Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

What is the contemporary Parisian term for "self-aware"?

Conscience de soi

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

What is the contemporary Parisian term for "self-aware"?

The dictionary says "qui se connait bien", but this is not a concept used in France. I've never heard anyone saying "qui se connait bien".

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Conscience de soi

This would be the proper translation, but it's no common term in French, is it?
What does self-awareness actually mean anyway? It must be a concept of psychology (or psychoanalysis), much like super-ego: the part of a person's mind that acts as a self-critical conscience, reflecting social standards learned from parents and teachers.

Confiance en soi (self-confidence) is a much more common term and far more needed in the French language.

[New Brisavoine]

^^It's one of these concepts that the Anglophones have invented (particularly the Americans) but which are not used in France, and therefore have no real translation in French.

[mousquet]

^ Are you sure they invented anything in that matter? Lots of people in the US would resort to psychoanalysts, as if it was some trend out there.
But again, self-awareness sounds much like super-ego to me. Sigmund Freud found out about the concept long ago.

[Acajack]

Self-awareness is more about being able to view yourself as you really are, including strengths, weaknesses, flaws and qualities.

It is not the same as the super-ego.

[harls]

Some people need to rewatch Terminator 2.

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Self-awareness is more about being able to view yourself as you really are, including strengths, weaknesses, flaws and qualities.

It is not the same as the super-ego.

Ouais mais on ne va pas se faire une branlette intellectuelle sur la psychanalyse ici, hein...
C'est soûlant.

People have been aware of their strengths and weaknesses since they've been Homo sapiens.
Only some psychos don't realize, and they're not the majority in a population, so you don't have to care so much.

I'm not going to torture people in their minds with useless questions.
I have Christian faith, so I'd rather rely on what I believe in.
And people need to trust themselves to be happy. That was my point.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by mousquet

^ Are you sure they invented anything in that matter? Lots of people in the US would resort to psychoanalysts, as if it was some trend out there.
But again, self-awareness sounds much like super-ego to me. Sigmund Freud found out about the concept long ago.

Yes I'm quite sure. Americans are not into psychoanalysis (that's a very French thing, but largely ignored in the US). Americans, on the other hand, are a LOT into self-improvement and psychology in general (always with a goal in mind, improve your life, career, etc). So "self-awareness" is typically one of these concepts you'll find in their self-development books that are very numerous in their bookstores.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Self-awareness is more about being able to view yourself as you really are, including strengths, weaknesses, flaws and qualities.

If that's the case, then there's "faire son auto-critique", which is as old in the French language as Mao's China. Or in a more developed way you could say "faire le bilan de ses forces et de ses faiblesses".

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by harls

Some people need to rewatch Terminator 2.

Have you watched "Sex, Lies, and Videotape" from the same era? It is more interesting. It will disturb you more, lol.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

^^It's one of these concepts that the Anglophones have invented (particularly the Americans) but which are not used in France, and therefore have no real translation in French.

Metropolitain Parisiennes are obviously not self aware enough to realize they need a term for self awareness.

[Loco101]

Weird conversation!

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Metropolitain Parisiennes are obviously

I've never understood those Anglophones trying to write some French words who systematically add feminine endings to French words where they are not required. I see this often in the British media where some journalists want to "show off" by writing some French words, but most often it's grammatically wrong, with final -e added where it shouldn't be.

I see this always in the British press, and never in the German, Italian, or Spanish press, where they correctly write feminine and masculine. Not in the US press either, where they don't even try to write French words to start with.

Guys, if your French is not good enough to write it, it's fine, but then don't try to "show off" by writing some incorrect French. It just makes you look silly (like someone seeing a piano and trying to play (awfully) in front of his friends to show them he can play the piano, like duh...).

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Loco101

Weird conversation!

It must say something about New Brunswick...

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

I've never understood those Anglophones trying to write some French words who systematically add feminine endings to French words where they are not required.

It's because we see (Parisian) French culture as being inherently feminine - foppish, effeminate, irrational and vain.

Not a proud warrior culture like you see in the anglosphere.

There is a reason why the old royalist French flag was white.........

I of course am being deliberately provocative, but, since you enjoy smearing the "anglo-saxon race" so much, I figure we can go head-to-head on this one.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's because we see (Parisian) French culture as being inherently feminine - foppish, effeminate, irrational and vain.

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There is a probably a bit of truth that that lies in the subconscious of many anglosphere types. As silly as it is.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There is a probably a bit of truth that that lies in the subconscious of many anglosphere types. As silly as it is.

NB also seems to have some racial stereotypes lodges in his subconscious regarding anglosphere culture too. I'm just playing his game.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

NB also seems to have some racial stereotypes lodges in his subconscious regarding anglosphere culture too. I'm just playing his game.

I think we're all also aware that francophones on both sides of the Atlantic can have stereotypical views of anglophones as well.

[kool maudit]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There is a probably a bit of truth that that lies in the subconscious of many anglosphere types. As silly as it is.

I almost think this one is more an American conception of the old world, particularized in this one way. Because it isn't uncommon to encounter that idea of the English, either -- that they are tea-sipping dandies obsessed with minor points of etiquette.

(When in much greater numbers, they are a ruddy, coarse, naval people used to unforgiving hierarchies and widespread casual violence )