acajack]

Le mot "dinguerie" n'est quand même pas trop mal choisi.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Le mot "dinguerie" n'est quand même pas trop mal choisi.

Yeah, our New Brunswickian Grumpy, aka MonctonRad, probably doesn't understand the subtlety of the word "dinguerie".

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Le mot "dinguerie" n'est quand même pas trop mal choisi.

I had to look it up.

Going head to head with a foreign agent like NB is probably not a good enough reason to stick around in this thread.

I therefore take my leave again.............

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I had to look it up.

Going head to head with a foreign agent like NB is probably not a good enough reason to stick around in this thread.

I therefore take my leave again.............

Foreign agent?

You make it sound like he is OSS-117!

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's because we see (Parisian) French culture as being inherently feminine - foppish, effeminate, irrational and vain.

May I give you a piece of advice? Don't talk like that to women. Misogynist jerks are not so popular these days.
Seriously, you know it.

Whatever, I'll take it as a compliment. I'd rather be feminine than manly, because women are prettier than men.

Also, being irrational has nothing to do with gender or even personal beliefs. It's just naïveté or brainwashing that causes people to be so.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I had to look it up.

It's a recent term. I didn't know it was used in Canada, as it was coined in France in the past 10 years or so (you would never have heard this terms in the 2000s). But then again it shows Francophones in Canada keep in touch with what's going on in Francophone Europe.

It can mean that something is crazy and insane in a bad way. Our stupid environment minister recently declared on the French national public radio (which has become a hard-left media over time, think Fox News but the left and radio version of it), after the EU Commission said glyphosate (Roundup) was not dangerous to humans and could continue to be sold in the EU, that it was "une dinguerie" to continue allowing this "pesticide" (sic! apparently the guy doesn't even know the difference between a pesticide and a herbicide, and he's environment minister with a huge portfolio including energy and roads). In his mouth, that was meant to shock and to say how awful and crazy it was.

BUT the term is more often used by people to mean "wow, it's insane" in a positive way, as in "wow, it's insane, I wanna try it". As in "le dernier iPhone c'est juste une dinguerie !", where it means the last iPhone is just too good to be believed. This is probably how the word was used here (at least that's how Acajack and I understood it; in a negative way it's usually followed by something, an explainer, whereas "dinguerie" alone without any further explanation is usually meant positively).

Languages!

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I therefore take my leave again.............

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(only the French forumers will understand this )

[mousquet]

Meh, dinguerie is yet another slang going overused and outdated.
Slangs are funny when they're brand new and kind of confidential, then they turn out annoying when they're too much in everybody's mouth trying to sound trendy.
It is something exclusive and more of a teenage thing, so to speak. So grownups would rather speak correct French.

What's the purpose of a slang? It is not to be understood by regular people. That's why drug dealing, for instance, has been the source of tons of slangs for decades.
It is usually a short-lived type of language. Once everybody knows and uses it, it has lost its basic purpose.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

It's a recent term. I didn't know it was used in Canada, as it was coined in France in the past 10 years or so (you would never have heard this terms in the 2000s). But then again it shows Francophones in Canada keep in touch with what's going on in Francophone Europe.

It can mean that something is crazy and insane in a bad way. Our stupid environment minister recently declared on the French national public radio (which has become a hard-left media over time, think Fox News but the left and radio version of it), after the EU Commission said glyphosate (Roundup) was not dangerous to humans and could continue to be sold in the EU, that it was "une dinguerie" to continue allowing this "pesticide" (sic! apparently the guy doesn't even know the difference between a pesticide and a herbicide, and he's environment minister with a huge portfolio including energy and roads). In his mouth, that was meant to shock and to say how awful and crazy it was.

BUT the term is more often used by people to mean "wow, it's insane" in a positive way, as in "wow, it's insane, I wanna try it". As in "le dernier iPhone c'est juste une dinguerie !", where it means the last iPhone is just too good to be believed. This is probably how the word was used here (at least that's how Acajack and I understood it; in a negative way it's usually followed by something, an explainer, whereas "dinguerie" alone without any further explanation is usually meant positively).

Languages!

Yes I got the term immediately but I am wondering if the guy who used "dinguerie" might not be a French person living in Canada. Just a hunch.

[AverageMonctonEnjoyr]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

You will only end up getting depressed, and possibly quite angry.

Yeah maybe, or i’ll just find it very entertaining.
I’ll make sure to chew on a nice piece of baguette & hum la marseillaise while reading it.

[AverageMonctonEnjoyr]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Foreign agent?

You make it sound like he is OSS-117!

Ahahaha la ref de malade OSS-117 pas mal t’est fort t’est fort

[AverageMonctonEnjoyr]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Le mot "dinguerie" n'est quand même pas trop mal choisi.

Je pourrais aussi décrire quelques messages comme « Farfelus »
Et certains membres comme « drôles d’énergumènes »