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Old Posted Jul 25, 2024, 5:10 AM
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How many arenas across Canada are Scotiabank gonna sponsor?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2024, 5:38 AM
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Excellent use of "penultimate" by the way.


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How many arenas across Canada are Scotiabank gonna sponsor?
Even funnier that our CTC used to be Scotiabank Place while Calgary's arena will be dubbed Scotia Place. I guess they couldn't reuse Scotiabank Saddledome while "Arena" and "Centre" are already being used by Scotiabank-branded rinks in Toronto and Halifax (QMJHL), respectively.

They're giving the Rogers empire a run for their money, who have Arena, Place and Centre in Vancouver, Edmonton and Toronto (MLB), respectively.
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You also forgot the Scotiabank Theaters... they are crazy for branding

Speaking of which, when will we see Airports sell their naming rights? I think that would be very lucrative for airports... just sayin....
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Wonder if we see groundbreaking on this side of Booth in the next 5 years.

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Wonder if we see groundbreaking on this side of Booth in the next 5 years.
I think so.

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Next Steps
  • Over the course of 2024, the NCC will engage in lease negotiations with the proponent, which will also conduct its due diligence, including advancing design work for the development. Design for the Flats Phase development will be subject to the federal land use and design approval process.
  • The NCC and Avenue 31 Capital Inc./Cogir will aim to enter into a lease agreement by late 2024.
  • Construction of roads and buildings in the Flats Phase will begin following municipal approval of the NCC’s plan of subdivision, which is targeted for late 2025.
  • The agreement includes deadlines for the start and completion of development blocks within the Flats Phase to ensure timely completion and occupancy of all buildings.
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Didn't they award three lots to some developer back in January this year? What progress have we seen with those? There should've been a timeline attached to the award that they must submit plans within 12mo and shovels in the ground within 24 (or something like that).

What about the next phase of awarding lots? So frustrating to see the city growing in population, a high demand for housing and little to no progress on the Flats.
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Didn't they award three lots to some developer back in January this year? What progress have we seen with those? There should've been a timeline attached to the award that they must submit plans within 12mo and shovels in the ground within 24 (or something like that).

What about the next phase of awarding lots? So frustrating to see the city growing in population, a high demand for housing and little to no progress on the Flats.
That's the timeline I posted above. They hope to get the lease agreement done by the end of 2024. Road network should be completed by the end of 2025, and "The agreement includes deadlines for the start and completion of development blocks within the Flats Phase to ensure timely completion and occupancy of all buildings."

I assume that once they are done negotiations with Avenue 31 Capital Inc./Cogir, the NCC will release the next phase, possibly across the street from the library. The goal is to develop in phases and make sure developers aren't in each others way, which is why they're bouncing around (Library District, Albert District, Flats District, maybe back to Library District?) They probably only want to negotiate with one proponent at a time (two while the Sens are negotiating, but that's much more complicated and they didn't want to stall).


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I so hate the stroad "grid" that was laid over Lebreton.
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More on the whacky Carleton University LeBreton loop-de-loop proposal.

https://architecture.carleton.ca/archives/35284
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I so hate the stroad "grid" that was laid over Lebreton.
"Stroad" is a strong word. These will probably be narrow Dutch style woonerfs.
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So... a full year (2024) to get a lease agreement in place? And then another year (2025) to build a few hundred meters of road?

Construction on those lots to start when.. 2026??

Funny how a whole subdivision at the end of Barrhaven can be erected in a matter of months.
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So... a full year (2024) to get a lease agreement in place? And then another year (2025) to build a few hundred meters of road?

Construction on those lots to start when.. 2026??

Funny how a whole subdivision at the end of Barrhaven can be erected in a matter of months.
There's a difference between match stick siding clad market priced junk in Barrhaven with basic roads and single narrow sidewalk on land owned by private developers and Federal land being sold to a developer who will be building towers subject to high design standards and be required to include affordable housing on decent looking narrow streets with bike lanes, double sidewalks over large sewers and watermains to support high density.
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I think so.
I'll believe it when I see it. Senators would've been getting ready for the 4th season at LF now if timelines were to be trusted.

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"Stroad" is a strong word. These will probably be narrow Dutch style woonerfs.
They'll be sold as "Dutch-style woonerfs" until the firecode and "common sense" revisions are applied.
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"Stroad" is a strong word. These will probably be narrow Dutch style woonerfs.
The disjointed buildings are set far too far back and have too poor of a street interaction for them to be anything other than stroads, pretty bike-paint notwithstanding. It's another urban suburb that this continent keeps building on prime central real estate.
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NCC remains focused on making a deal with Senators at LeBreton Flats
"The NCC remains confident that providing the Ottawa Senators with the opportunity to build a downtown arena at LeBreton Flats is of tremendous value for the team, their partners and for fans."

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Published Aug 30, 2024 ‱ Last updated 15 minutes ago ‱ 4 minute read




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from CTV Ottawa https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/we-re-making-s...rena-ahead-of-sept-20-deadline-1.7026247

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'We're making some progress': Senators continue talks with NCC on LeBreton Flats arena ahead of Sept. 20 deadline

The Ottawa Senators say they are making "some progress" in talks with the National Capital Commission (NCC) on a deal to build a new NHL arena at LeBreton Flats, with just over two weeks left to finalize an agreement.

Negotiations continue between the Senators and the NCC ahead of the Sept. 20 deadline to reach an agreement to build an arena on the land just west of downtown Ottawa.

"I think there's a willingness to try to find away to get something done," Cyril Leeder, Senators president and chief executive officer, told TSN 1200 Thursday.

"Sometimes a deadline focuses the mind and gets parties to compromise on both sides and hopefully find some common ground. We're not there yet, but we're still talking and we're making some progress so I'm hopeful that we'll get there."

Leeder says the negotiations are focusing on more than just the size of the available land for an arena.

"It's more complicated than that. That's not the only issue in terms of the size of the parcels (of land). If that was the only issue, I think we would have solved that a long time ago."

The NCC entered into a memorandum of understanding with the Capital Sports Development Inc., the Senators ownership group, in June 2022 to develop a new major event centre on seven acres of land on Albert Street between Preston Street and City Centre. The NCC provided a one-year extension until September 2024 after the ownership group led by Michael Andlauer purchased the club.

Leeder notes Canadian Tire Centre is one of the oldest arenas in the NHL, and the club would like to move in the future. He says both sides have set Sept. 20 as a hard deadline.

"We've kind of agreed on that with the NCC. They need to decide what's going to go on here, if we're not going to be there they need to make plans, and we do too," Leeder said.

"We really want to be downtown. If it's not at LeBreton we'll have to start looking at other sites."

NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum told reporters in April(opens in a new tab) that he was optimistic the Sens would eventually build an arena at LeBreton Flats, but the NCC has a Plan B if the two sides cannot reach agreement.

TSN 1200's John Rodenberg asked Leeder if he feels a deal will be reached by the deadline.

"There's always a possibility it won't. I said, it makes sense. To me they've had the site, they want to develop the site, they set aside a piece of land for an arena on the property on LeBreton, we'd like to be downtown, it's a good location, it's right next to the key point for the LRT," Leeder said.

"So for a lot of reasons it makes sense from first principles, but you just have to get to terms of a business agreement that works for both sides."

Leeder notes LeBreton Flats is a good location for a new arena, mentioning the Confederation Line and the Trillium Line have stations along the LeBreton Flats area.

While transit and walk-up crowds will be a big part of the fan base for Senators games if a new arena is built at LeBreton Flats, Leeder says, "Initially, you're going to need some parking on a LeBreton site."

"Initially (the NCC) thought well you don't need any parking – it's going to be a public transit site. We all agree on that. Again, it's just how do you get there transitionally," Leeder said, noting LeBreton Flats will eventually be built up with housing and other buildings.

"I think over the last year when we've been discussing this with them, they've really come to appreciate it – look, we need some parking. It's going to be a transitional process until the site gets fully built out and I think we've made progress on that particular issue."
Terrific shot by Harley showing why we really need this to happen! So many cities around the world would kill for such a central location with access to roads/transit/parking/pathways to build a new stadium/arena. Let's do the least Ottawa thing possible and make this happen....

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Ottawa Senators ‘committed’ to seeing discussions with NCC through to Sept. 20 deadline
Arena at LeBreton would be smaller than the Canadian Tire Centre

Mia Jensen, OBJ
September 5, 2024 3:21 PM ET


Details about the future of the Ottawa Senators and LeBreton Flats will become more clear later this month, according to CEO and president Cyril Leeder.

Sept. 20 is the deadline to firm up details for a new memorandum of understanding between the NHL hockey club and the National Capital Commission. With just three weeks left to come to an agreement, Leeder said Wednesday that talks are intensifying and he’s hopeful that a deal would come through.

“We’re still talking with the NCC,” Leeder told OBJ, following the Senators’ season launch event at the Canadian Tire Centre. “We’re still trying to find some common ground 
 It’s our expectation that (by Sept. 20), we’ll know whether we’ll be able to come to terms with the NCC on the future of an arena on LeBreton Flats. That’s what the agreement says at this point. That’s what we’ve been working towards, is trying to finalize terms that would work for them and for us.” With the second-oldest arena in the National Hockey League, the Senators have been considering their options in recent years, weighing whether to keep their suburban location by renovating the 30-year-old CTC, or take a leap and build a brand-new arena close to Ottawa’s downtown core.

Earlier this year, Leeder said the seven-acre parcel just 10 minutes west of downtown was the only location the Senators were seriously considering. He said Wednesday that remains true, though the organization is ready to switch gears if needed. “I mean, we’ve kind of committed that we want to see this through,” he said. “If we can get a deal done, we will. If we can’t, we’ll move on to other options, but we really haven’t looked at anything seriously other than that.” A new arena would be a similar size or slightly smaller than the Senators’ current home, aiming for a capacity of between 16,000 to 17,000 people. It would also include newer amenities and improved loading zones, with the hopes of doubling the number of shows the facility can host.

While budgets and timelines are nowhere near confirmed, Leeder said the closest comparison would be the Calgary Flames new 18,000-seat arena, which is set to open in 2025. In April, Leeder said building a new 800,000-square-foot arena would cost around $1.2 billion-$1.5 billion. Surrounding infrastructure, like hotels, condos, restaurants, bars and office buildings, are expected to cost three to five times that amount.

While remaining in Kanata is always an option, Leeder said the team is firm in its desire to build new elsewhere.

“We’ve got a building that’s got decent bones to it,” he said. “It is on the older side, so we would need a fairly significant renovation, so that is an option. But it’s not one we’re considering at this point, I should be clear on that. I think there’s a lot of reasons the downtown could really use a boost and I think that the arena and the team and all the events that it brings could help with that. We’d like to be more central to our fan base over the next 50 years. Kanata has been a good location for us, but if we were downtown with a new LRT system, we think that’s probably the right place to be.” In April, NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum said talks were continuing with the Senators and he was optimistic a deal could be reached to move the team to LeBreton Flats. Nussbaum also suggested that the NCC had a backup plan for the site in case a deal is not reached with the Senators. In January, the NCC agreed to extend its memorandum of understanding with the Senators to the fall of 2024 to give the two sides more time to negotiate. The MOU was originally slated to expire last fall. Following previous owner Eugene Melynk’s death nearly two years ago, the Senators were granted preferred-bidder status in June 2022 to negotiate with the NCC on a plan to build an events centre that would be the crown jewel of the Crown corporation’s long-term effort to redevelop the Flats. While talks have progressed, the process slowed while the Senators sought new ownership. Toronto businessman Michael Andlauer assumed control of the team last September and has been considering his next steps for a new arena.

Andlauer has said he believes that relocating the team closer to the city’s core is the right move, but hasn’t explicitly named a preferred site.

After taking over ownership in September, Andlauer described LeBreton as “maybe the best piece of land in the inner city probably in North America available for development.” Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe and other members of the business community have suggested that LeBreton is not the only viable option for a downtown rink, noting that the federal government’s plan to offload aging downtown office towers could open up new pockets of land for development in the core.

With files from David Sali

https://obj.ca/ottawa-senators-ncc-committed-arena-deadline/
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Wow...when this whole process started a lot of people commented that the Palladium was still pretty modern...and now it's the 2nd oldest arena in the league on the eve of a potential relocation deal.
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Wow...when this whole process started a lot of people commented that the Palladium was still pretty modern...and now it's the 2nd oldest arena in the league on the eve of a potential relocation deal.
No, that's not accurate. It's tide for 10th with six other arenas. We could say 9th if we consider the billion dollar work on MSG as a "new" arena.

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[B]Ottawa Senators ‘committed’ to seeing discussions with NCC through to Sept. 20 deadline
Arena at LeBreton would be smaller than the Canadian Tire Centre
Man if this thing actually happens it will be the last piece of the puzzle to finally see Ottawa look and act like a real city. Would be completely game changer for both Downtown Ottawa and Downtown Hull in this location.

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