PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread X - Page 356

PhilliesPhan · #**7101** Posted **Jul 8, 2024, 4:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Redddog

If I was a hotelier, I'd be looking HARD at Philly. This town could fill 3 more hotels to capacity right now. U City, Center City, Old City... All could use one or more. It's crazy.

A hotel on or near Temple's campus would also do extremely well. If you're a parent of a Temple student, then your only on-campus option is The Conwell Inn. I would love to see Temple demolish the Student Health Services building at 1700 North Broad and replace it with a nice hotel fronting the NW corner of Broad and Cecil B. Moore.

TK2001 · #**7102** Posted **Jul 9, 2024, 2:32 PM**

Philadelphia skyline 4th of July by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

TK2001 · #**7103** Posted **Jul 9, 2024, 2:35 PM**

Philadelphia 1986-Bill Harris by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Philadelphia 1986-Bill Harris by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

These shots were taken around April 1986. How do I know? The trees are freshly bloomed in these shots, and One Commerce Square (seen under construction) didn't top out until June 6, 1986. One Liberty Place is roughly four to eight stories high at the time of these photographs, just before it poked into the skyline

Philadelphia skyline 1986 by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr
I found this shot on Facebook, taken possibly around late June or early July 1986. That crane you see near the middle is One Liberty Place

Redddog · #**7104** Posted **Jul 9, 2024, 2:50 PM**

Cool stuff, man.

Radio5 · #**7105** Posted **Jul 9, 2024, 4:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by TK2001

Philadelphia 1986-Bill Harris by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

I found this shot on Facebook, taken possibly around late June or early July 1986. That crane you see near the middle is One Liberty Place

It looks like there were more trees on the parkway back then, am i crazy?

TK2001 · #**7106** Posted **Jul 9, 2024, 4:20 PM**

This should help

Philadelphia-Bill Harris by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Philadelphia-Bill Harris by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

These images come from a book published by Bill Harris, this was published at the end of 1986. However he has another one that was published in 1990, and features One Liberty Place. I hope there's more out there

Mr Saturn64 · #**7107** Posted **Jul 10, 2024, 3:39 AM**

Man, the gentlemen's agreement really held us back. Provincial thinking at its worst. Philly doesn't look remotely as big as it did in those pictures. I wonder if anyone knows about pre-Liberty Place attempts to break it. I know about Louis Kahn's City Tower, which would have been ugly but part of me wishes it was built just for the sake of architectural revolution.

SEFTA · #**7108** Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 2:39 PM**

I can't believe I've never seen this before.
I love the park setting
There's so many things I love in this concept

by , on Flickr

Arch+Eng · #**7109** Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 3:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by SEFTA

I can't believe I've never seen this before.
I love the park setting
There's so many things I love in this concept

by , on Flickr

It's not bad. I would have preferred a Wendy's but... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

bdurk · #**7110** Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 3:18 PM**

I think a Walmart with a big parking lot, a Wendy's drive thru, and a Crown Fried Chicken would've been better but to each their own. Jk that is an incredible rendering, is that the Durst project or a separate proposal??

Redddog · #**7111** Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by bdurk

I think a Walmart with a big parking lot, a Wendy's drive thru, and a Crown Fried Chicken would've been better but to each their own. Jk that is an incredible rendering, is that the Durst project or a separate proposal??

LOL.

I was just in that Walmart parking lot yesterday while my lady ran into grab something quick. It is absolutely wild how Philly has screwed the river front.

BroadandMarket · #**7112** Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 6:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by SEFTA

I can't believe I've never seen this before.
I love the park setting
There's so many things I love in this concept

by , on Flickr

Yeah I mean that was a cool one but that development group had never built anything close to this. It was a bid from Penn's Landing Community Partners who were made up of:
Republic Family of Companies.
Keystone Property Group.
Hersha Hotels & Resorts.
Parkway Development.
Toll Brothers.

Durst proposal was still the coolest looking one IMO. The tallest looks to be around 700 feet. A 700 footer on the waterfront would look so awesome, especially coming over the bridge.

bdurk · #**7113** Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 7:07 PM**

Yea it would be amazing. We have a great opportunity to make a super recognizable second skyline from Camden and I hope we don't mess it up. If I recall correctly the Durst proposal also had a really cool design for the affordable housing portion of it to the south of those towers. The roofs created a twisting design between the six buildings I believe. Add some vibrant night lighting to all of those towers and we have a new iconic view from Camden.

Urbanthusiat · #**7114** Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 7:15 PM**

It probably never made sense for the Durst project to start until the park was substantially complete anyway, and especially so with interest rates where they are now. Hopefully by the time 2026 rolls around and the park is most of the way done, interest rates are lower and Durst can get started with the project so that when it delivers, it can attract tenants with a beautiful park next to it.

BroadandMarket · #**7115** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 2:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

It probably never made sense for the Durst project to start until the park was substantially complete anyway, and especially so with interest rates where they are now. Hopefully by the time 2026 rolls around and the park is most of the way done, interest rates are lower and Durst can get started with the project so that when it delivers, it can attract tenants with a beautiful park next to it.

The thing that worries me most with them is that even when the interest rates were good, they did nothing will all of their properties on Delaware Ave. They own 3 piers including D&B, Morgan's Pier and the marina pier next to it and then the stalled tower across the street. They only thing they've done in Philly is close the functioning and aesthetically pleasing marina and build a foundation.

SEFTA · #**7116** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 2:59 PM**

I sure would like to see something being developed to coincide with the park opening.
Durst owning all these properties doesn't instill confidence.

Redddog · #**7117** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 3:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

The thing that worries me most with them is that even when the interest rates were good, they did nothing will all of their properties on Delaware Ave. They own 3 piers including D&B, Morgan's Pier and the marina pier next to it and then the stalled tower across the street. They only thing they've done in Philly is close the functioning and aesthetically pleasing marina and build a foundation.

Truth. We had a boat in that marina. It was amazing. There were probably 12-20 boats in that place that people lived on year round. One day about a week before they opened in the spring, they sent a letter out saying you had to be gone. They gave us 7 days. People were crushed. They said it was for survey work to begin but they never did any of it.

I find it hilarious when people try to figure out what Durst is gonna do. I find it even mor hilarious that people think they're ever gonna break ground on the Riverfront. They are sellers. And they're waiting for the market to get to a certain level. The DRWC is on crack if they think Durst is ever gonna build anything.

3rd&Brown · #**7118** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 6:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Redddog

Truth. We had a boat in that marina. It was amazing. There were probably 12-20 boats in that place that people lived on year round. One day about a week before they opened in the spring, they sent a letter out saying you had to be gone. They gave us 7 days. People were crushed. They said it was for survey work to begin but they never did any of it.

I find it hilarious when people try to figure out what Durst is gonna do. I find it even mor hilarious that people think they're ever gonna break ground on the Riverfront. They are sellers. And they're waiting for the market to get to a certain level. The DRWC is on crack if they think Durst is ever gonna build anything.

Durst Org should be banned from developing anything in Philly ever again. At least anything that has to do with an official RFP related to the city or any other government agency.

Redddog · #**7119** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 6:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Durst Org should be banned from developing anything in Philly ever again. At least anything that has to do with an official RFP related to the city or any other government agency.

Absolutely crazy that the DRWC would partner with that group. They have a well established reputation for this bull$hit.

BroadandMarket · #**7120** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Redddog

Truth. We had a boat in that marina. It was amazing. There were probably 12-20 boats in that place that people lived on year round. One day about a week before they opened in the spring, they sent a letter out saying you had to be gone. They gave us 7 days. People were crushed. They said it was for survey work to begin but they never did any of it.

I find it hilarious when people try to figure out what Durst is gonna do. I find it even mor hilarious that people think they're ever gonna break ground on the Riverfront. They are sellers. And they're waiting for the market to get to a certain level. The DRWC is on crack if they think Durst is ever gonna build anything.

I agree with everything but they don't own the Penn's Landing spot if I recall correctly. DRWC owns that land and awarded them to bid to develop it. Yes to the other spots though, they are sellers on D&B, Morgan's Pier the marina pier and the other big lot.