The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[darkharbour]

[DyAm00394]

This notice was posted on the city's website:

"PROPOSED MUNICIPAL PLAN AMENDMENT / Spruce Lake Industrial Park Expansion

Public Notice is hereby given that the Common Council of The City of Saint John intends to consider an amendment to the Municipal Development Plan that would:

1. Redesignate on Schedule A of the Municipal Development Plan land having an approximate area of 421 hectares identified as portions of PIDs 55243596, 55233456, 55243588, and 55237077, from Park and Natural Area, Rural Resource, Employment Area, and Stable Area (outside of the Primary Development Area) to Employment Area (within the Primary Development Area), as illustrated below;

2. Redesignate on Schedule B of the Municipal Development Plan land having an approximate area of 421 hectares identified as portions of PIDs 55243596, 55233456, 55243588, and 55237077, from Park and Natural Area, Rural Resource, Heavy Industrial, and Rural Residential (outside of the Primary Development Area) to Heavy Industrial (within the Primary Development Area), as illustrated below;



REASON FOR CHANGE:

To include the site within the Primary Development Area and the Heavy Industrial designation to allow for the expansion of the Spruce Lake Industrial Park.

A public presentation of the proposed amendment will take place at a regular meeting of Common Council, to be held in the Council Chamber at City Hall on Monday, July 8, 2024. Written objections to the proposed amendment may be made to the Council, in care of the undersigned, by Wednesday, August 7, 2024.

Enquiries may be made at the office of the City Clerk or Growth & Community Services, City Hall, 15 Market Square, Saint John, N.B. between the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 6:00 p.m., Monday through Thursday, inclusive, holidays excepted.



Office of the City Clerk
(506) 658-2862 or commonclerk@saintjohn.ca".

https://saintjohn.ca/en/news-and-not...park-expansion

[cdnguys]

So what can we read into this? Prepping area for future development opportunities or a specific project will happen?

[cdnguys]

JDI’s Next Gen new building will be 20 stories high beside the reversing falls bridge. Hopefully they’d consider using a facade other than metal. What’s amazing is once built, the other building on river with plume will be decommissioned and the new building will not have a visible plume. That will be a big change no longer having a cloud maker there.

[cdnguys]

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[Helladog]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

JDI’s Next Gen new building will be 20 stories high beside the reversing falls bridge. Hopefully they’d consider using a facade other than metal. What’s amazing is once built, the other building on river with plume will be decommissioned and the new building will not have a visible plume. That will be a big change no longer having a cloud maker there.

They should design a faux office tower facade.

[Helladog]

Deleted. Redundant post I guess.

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by Helladog

NextGen Renderings

Already posted renderings when they first came out on May 30th along with the new proposed Wood Chip facility on the west side.

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

New renderings of what the westside pulp mill site will look like after the upgrades Irving will be doing are complete.










Website for the NextGen project: https://nextgennb.com/


Renderings of the new proposed wood chip facility on the west side:









Website for the South Bay Chip Facility project: https://southbayproject.com/

[Helladog]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Already posted renderings when they first came out on May 30th along with the new proposed Wood Chip facility on the west side.

My bad. Post deleted.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

JDI’s Next Gen new building will be 20 stories high beside the reversing falls bridge. Hopefully they’d consider using a facade other than metal. What’s amazing is once built, the other building on river with plume will be decommissioned and the new building will not have a visible plume. That will be a big change no longer having a cloud maker there.

Building or structure?

[constructionking]

The gargantuan mill upgrade is possibly among the last things that Saint John needs. 65% increase in output seems extreme. I'd imagine jobs are a small part of the equation and more automation will continue there. The mill is essentially a chemical plant. This will certainly hamper any prospects of residential development in the falls area in the future in what would otherwise be one of the most beautiful urban landscapes in the country.

Not sure what if any design and materials could do to change its grotesque appearance. But removing the IRVING from the facade would be a small win.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by constructionking

The gargantuan mill upgrade is possibly among the last things that Saint John needs. 65% increase in output seems extreme. I'd imagine jobs are a small part of the equation and more automation will continue there. The mill is essentially a chemical plant. This will certainly hamper any prospects of residential development in the falls area in the future in what would otherwise be one of the most beautiful urban landscapes in the country.

Not sure what if any design and materials could do to change its grotesque appearance. But removing the IRVING from the facade would be a small win.

Some takeaways I got was 600 new jobs in the supply chain; increased capacity by using the pulp they currently leave on the forest floor after cutting because they can’t process it; the “cloud maker” building will be decommissioned and no longer any steam visible like you see today; the mill will power itself and sell electricity to the grid (I think I heard 20% will be sent to grid); their current projects ongoing make it environmentally friendly. I agree a faux facade would make it look better. Maybe a 90m Loyalist Man welcoming people to the city (or is that now uncouth these days?)

[DevelopmentAndy]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Some takeaways I got was 600 new jobs in the supply chain; increased capacity by using the pulp they currently leave on the forest floor after cutting because they can’t process it; the “cloud maker” building will be decommissioned and no longer any steam visible like you see today; the mill will power itself and sell electricity to the grid (I think I heard 20% will be sent to grid); their current projects ongoing make it environmentally friendly. I agree a faux facade would make it look better. Maybe a 90m Loyalist Man welcoming people to the city (or is that now uncouth these days?)

I wonder how many jobs are really created as opposed to the jobs created in Fort Edward, New York, Toronto, Ontario and Macon Georgia. I know when they put a huge investment in Georgia a while back they said "Most of the pulp for Macon products comes from our mill in Saint John, New Brunswick" Wow, nothing to be proud of there,

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by constructionking

The gargantuan mill upgrade is possibly among the last things that Saint John needs. 65% increase in output seems extreme. I'd imagine jobs are a small part of the equation and more automation will continue there. The mill is essentially a chemical plant. This will certainly hamper any prospects of residential development in the falls area in the future in what would otherwise be one of the most beautiful urban landscapes in the country.

Not sure what if any design and materials could do to change its grotesque appearance. But removing the IRVING from the facade would be a small win.

This is insane. They're not doing this for funsies. It's a massive investment in the mill's future. Thousands of Saint john residents earn good wages there. Should they be on the dole or in the service sector? Should we produce nothing here? Peddle this luddism elsewhere.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

This is insane. They're not doing this for funsies. It's a massive investment in the mill's future. Thousands of Saint john residents earn good wages there. Should they be on the dole or in the service sector? Should we produce nothing here? Peddle this luddism elsewhere.

[DyAm00394]

I see Telegraph Journal has a new article about a transportation and distribution park may be coming to Saint John.

“Saint John’s regional growth agency has hired a businesses services agency to study the future construction of a multimodal transportation and distribution park in the Saint John region.

Over the last two years an emphasis has been placed on developing the port to use several forms of transportation to create a seamless mode of importing and exporting into the region. Multimodal formats are currently being used in Vancouver, Boston and New York and involve marine and land transportation, and in the coming months Deloitte will conduct stakeholder interviews and begin exploratory research to develop a timeline and identify suitable locations and timelines.

The company will also assess existing infrastructure and identify required investments to help show its economic benefits clearly.

In a release Envision Saint John CEO Andrew Beckett called the potential park an opportunity that only comes along once in a generation.

Beckett added in the release that partners in the project include Envision Saint John, as well as the City of Saint John, Port of Saint John and the Saint John Airport. Additional funding to carry out the business case was secured from the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency (ACOA) and the Regional Development Corporation (RDC).

It is expected that the study will find potential locations and indicate how a new facility can be utilized in conjunction with existing transportation infrastructure.

The federal government is providing $100,000 to support a land inventory assessment and a transportation and logistics assessment, as well as a market study, a jurisdictional comparison and industry consultations. The province is putting up $100,000 through the RDC.

Deloitte’s study is expected to be completed in 2024”.

https://tj.news/saint-john-south/tra...-to-saint-john

[DyAm00394]

Two new apartment buildings, (with 70-units each), are proposed for Nason Road / Martha Avenue.

(This was included in this upcoming City Council meeting on Monday July 8th, 2024).
https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeeting...cumentId=18243

[cdnguys]

Plans for apartments on Sandy Pt Rd near Fieldstone Estates is being changed from two 60 unit buildings to one 80 unit building. Public hearing delayed until September.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Plans for apartments on Sandy Pt Rd near Fieldstone Estates is being changed from two 60 unit buildings to one 80 unit building. Public hearing delayed until September.

Not sure what to make of that. Numbers didn't work for two smaller buildings maybe? Lack of financing availability for the larger number of units?

Wouldn't think it would be a forecasted reduction in demand.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Not sure what to make of that. Numbers didn't work for two smaller buildings maybe? Lack of financing availability for the larger number of units?

Wouldn't think it would be a forecasted reduction in demand.

I wonder if it’s from feedback from nearby residents. From a $ perspective, it makes sense to have all the infrastructure cost sunk into one building instead of duplicating it. Demand is increasing - the StatCan Labour report released 2 days ago now showing growth at an annualized rate of 3.5% adding 400 in the month of June alone. That kind of growth is 2018 Moncton growth which is awesome for us.