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That last article sounds like LeBreton is the Sens number one choice, ad the whole "keeping their options open" is really only in case LeBreton falls through.

I agree bartlebooth, if the Sens want enough land for development to help fund the arena, LeBreton (or Bayview Yards) are the only options. Not only would any Downtown Downtown option offer far less land, but it also adds the exorbitant cost of demolition and, if a second block is added, moving utilities around a future arena.

LeBreton is a blank slate with plenty of land to stretch out and build a proper housing, office and entertainment district. Any utilities, archeological digs and decontamination will likely be done by the NCC before the land is transferred (be it leased or sold).
Hasn't a lot of the decontamination been done already? I seem to remember them bringing tons and tons of dirt away for almost a decade. Was that just for the eastern parts of Lebreton?
Continuing the conversation here.

I'm not clear on which parts of the Flats have been decontaminated so far. I would imagine that decontamination would be part of any negotiations.

I'm guessing the site of the arena proposal isn't as they did archaeological digs a few months ago. Had that been decontaminated, I imagine any heritage elements would be gone by now.

Based on Google Maps and GeoOttawa, I'm guessing everything north of the Aqueduct has been decontaminated along with the area between the O-Train and Albert, east of Broad Street (bridge is all that's left of said street, between Preston and Rochester). If I'm correct, all that's left is the block between Preston and Broad, the arena site and the bus lay-by.

My guess is that the Sens will be offered the entire land south of the O-Train between Bayview and Pimisi.
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Another reason for a Sens move to LeBreton over any CBD site is visibility. With the planned park at LeBreton, the arena will always have a choice position in the skyline.
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LeBreton Flats still ideal site for Senators arena, NCC says
As team presents to board, commission's CEO confident site has everything they want

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Apr 18, 2024 3:00 PM EDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago


As negotiations with the Ottawa Senators over an arena drag on, the National Capital Commission (NCC) says LeBreton Flats is still the ideal spot for the team and there are no major roadblocks to reaching a deal.

"We think it's an excellent site," said NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum on Thursday. "I think the Senators think it's an excellent site."

Nussbaum said the two sides are still meeting on a regular basis, and the NHL club was set to update the NCC board Thursday during a closed-door session.

He said there are "no major sticking points," but the Senators are still ironing out the financial plan to pursue what's expected to be a massively expensive undertaking.

"Obviously, a project like that is a very significant investment of private dollars," said Nussbaum.

"My sense is there is a lot of work underway on their side to determine all the major facets of that. So that, to me, is a very important element of this that is taking time."

The NCC and Senators-led Capital Sports Development Inc. signed a memorandum of understanding in June 2022 toward bringing an arena to the Albert Street site that's currently just west of downtown.

The commission later extended it until this August after Michael Andlauer's ownership group took the club's reins.

Nussbaum said he's hoping to see a lease deal signed by Sept. 1 — though he was clear it's not a do-or-die ultimatum.

"There will be a point at which we'll either have to have a lease or not," said Nussbaum. "I can't say with 100 per cent certainty when that is. Is it in September? I certainly hope so."

But Nussbaum said there is a backup plan for the site, located between Preston Street and City Centre Avenue, that would be focused on a mixed-use development with housing.

Mayor Mark Sutcliffe has previously mentioned the possibility of a downtown arena as part of efforts to revitalize an area hit hard by the federal work-from-home trend.

He appeared to gently refloat that idea following this week's federal budget, when he speculated that the federal government's rush to offload underused properties could open space for major attractions in the downtown core.

"If there's an opportunity to take a piece of land that the federal government doesn't want anymore and have that be the site for an attraction — and an attraction can be a lot of different things, maybe that's an arena and maybe it's not — [then] we need to look at that," said Sutcliffe who did not mention any specific properties while addressing reporters Wednesday.

In Nussbaum's view, the pace of development at LeBreton Flats means the distinction between the area and downtown Ottawa "is really going to disappear over the coming years."

"The Senators are very clear that being in that sector, being in the downtown sector, including LeBreton Flats, offers many different opportunities from [the Canadian Tire Centre in Kanata]," he said.

In a statement to Radio-Canada, the hockey team said it had no updates to offer on its negotiations with the NCC.

LeBreton Flats checks every major box for the Sens, Nussbaum said, including being big enough for the "arena district" the team is looking for and having "extraordinary transit access" with connections to both rail lines through Bayview Station.

Plus, it has easy access to a whole other market on the other side of the river, he added.

"They talk a lot about the advantages of proximity to the city of Gatineau, which opens up, I think, an enlarged market for them," said Nussbaum.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/le...te-for-senators-arena-ncc-says-1.7177619
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LeBreton 'Plan B' in wings if arena talks with Senators fail, NCC says
"There's no question that there will be a point at which we will either have a lease or not."

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 18, 2024 • Last updated 13 hours ago • 3 minute read


The clock is ticking on the Ottawa Senators and the National Capital Commission has a “Plan B” ready to go if the team decides not to build a new arena on LeBreton Flats, NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum says.

Nussbaum had no significant update to offer on the negotiations after Thursday’s NCC board meeting, although he said talks were continuing and he was optimistic a deal could be reached to move the National Hockey League team downtown.

Last fall, the NCC gave the Senators’ new owner, Michael Andlauer, an extra year to make a decision on LeBreton Flats, but Nussbaum said Thursday there was no deadline for a deal.

“There’s no question that there will be a point at which we will either have a lease or not. I can’t say with 100 per cent certainty when that is. Is it in September? I certainly hope so,” Nussbaum told reporters. “There’s no ultimatum at this stage, just both sides working in good faith to get this done by the September deadline.”

If a deal isn’t reached, the NCC is ready to forge ahead on its own.

“We were very clear when we approved the master-concept plan back in 2020 that our first hope was to have a major attraction, a major event centre there, but we also indicated that, should that not happen, there is a Plan B for those parcels within LeBreton Flats. Clearly there’s a great need for housing and a great need for mixed-use development in the capital,” Nussbaum said.

The NCC has been talking with the team for a decade about building an arena closer to downtown than its current home base in Kanata. The first deal collapsed after infighting between the development partners. Then the death of former team owner Eugene Melnyk and the sale of the Senators franchise to Andlauer in 2023 stalled negotiations again.

More recently, Mayor Mark Sutcliffe has mused about using federal government land earmarked for transfer to the city in this week’s federal budget as a potential arena site.

“If there’s an opportunity to take a piece of land that the federal government doesn’t want anymore and have that be the site for an attraction, and an attraction can be a lot of different things — maybe that’s an arena, maybe it’s not — but we need to look at that. We need a plan for the future of downtown Ottawa,” Sutcliffe told reporters this week.

Ultimately, it will be up to the Senators to decide if and where the new arena should go, Nussbaum said. He stressed that it was “not a competition” between the NCC and the City of Ottawa to host the team, but he made a strong pitch for LeBreton Flats.

“From a transit perspective, you cannot imagine a better site,” he said. “I think the Senators are very much taken by the fact that LeBreton Flats is growing. It’s going to become part of the downtown core. The distinction between LeBreton Flats and the downtown is really going to disappear over the coming years.”

LeBreton’s proximity to Gatineau also expands the team’s market and is another advantage for LeBreton, Sutcliffe said.

“But, if that should change and the Senators make decision that LeBreton Flats is not the location for them and they have another site in mind … we will graciously step aside and permit that to happen,” he said. “This is not a competition. While an arena is our first choice (for LeBreton Flats) — we’d love to have a major destination on site — if not, we’ve got a plan for a mixed use development along Albert Street and we will proceed apace with the development of LeBreton Flats as a whole.”

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“It’s not a competition”. LOL. Except it was quite literally a competition for the Sens to win preferred bidder status and receive the time allotment to negotiate a lease. Now it’s suddenly not a competition anymore, a few days after the mayor made some public statements.

Everyone is posturing very publicly on this. To be expected I suppose. I’ll guess some on here will think it’s ok for the Feds to be doing it but the mayor is a bad guy for doing same.

I think everyone just needs to shut up from now on and try getting it done. Let us know when there’s real news to share.
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Sens CEO says LeBreton only site for new arena that they’re ‘serious about’

Mia Jensen, OBJ
April 23, 2024 4:20 PM ET


Ottawa Senators president and CEO Cyril Leeder said Tuesday that LeBreton Flats is the only site in serious consideration for the hockey club’s new arena.

Leeder made the remarks during a panel at the City Building Summit, where several business leaders provided updates on major ongoing projects, including the new Civic hospital campus, the airport, and LRT Stage two.

The site for a new arena to replace the 30-year-old Canadian Tire Centre in Kanata has been a topic of speculation for some time. Leeder said the potential project is still in the early planning stages.

“I would say the only one we’ve been focused on right now is LeBreton Flats,” he said in response to an audience question. “Obviously there are other sites within the city and we’ve looked at a number of those. Probably too early to say definitively where the arena is going to go but, at this point, the only site we’re serious about is LeBreton Flats.”

Leeder said a new 800,000-square-foot arena — which the hockey organization, the city, and local stakeholders have said should be constructed downtown — would cost around $1.2 billion to $1.5 billion, with surrounding infrastructure expected to cost three to five times that amount.

“You’re talking about a three- to six-billion-dollar project,” Leeder said. “It’s a big, big project.”

Last week after an NCC board meeting, NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum said talks were continuing with the Ottawa Senators and he was optimistic a deal could be reached to move the National Hockey League team to LeBreton Flats. Nussbaum also suggested that the NCC had a backup plan for the site in case a deal is not reached with the Senators.

Earlier this year in January, the NCC agreed to extend its memorandum of understanding with the Senators to the fall of 2024 to give the two sides more time to negotiate. The MOU was originally slated to expire last fall.

Following previous owner Eugene Melynk’s death nearly two years ago, the Senators were granted preferred-bidder status in June 2022 to negotiate with the NCC on a plan to build an events centre that would be the crown jewel of the Crown corporation’s long-term effort to redevelop the Flats.

While talks have progressed, the process slowed while the Senators sought new ownership. Toronto businessman Michael Andlauer assumed control of the team last September and has been considering his next steps for a new arena.

Andlauer has repeatedly said he believes that relocating the team closer to the city’s core is the right move, but hasn’t explicitly named a preferred site.

After taking over ownership in September, Andlauer described LeBreton, a federally owned site just west of downtown, as “maybe the best piece of land in the inner city probably in North America available for development.”

At that time, Leeder told OBJ that nothing was set in stone on the real estate front. He said the club would carefully assess all potential scenarios – including what can be done to improve the existing building in Kanata – before making a final decision.

“I don’t think we’ve seriously considered anything at this point,” he added in September. “I know there are different people pitching different sites to Michael, but I couldn’t tell you today if you could fit an arena on any of the alternative sites downtown that have been floated. That work hasn’t even taken place yet.”

Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe and other members of the business community have suggested repeatedly that LeBreton is not the only viable option for a downtown rink, noting that the federal government’s plan to offload aging downtown office towers could open up new pockets of land for development in the core.

– With files from David Sali

https://obj.ca/sens-ceo-lebreton-flats-only-site-new-arena/
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That is excellent news!
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Hurdles in the way for the Senators to make a deal at LeBreton Flats

Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 24, 2024 • Last updated 2 hours ago • 4 minute read


The Ottawa Senators are serious about making a deal with the National Capital Commission to move to LeBreton Flats, but there are still hurdles both sides need to overcome to make that happen.

As the debate continues to rage on about where the club should build a new rink, Senators president and chief executive officer Cyril Leeder told those attending a city building summit organized by the Ottawa Board of Trade on Tuesday the club’s sole focus is on making a deal at LeBreton Flats.

“The only site we’re really focused on right now has been LeBreton Flats,” Leeder told the conference Tuesday afternoon. “There are other sites in the city. We’ve looked at a number of those. Probably too early to say definitively where the arena’s going to go, but at this point the only site we are really serious with is LeBreton Flats.”

The clock is ticking on the Senators and the National Capital Commission to get a lease agreement in place to build a new rink on the site, which is located 10 minutes West of Parliament Hill.

Senators owner Michael Andlauer and his partners have been given an extension until September by NCC chief executive officer Tobi Nussbaum to get a lease agreement in place.

While representatives of the two sides continue bi-weekly meetings to try to get a lease agreement in place, league sources told Postmedia on Wednesday there are issues to be settled in this negotiation, not the least of which is the size of the parcel of land.

The NCC has set aside a seven-acre piece of land on Albert Street between Preston Street and City Centre, just west of Ottawa’s new central library, which is now under construction.

By comparison, the Canadian Tire Centre and the surrounding parking lots sit on 75 acres.

Under the current scenario at LeBreton, sources say the Senators are concerned they have little to no room for public parking and the organization would have to rely on light-rail transit.

As we know, the LRT system is troubled, to say the least, and yes it will get figured out someday, but the Senators don’t want that to be the only way in and out of the rink. The club also wants space for an arena district with bars and restaurants as a gathering place.

Nussbaum said the NCC has room for flexibility.

We’re not sure exactly what that is, but you have to think since the site is wide open, it likely has to be closer to the 13.5-acres that city of Ottawa is offering up at Bayview Yards.

Let’s face it, both sides want to get something done, but the NCC is motivated to make this happen after 10 years of trying to get the Senators to move closer to downtown.

“They’ve been very clear with us that their vision is for an arena district,” Nussbaum said. “We have set a fairly significant parcel of land aside in the (memorandum of understanding) for them to construct the buildings they want from a blank slate.

“I’ve said in the past that we have some flexibility from the initial parcel that was subject to the MOU in 2022 to build on is another reason why twice in the last decade they’ve focused on this site.”

The NCC also has strict green requirements on the new building, which will add to the costs. That’s part of the reason Andlauer and his partners visited Climate Pledge Arena in Seattle in December because it boasts on its website that “it’s the most sustainable arena in the world.”

Nussbaum noted last week that September isn’t a hard deadline, but sooner or later the two sides have to determine whether they’re going to go ahead.

“There’s no question that there will be a point at which we’ll either have to have a lease or not. I can’t say with 100% certainty when that is in September. I certainly hope so. That’s our hope,” Nussbaum said following the club’s public board of directors meeting last Thursday.

“Should (the rink) not happen, there is a Plan B for those parcels within LeBreton Flats. If the two sides aren’t able to come to an agreement or the Senators make a decision that they’re not going to build there, then we’ll move to our second option. But I can’t say for sure.

“Is it going to be Sept. 1? There’s no ultimatum, just both sides working in good faith to get this done by the September deadline.”

The Senators won preferred bidder status in June 2022 to build at LeBreton.

That hasn’t stopped the Senators from listening to and looking at other options in the city, especially some that have been presented by Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe in the past 12 months.

Leeder told the summit that he expects the rink would come in somewhere in the $1.2-billion range. The expectation is the club will need help from all levels of government, including federal, provincial and the city.

“Whatever we do with the NCC has to lead to a viable project,” Leeder said. “Something we can finance, something we can build that will work with us in the long term. It’s got to work for us and our fans.”

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#LoopBreton? A new home for the Sens is just the start of the vision for these students

Sarah MacFarlane, OBJ
April 26, 2024 3:02 PM ET




An NHL hockey arena might only be the start for LeBreton Flats, if a group of Carleton University students has anything to say about it.

A student-designed concept for the high-profile site breaks all the moulds of traditional Ottawa city-building, and instructor and local architect Jay Lim says he hopes the project will spark “brave and bold ideas.”

Lim is the founder and lead designer of Ottawa-based 25:8 Architecture + Urban Design. He has been teaching at Carleton University’s Azrieli School of Architecture and Urbanism for about 14 years. This year, he’s been teaching a fourth-year architecture design studio course called “25:8 City_Urban Trialities”

This semester, Lim’s students produced a concept so “groundbreaking” that it could inform and inspire current discussions around LeBreton Flats as a site for entertainment, including a potential NHL hockey arena, along with many other activities.

As a six-week exercise in vision and research, Lim challenged his students to design a space that “could be active 25 hours a day, 8 days a week,” drawing on his firm’s ethos that a city can operate beyond the norm.

“For most cities, things have to be separate. Your house is separate from your work, which is separate from play,” explained Lim. “We wanted to combine it all, serving three elements in one building. This class was meant to stimulate that conversation.

“But we needed a site.”

The 16-student class selected LeBreton Flats as the master site for their project, Lim said, recognizing the opportunity that the land offered.

“That site has been through so much and we saw that there’s an opportunity here to change the conversation.”

The result is the 25:8 City, also dubbed #LoopBreton, a “radical conceptual shift” that allows multiple services and amenities to occupy the same space while creating an iconic and eye-catching city hub.

The masterplan features university campuses, movie theatres, housing, recreational space, entertainment, retail and commercial space, and a landmark 45-metre observation wheel and museum. And, of course, a hockey arena.

25:8 City plans also include dedicated space for Bluesfest and an eye-catching pedestrian loop that creates a walkable, 15-minute-neighbourhood. There is waterfront access, a parking garage, a youth hostel, a retirement home and a hotel. The options are nearly endless, with revitalized aqueduct infrastructure and design inspired by Canada’s landscape.



“What’s so iconic and different with the concept of the 25:8 City is that it shows Ottawa can be more than a conservative, safe city building-wise,” explained Lim. “It combines multiple programs that we know will go on the site, but with a different way of thinking.”

Instead of assuming “one building, one use,” Lim said his students asked, “How many uses can we get out of one building?”

LeBreton Flats as the future home of the Ottawa Senators, which has dominated city-building discussions for some years, is featured in the masterplan, but with a twist. Rather than building a stadium that might only be in use for concerts and sporting events, the 25:8 City proposes a building that can be repurposed as a movie theatre.

“The students were talking about the concessions at the arena, but what do they all do when the Sens aren’t playing?” said Lim.

“We already have stadium seating, concessions and amenities. Why not?”

Indeed, “why not” was the key question that inspired the project, Lim said. The grocery store transforms into a roller rink at nighttime — “nobody does groceries at 11 p.m.” — and the satellite university campuses for Carleton University and University of Ottawa feature student cafeterias that become full-service restaurants after-hours.

Lim likened the project’s ideas to those introduced on a Paris Fashion Week runway — consumers don’t wear fashions straight from a runway, but the concepts trickle down into everyday life.

While Lim recognizes that the masterplan is far from traditional, he said he hopes it sparks new conversations around city-building — especially as Ottawa looks to revitalize its downtown core and increase tourism.

The site’s most eye-catching feature is a spokeless observation wheel, which is tilted at the same axis as Earth, and offers views of Gatineau and Parliament Hill that are not currently accessible in Ottawa.

“The wheel is architecturally and physically buildable and therefore buildable in real life. We wanted to propose something dynamic and iconic for the city that would make people want to come here, give them an opportunity to see the city in a new way, and become that iconic thing people would want to go to,” said Lim. “The city doesn’t have something like that.”

Given LeBreton’s unique geographical position, Lim said the class wanted to capitalize on it as a “nexus point” between provinces.

“We really wanted to try something new and encourage conversation about something that could be even greater and make this the greatest capital city in the world,” explained Lim. “This was an opportunity to take a blank piece of land to create something to put Ottawa on the map. It solves problems and it stimulates conversations.”

One of the more important conversation-starters is the project’s attention to Indigenous heritage and culture, said Lim. The masterplan is anchored by a gathering space inspired by an Indigenous medicine wheel and buildings are named to acknowledge the site’s Indigenous history.

“We really tried to figure out the history of the site and while we didn’t have time to engage fully with all those stakeholders, it was really top of mind for us,” said Lim. “With more time, we would be engaging local communities to verify, make it better and get that feedback, because there’s a lot of history there that we’d want to celebrate and showcase.”

Lim said the class met with the City of Ottawa and the National Capital Commission to share ideas, which allowed the students to have “real-world” conversations about their project.

The students also took a unique approach to the masterplan itself. Instead of blueprints and posters pinned to a wall, the class created a documentary and book to chronicle the project. The documentary has since been submitted to a film festival, which Lim said is just another step toward having important conversations about Ottawa city-building.

Although Lim said he and his students don’t expect the NCC to adopt the entire proposal for LeBreton Flats, he said the project has offered innovative solutions and ideas that he hopes will inform conversations about the site’s future.

Most of those innovative solutions, he said, can be credited to the imagination and creativity of his students.

“Academia allows us the opportunity to imagine and dream big. This was a hypothetical anchored in a real problem. So many solutions in our world were started hypothetically,” Lim said. “Instead of using the same infrastructure over and over again, we can use academia as a vehicle for research and solutions.

“They were really a fresh set of eyes. Their lack of knowledge didn’t restrain them, they just said, ‘Why not?’” he continued. “I gave them a hard challenge. I asked them to rethink city-building. But they’ve started the conversation and they get an A+ for that.”

As the project gains attention on social media with the hashtag #LoopBreton, garners views at an upcoming film festival, and attracts interest from city councillors, Lim said he considers the 25:8 City to be a job well done.

“There is interest in doing this, or at least doing part of it,” he explained. “Now, who’s going to be the brave one who wants to say, ‘Let’s try it, let’s go for it?’”

The fourth-year 25:8 City_Urban Trialities students behind the project:

Aidan Sosa
Alyssa Pangilinan
Amy Lefebvre
Aram Payroveolia
Anna Emond
Ava Cannizzaro
Conor Nicell
Danielle Pallo
Dharshini Mahesh Babu
Fedaa Mahmoud
Jessica Villarasa
Max Godfrey
Morwarid Safa
Nadine Khatib
Vanessa Jackson
Yuriko Itasaka
Shayan Haghighi

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Pretty cool and all… but will there be free parking?
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Sarah MacFarlane, OBJ
April 26, 2024 3:02 PM ET




An NHL hockey arena might only be the start for LeBreton Flats, if a group of Carleton University students has anything to say about it.

A student-designed concept for the high-profile site breaks all the moulds of traditional Ottawa city-building, and instructor and local architect Jay Lim says he hopes the project will spark “brave and bold ideas.”

Lim is the founder and lead designer of Ottawa-based 25:8 Architecture + Urban Design. He has been teaching at Carleton University’s Azrieli School of Architecture and Urbanism for about 14 years. This year, he’s been teaching a fourth-year architecture design studio course called “25:8 City_Urban Trialities”

This semester, Lim’s students produced a concept so “groundbreaking” that it could inform and inspire current discussions around LeBreton Flats as a site for entertainment, including a potential NHL hockey arena, along with many other activities.

As a six-week exercise in vision and research, Lim challenged his students to design a space that “could be active 25 hours a day, 8 days a week,” drawing on his firm’s ethos that a city can operate beyond the norm.

“For most cities, things have to be separate. Your house is separate from your work, which is separate from play,” explained Lim. “We wanted to combine it all, serving three elements in one building. This class was meant to stimulate that conversation.

“But we needed a site.”

The 16-student class selected LeBreton Flats as the master site for their project, Lim said, recognizing the opportunity that the land offered.

“That site has been through so much and we saw that there’s an opportunity here to change the conversation.”

The result is the 25:8 City, also dubbed #LoopBreton, a “radical conceptual shift” that allows multiple services and amenities to occupy the same space while creating an iconic and eye-catching city hub.

The masterplan features university campuses, movie theatres, housing, recreational space, entertainment, retail and commercial space, and a landmark 45-metre observation wheel and museum. And, of course, a hockey arena.

25:8 City plans also include dedicated space for Bluesfest and an eye-catching pedestrian loop that creates a walkable, 15-minute-neighbourhood. There is waterfront access, a parking garage, a youth hostel, a retirement home and a hotel. The options are nearly endless, with revitalized aqueduct infrastructure and design inspired by Canada’s landscape.



“What’s so iconic and different with the concept of the 25:8 City is that it shows Ottawa can be more than a conservative, safe city building-wise,” explained Lim. “It combines multiple programs that we know will go on the site, but with a different way of thinking.”

Instead of assuming “one building, one use,” Lim said his students asked, “How many uses can we get out of one building?”

LeBreton Flats as the future home of the Ottawa Senators, which has dominated city-building discussions for some years, is featured in the masterplan, but with a twist. Rather than building a stadium that might only be in use for concerts and sporting events, the 25:8 City proposes a building that can be repurposed as a movie theatre.

“The students were talking about the concessions at the arena, but what do they all do when the Sens aren’t playing?” said Lim.

“We already have stadium seating, concessions and amenities. Why not?”

Indeed, “why not” was the key question that inspired the project, Lim said. The grocery store transforms into a roller rink at nighttime — “nobody does groceries at 11 p.m.” — and the satellite university campuses for Carleton University and University of Ottawa feature student cafeterias that become full-service restaurants after-hours.

Lim likened the project’s ideas to those introduced on a Paris Fashion Week runway — consumers don’t wear fashions straight from a runway, but the concepts trickle down into everyday life.

While Lim recognizes that the masterplan is far from traditional, he said he hopes it sparks new conversations around city-building — especially as Ottawa looks to revitalize its downtown core and increase tourism.

The site’s most eye-catching feature is a spokeless observation wheel, which is tilted at the same axis as Earth, and offers views of Gatineau and Parliament Hill that are not currently accessible in Ottawa.

“The wheel is architecturally and physically buildable and therefore buildable in real life. We wanted to propose something dynamic and iconic for the city that would make people want to come here, give them an opportunity to see the city in a new way, and become that iconic thing people would want to go to,” said Lim. “The city doesn’t have something like that.”

Given LeBreton’s unique geographical position, Lim said the class wanted to capitalize on it as a “nexus point” between provinces.

“We really wanted to try something new and encourage conversation about something that could be even greater and make this the greatest capital city in the world,” explained Lim. “This was an opportunity to take a blank piece of land to create something to put Ottawa on the map. It solves problems and it stimulates conversations.”

One of the more important conversation-starters is the project’s attention to Indigenous heritage and culture, said Lim. The masterplan is anchored by a gathering space inspired by an Indigenous medicine wheel and buildings are named to acknowledge the site’s Indigenous history.

“We really tried to figure out the history of the site and while we didn’t have time to engage fully with all those stakeholders, it was really top of mind for us,” said Lim. “With more time, we would be engaging local communities to verify, make it better and get that feedback, because there’s a lot of history there that we’d want to celebrate and showcase.”

Lim said the class met with the City of Ottawa and the National Capital Commission to share ideas, which allowed the students to have “real-world” conversations about their project.

The students also took a unique approach to the masterplan itself. Instead of blueprints and posters pinned to a wall, the class created a documentary and book to chronicle the project. The documentary has since been submitted to a film festival, which Lim said is just another step toward having important conversations about Ottawa city-building.

Although Lim said he and his students don’t expect the NCC to adopt the entire proposal for LeBreton Flats, he said the project has offered innovative solutions and ideas that he hopes will inform conversations about the site’s future.

Most of those innovative solutions, he said, can be credited to the imagination and creativity of his students.

“Academia allows us the opportunity to imagine and dream big. This was a hypothetical anchored in a real problem. So many solutions in our world were started hypothetically,” Lim said. “Instead of using the same infrastructure over and over again, we can use academia as a vehicle for research and solutions.

“They were really a fresh set of eyes. Their lack of knowledge didn’t restrain them, they just said, ‘Why not?’” he continued. “I gave them a hard challenge. I asked them to rethink city-building. But they’ve started the conversation and they get an A+ for that.”

As the project gains attention on social media with the hashtag #LoopBreton, garners views at an upcoming film festival, and attracts interest from city councillors, Lim said he considers the 25:8 City to be a job well done.

“There is interest in doing this, or at least doing part of it,” he explained. “Now, who’s going to be the brave one who wants to say, ‘Let’s try it, let’s go for it?’”

The fourth-year 25:8 City_Urban Trialities students behind the project:

Aidan Sosa
Alyssa Pangilinan
Amy Lefebvre
Aram Payroveolia
Anna Emond
Ava Cannizzaro
Conor Nicell
Danielle Pallo
Dharshini Mahesh Babu
Fedaa Mahmoud
Jessica Villarasa
Max Godfrey
Morwarid Safa
Nadine Khatib
Vanessa Jackson
Yuriko Itasaka
Shayan Haghighi

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not my thing to chime in on student projects, but this is atrocious..
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Getting flashbacks to the DCDLS proposal. There too much going on, trying to be too many things. The mixed-use tower portions seem very disconnected, like they were created separately with no thought about the rest of the project.

Kudos for thinking out of the box and coming up with something original, but in no way realistic or desirable. I still prefer the NCC's (or RVL before that) urban blocks that creates a complete neighbourhood.
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that's the TACKIEST looking thing I've ever seen!
the only thing missing there is Edmonton's bunker library.
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Its giving Hardrock Café Casino/Amusement Park. Not my cup of tea but kudos for thinking outside the box
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Interesting that a group that generally pans most new builds in Ottawa as banal and boring finds this so outrageous that it's atrocious.

It is outside the box thinking and that was the intent. I find it interesting and it pulls at the traditional notions of what should be and how it should look. Is it all realistic? Of course not, but any brainstorming session which this generally appears to be, has some ideas that are beyond farfetched. But at the same time those ideas force people to look at things a little differently. Do I believe that any grocer is going to share active floor space with a grocer as an example, no. But I also think they overlooked the obvious in their plan that if you are going to build a "25/8" community then groceries after 11:00 p.m. should probably be part of that plan.

I'd like to suggest that we encourage this sort of approach as it may get us the city we hope to see.

Lastly, "will there be free parking?" This comment wins the internet for me today!
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Attended the Jane's Walk on Lebreton on the weekend (illegally without a reservation). Not a tonne of new information, but a few tidbits:

- the primary focus for the next couple of years will be Dream Lebreton (occupancy planned for 2026) and the Avenue 31 project along Wellington, which is currently under negotiation.
- the plan is now based on a transit/active transportation spine along the existing pathway and rail line
- there will be no N-S through streets on the site, though several pedestrian/cycling bridges are planned
- they now see the Booth St. configuration as a mistake, as it limits E-W permeability of the site.
-there is a high school design competition underway to feed into the planning of the parks district. The parks district is where it is because it was a former landfill and is not appropriate for development
- the event centre is the other active file. The planners couldn't or wouldn't say where the additional land for the Sens would be

There was also the obligatory outraged boomer complaining about how the event centre was going to be "right between two neighbourhoods" (one of which doesn't even exist). She never did explain what she preferred as a location, but I inferred it would be Pembroke.

Despite the lack of real insight, the walk was a good way to situate the various elements of the plan.
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We must have been standing beside eachother Phil!

That lady was great "right in front of this neighbourhood!? I used to live RIGHT there!" (I wanted to say 'not in front of MY salad' - if you know, you know) As if arenas don't occur in built up environments anywhere else in the world.

The organizers did a good job of explaining rationale up to a certain point. I'm a bit apprehensive on the weight of public consultation and cost limitations/cost sharing for public infrastructure with the new proponents, especially for the wellington site. Who is going to pay for unburying the 2nd aqueduct (who knew there was a 2nd one buried?) and who is going to pay for the pedestrian bridges? Its not a simple bridge to go up and over the Otrain tracks, considering they'll be of the same magnitude as the Clegg Bridge on the canal?

I also want more commercial, they seemed to think the Welldington development wouldn't really have commercial. I don't see a reason why not. They'll be empty and quiet until the remaining site is built up, but in future will provide active use at grade.

I also thought it was interesting that the OCH/CCOC units fronting Albert were on a federal lease, and that the rest of the site would be lease based development. Does this create opportunity for developers to relieve them of some upfront cost/risk? Does the City of Ottawa benefit from the least arrangement to maintain public infrastructure? Or will the NCC be paying the property taxes? How does that work?



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Attended the Jane's Walk on Lebreton on the weekend (illegally without a reservation). Not a tonne of new information, but a few tidbits:

- the primary focus for the next couple of years will be Dream Lebreton (occupancy planned for 2026) and the Avenue 31 project along Wellington, which is currently under negotiation.
- the plan is now based on a transit/active transportation spine along the existing pathway and rail line
- there will be no N-S through streets on the site, though several pedestrian/cycling bridges are planned
- they now see the Booth St. configuration as a mistake, as it limits E-W permeability of the site.
-there is a high school design competition underway to feed into the planning of the parks district. The parks district is where it is because it was a former landfill and is not appropriate for development
- the event centre is the other active file. The planners couldn't or wouldn't say where the additional land for the Sens would be

There was also the obligatory outraged boomer complaining about how the event centre was going to be "right between two neighbourhoods" (one of which doesn't even exist). She never did explain what she preferred as a location, but I inferred it would be Pembroke.

Despite the lack of real insight, the walk was a good way to situate the various elements of the plan.
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We must have been standing beside eachother Phil!

That lady was great "right in front of this neighbourhood!? I used to live RIGHT there!" (I wanted to say 'not in front of MY salad' - if you know, you know) As if arenas don't occur in built up environments anywhere else in the world.

The organizers did a good job of explaining rationale up to a certain point. I'm a bit apprehensive on the weight of public consultation and cost limitations/cost sharing for public infrastructure with the new proponents, especially for the wellington site. Who is going to pay for unburying the 2nd aqueduct (who knew there was a 2nd one buried?) and who is going to pay for the pedestrian bridges? Its not a simple bridge to go up and over the Otrain tracks, considering they'll be of the same magnitude as the Clegg Bridge on the canal?

I also want more commercial, they seemed to think the Welldington development wouldn't really have commercial. I don't see a reason why not. They'll be empty and quiet until the remaining site is built up, but in future will provide active use at grade.

I also thought it was interesting that the OCH/CCOC units fronting Albert were on a federal lease, and that the rest of the site would be lease based development. Does this create opportunity for developers to relieve them of some upfront cost/risk? Does the City of Ottawa benefit from the least arrangement to maintain public infrastructure? Or will the NCC be paying the property taxes? How does that work?
Ha, nice to almost meet you! I was wondering if anyone else from this group would be along for the tour. Then again, my goal that day was to generally lay low in case they decided to check tickets!

Lots of good questions. The planner gave me the general answer that the revenue from the development would pay for the infrastructure like the pedestrian bridges, but you're right that they will come with a significant cost. I have no idea what it costs to unbury the second aqueduct (which I agree is very cool), but she made it sound relatively straightforward.

Agree on the Wellington frontage. Why wouldn't you try to animate that stretch, given the number of large events that take place there? I didn't hear that part, but I hope they reconsider.

As for the leases, I'm no expert, but I think the long term leases function pretty similarly to freehold in that taxes and other obligations flow directly through and are covered by the lessee. I wasn't aware of the scope of the leasehold OCH housing on the south side. Those parcels really scream out for redevelopment when you view them from Lebreton. Though I expect that resources and efforts are going to focus on the Lebreton side.
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