Ugly Canada 2 (Only architecture, planning and design faux pas)

[Nashe]

Originally Posted by Jaws

This is so wrong on so many levels. I'm sure this is the ugliest house in the country. https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/2...ximage&image=1

It's like if you launched Noah's ark in 1982 and it came to rest in a field somewhere in a Saskatchewan field instead of a mountaintop in the middle-east.

You can practically smell snowmobile gas and oil from these pictures.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Stupid legal argument. Horrible PR. Just negotiate a settlement and make it go away FFS!!!

I'm glad my parents took me and my brother to Disney World in the late 1980s. They seemed like a "wholesome" company back then.

Disney is famous in Niagara for losing a court case to a local architect and making him one of the richest residents.

In the late 1980s, a Niagara Architect and his partner pitched Disney for a themed "All Pro Sports" complex in Orlando. Disney turned the guys down but a few years later started construction on Disney's Wide World of Sports using many of the Canadian firm's ideas.

They were awarded $240 million. Not sure what the final payout was but Edward Russell owns Niagara South airport off the QEW and even owns vintage WW2 era airplanes. So I'm sure it was tens of millions even after hefty legal fees hiring Johnnie Cochran and one of the best lawyers in Florida to help fight Disney.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadi...isney-1.227706

More on the case
https://www.canadianarchitect.com/ar...se-commentary/

Moncton Rad, you paid substantially more for your family's dream Disney vacation than the widower of that wrongful death lawsuit is asking (~$50k USD) from them

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I went to Disney World this last spring for the third time. This time we footed the entire bill for myself, my wife, our three sons, two significant others and two grandchildren (nine people). We booked two villa level suites at the Animal Kingdom Lodge for eight days, got seven day multipark passes, and full meal packages for all nine people, and, paid for flights to and from Florida. Now, convert the cost from USD to CDN, and try to imagine just how much it cost.

Try harder.

Harder still..............



But, a fun time was had by all.

Thank God I'm a rich doctor.

$50 K CDN is my guess. To each their own but it wouldn't be something I would spend that amount of money on. I've been to Disney when I was about 15 and then when our kids were about 5 and 9 and that trip was for them and I just endured it. I'm not a Disney person in the least but my sil/bil are pure Disney people. They've been as adults on their own and went on a Disney cruise to the West Indies where you go to a bubble island where you don't have to see the real West Indies (just a squeaky clean version).

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

I reckon Disneyworld is fun for kids. For adults....well, I don't care for rides. I have no tolerance for queuing in the hot Floridian sun for hours, or paying 16$USD for a hotdog. I heard from colleagues that budgeting for the "Magic Kingdom" for a family of four is something like $2K per day.

And there is no beach in Orlando.

I'd rather be just about anywhere else in Europe or Asia.

I've been to Florida. Meh.

Now Hawaii, that's a place that is worth the insane prices. So much so, that I have been there four times (2001-Oahu, 2005-Maui [Honeymoon], 2011-"Big Island", 2024-Kauai).

So where would Hawaii be in terms of Bari. Greater place to visit or nothing compares to Bari and its retail delights?

We agree on so many levels on this.

I've never been to Vegas but have been to Monte Carlo and saw people spending their savings there.

My favourite places in the USA would be Washington/Oregon and Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine and Colorado/Utah

[Wigs]

Molson, if one can only visit Hawaii once in their life, which Island do you recommend? Or do you recommend visiting a couple?

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

I've been to Florida. Meh.

Crescent Beach on Siesta Key is paradisiacal. Or it was. I went there every Christmas for a couple of decades, starting in '77 when I was a toddler, and ending when my dear dad got sick and could no longer make the trip. I think it is perhaps a scosche overcrowded cheek-by-jowl with midrise hotels nowadays, but still nice. For the longest time, we stayed at a place called Sea Castle at the southern end of the beach, a modest one-storey motel with a large private beach and a warm Gulf-front pool. They were not lavish accommodations, but perfect for us. It was replaced about ten years ago by a six-storey, very expensive Hyatt, or similar. Sea Castle simply took up too much valuable real estate for the money it was taking in.
The main problem with Florida is the people. You have literal swamp-dwelling neo-Nazis mingling with regular folk. One feels like someone from another planet when one walks into, say, a Steak 'n' Shake diner in northern Florida. But some of the beaches are glorious.
Went to Disney World in '84. Didn't think much of it as a kid, so I have less than zero interest in going back.

[O-tacular]

Had my honeymoon in LA and visited Disneyland. Got to see a taping of one of the last years of the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and Jennifer Aniston as a guest. Went again a few years later. Maybe it’s the kid in me but I love amusement parks.

Kind of freaked out by the implications of Disney +’s terms and conditions now though. Yikes! When we visited the site claimed they had food for celiacs. That very quickly was revealed to be a lie when none of the restaurants seemed to have any idea about gluten free food. We always packed stuff we could eat along with us. Also ate at the PF Chang’s every night while we were staying in Anaheim.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Wigs

Molson, if one can only visit Hawaii once in their life, which Island do you recommend? Or do you recommend visiting a couple?

Before the fire, definitely Maui (for a couple: very romantic place). Beautiful island of contrasts (wet side, dry side), fantastic beaches, yet sufficiently populated to have a wide array of amenities. The Road to Hana, and the drive up Haleakala Volcano (to see the sun rise below you) should not be missed. You will not run out of things to do. Waves can be dangerous in the winter months on the windward side.

Kauai is the most beautiful of all, but it is more remote and doesn't have quite the variety of attractions that Maui has (due to the population of the latter being 2.5 times greater). In terms of sheer beauty, Kauai cannot be beaten. It is the island where most of the Jurassic Park sequences were filmed. The north shore beaches, Waimea canyon, Queen's Bath, the mountain lookouts...just jaw-dropping. Crazy waves on the North shore in winter.

The Big Island is really very big: bigger than all other Hawaiian islands combined. I drove everywhere. The big attraction is the volcanoes (amazing), and to a lesser extent, the rainforests on the windward side. Extreme climate differences between windward and leeward sides.

With a million people Oahu is so crowded, and Waikiki beach is about as wide as an upstairs hallway. The north shore of Oahu has great beaches (not to be trifled with in the winter months...the waves nearly killed me). Lots of shopping options, targeted towards the upscale Japanese tourist.

[niwell]

I haven't been to the Big Island so can't speak to that but when we went to Hawaii we spent 3 days each in Oahu / Maui and then 8 in Kauai (uncle-in-law owns a condo there). If we get a chance to go back I'd skip Maui - it's beautiful but I got the distinct impression that residents did NOT want you there. Did get to visit Lahaina before it sadly burned to the ground though.

Kauai was incredible and much more chill - would go back in a heartbeat. I think Oahu is worth seeing as well, even if just for a couple days. Honolulu is a fascinating city even though it's not without it's issues. Incredible food scene too.

[Nashe]

Originally Posted by Wigs

Molson, if one can only visit Hawaii once in their life, which Island do you recommend? Or do you recommend visiting a couple?

Jumping in here even though I wasn't invited. (Been there 5 times)
They're all great. Kauai is the most beautiful, IMHO.

Big Island = Raw nature + volcanoes. The view of the world from way up Mauna Kea is amazing.
Oahu = General Hawaii vibes and lots of tourists, but you get to watch big surf, in the right seasons. Hippeeeeeesssss!
Maui = More chill than Oahu and the best beaches. Sunrise from Haleakala.
Kauai = Green, lush, rocky and dramatic. Quiet, but absolutely gorgeous.
Lanai = A day trip from Maui. Desolate and dry. Not a must-see.

Regardless of which island you go to, you will take pictures that you will later deem unreal looking. The contrasts of blue sky to green foliage to black rock to white surf and back to blue water is breath-taking. Waterfalls everywhere.

[cranes]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

I've been to Florida. Meh.

Take It Back!

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[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

$50 K CDN is my guess.

A bit north of that, but a good guess.

3x Disney is a charm, but my granddaughter was only just one year old when we were there, so she didn't really get the benefit of it. I could see going back one more time when she is about 6-7 years old (prime Disney princess age), but I would be about 72 years old at that time.

There is a shit load of walking at the Disney parks, and this gets less and less fun as you get older. I will likely have a couple more grandchildren to come, but, if I go when I'm 72, that will likely be it.

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

A bit north of that, but a good guess.

3x Disney is a charm, but my granddaughter was only just one year old when we were there, so she didn't really get the benefit of it. I could see going back one more time when she is about 6-7 years old (prime Disney princess age), but I would be about 72 years old at that time.

There is a shit load of walking at the Disney parks, and this gets less and less fun as you get older. I will likely have a couple more grandchildren to come, but, if I go when I'm 72, that will likely be it.

An expensive vacation but to each their own. You sound like the 'fun grandpa'. I agree with you that a one year old won't remember the trip. I travelled before I was 5 from the UK to Canada to the USA and in Norway and France and only have distant memories of the Norway and France trips and it is only really due to seeing photos of me in places there.

I'm sure that Disney has found lots of ways for parents to part with their money for 6 year old Princesses in waiting.

[MolsonExport]

Clockzilla represent!! https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...0&postcount=16

[Nashe]

I'm gonna buck the tone of the thread and admit that my wife and I rather love Disney parks, even if we agree they are exploitive, expensive, tedious and loud. In the past year we've been to Disneyland in CA, Disneyworld in FL and my wife is now trying to wrangle me over to Disneyland Paris this fall. We ride even the kiddie stuff, and we're middle aged.

[MolsonExport]

I recall when I came back from my first visit to Tokyo. An acquaintance asked with bated breath: "So did you go to Tokyo Disneyland?!?"

I was like: Nope, I went to Tokyo, one of the world's greatest cities, and Disneyland would have been ranked at the very bottom of the thousands of things to see and do in that incredible city.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Nashe

I'm gonna buck the tone of the thread and admit that my wife and I rather love Disney parks, even if we agree they are exploitive, expensive, tedious and loud. In the past year we've been to Disneyland in CA, Disneyworld in FL and my wife is now trying to wrangle me over to Disneyland Paris this fall. We ride even the kiddie stuff, and we're middle aged.

I've been to the Smithsonian, to the Louvre, to the British Museum. I've been to the Highlands of Scotland. I've walked the shores of Lake Lucerne. I've been to the top of the Eiffel Tower (and the CN Tower for that matter). I've been to the red light district in Amsterdam. I've ridden the Chunnel train. I've visited Stonehenge. I've been to Banff, Jasper, and the Icefield Parkway, the Bahamas and Bermuda, and, a bunch of other places.

Disney World still has it's own distinct charms.........

[niwell]

I begged my parents to take me to Disneyland/world as a kid but we went to Mexico and the Caribbean instead. Wasn't happy at the time but looking back I'm glad I got to visit places that are considerably less affordable today.

Don't think I'll ever make it to a Disney park but who knows. I do love rides but Canada's Wonderland ranks #3 in the world for number of roller coasters (will be #2 next summer) so I don't have to go far to enjoy them.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I've been to the Smithsonian, to the Louvre, to the British Museum. I've been to the Highlands of Scotland. I've walked the shores of Lake Lucerne. I've been to the top of the Eiffel Tower (and the CN Tower for that matter). I've been to the red light district in Amsterdam. I've ridden the Chunnel train. I've visited Stonehenge. I've been to Banff, Jasper, and the Icefield Parkway, the Bahamas and Bermuda, and, a bunch of other places.

Disney World still has it's own distinct charms.........

You and I have a lot of overlap on our travel experiences.

[Nashe]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

You and I have a lot of overlap on our travel experiences.

Same. I've been a bunch of those places too. But I never travel for the same reasons each time. Sometimes it's to learn/explore. Sometimes just to turn your brain off (all inclusive). Other times to feel like a kid. Hmmm... makes me wanna create a "Canadians Travel the World" thread....