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Old Posted Apr 16, 2024, 1:12 PM
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Now they want 7-storey apartment boxes adjacent or next door. In the right spots those would be fine, but not looming over peoples backyards in every SFH area, which is potentially what could happen. The amazing thing is that the much ballyhooed Centre Plan is essentially tossed out the window after a decade of work because the Feds are dangling a bag of gold in front of Council, which we know will just be pissed away on useless spending by HRM.
I had mentioned before that my family had experienced this very situation many years ago.

My parents were not well off, in fact it's safe to say they struggled financially their entire lives, but they were able to buy a small, old house in the DT Dartmouth area, when the area was in decline and prices were low. While it wasn't much, the house was old and had many problems, the backyard was small, but there was a bit of peacefulness to being in the yard, which backed on a large lot with a formerly grand house on it. My mother loved her gardens, and would spend every free minute during the spring and summer back there, tending her flowers and vegetable plantings. We kids would play back there all the time as well - it was small, but it was our own little piece of the outdoors and life was good, despite the struggles.

One day the old house, on the lot bordering the back side of our yard, was torn down and during the following months an apartment building was constructed, coming just a few feet up to our back fence. It was great that it now housed many people, but it killed the feel of our yard, and our house, actually. The privacy we once had was now taken away because we were in full view of several strangers who had front row seats to our yard and the windows on that side of the house. In reality, the people living there probably didn't care what we were doing, but to us it just felt weird. Not to mention that we would now hear every party anybody had, or every argument, etc. This was different from our adjacent neighbours, whom we had been able to build relationships with and thus could afford one another mutual respect and friendship to a degree.

Many people here, on SSP, would say that my family's loss was a reasonable tradeoff for the increase in density, but when it's your loss it's a different story. This is all to say that sometimes it's important to see both sides of the coin, and I can see your frustration with the planning boondoggle (can I use that word?) of the past years that is now bearing fruit. Maybe if council/HRM planning hadn't decided to saw off many new developments on the peninsula and surrounding areas at 7 floors, there wouldn't have to be as much of a knee-jerk reaction to the other aspects that have allowed the housing situation to slide into the toilet as it has.

Now, however, we need to increase supply by any means possible, and there will unfortunately be people, perhaps yourself, who will have to take the hit like my family did, in order to just have enough places for people to live, at a price that's not unaffordable to most. However, I am also aware that complaining about a loss of privacy seems somewhat minor now, compared to the current situation of well-paid professionals not even being able to afford a small, crappy, smelly, creaky, outdated apartment on the peninsula. Halifax now feels like we are moving towards a quality of life that I used to imagine would only happen in a third world nation, where the few very rich people could afford to live in comfort while the commoners lived in poverty... only it's even worse than that as people with previously-prestigious professional careers are now living in poverty, fighting over scraps and wanting to tear the throat out of anybody who is getting in their way of living the life they deserve to live. Just read the tone here... people are angry, frustrated, desperate. Anybody who knows the human condition knows that when people become desperate they become capable of doing things they never would have imagined before... so I am saddened about the possible future that all may have to endure.

That said, I still believe that the possibility exists that this could be a temporary situation, perhaps if future governments put reasonable restrictions on immigration and bring back actual production to Canada so we can build GDP by producing things rather than artificially inflating population (and overwhelming housing, healthcare, etc etc)... and the many other things of which I am probably not aware, that have to happen for Canada to even approach the quality of life that we used to enjoy. Hope is the cornerstone of life, and without it, everything collapses. The people in power have almost succeeded in removing hope from the majority of Canadians, and it's a tough pill to swallow.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2024, 4:36 PM
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I see and feel for a lot of frustrated folks these days, myself included. I'm scarily close to @HarbringerDe's situation, same income but working in tech. I was once a proud Nova Scotian and Canadian, but I've grown to resent a lot of things about this place and have been searching for any opportunity to move away.

I understand some would laugh at that - we live in a beautiful part of the world free of war, famine, etc. But it's impossible to feel proud of this country that seems hellbent on making this generations lives impossible to live.

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But....who said.....
"You will own nothing but be happy". ??

Just saying...the plan is .....
For you to be happy!! Lol
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But....who said.....
"You will own nothing but be happy". ??

Just saying...the plan is .....
For you to be happy!! Lol
The present believers of this philosophy in Ottawa will in all probability be out of Office next year and then the hard 90's, if you are Federally employed, shall begin. This time however I would venture that Defence will be left alone.
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WTF?
Mark, I call them as I see them. When someone is explaining their difficult situation and you become triggered by the use of a word. Your response is to claim the victim of an ageist attack without reading between the lines. The term Boomer its not a personal attack on you, your response just derails the discourse and its exhausting.
Here's a good article that may explain how younger people are feeling currently.
https://thehub.ca/2024-04-16/eric-lombar...war-was-it-worth-young-canadians-future/

I see your story differently, I read it as a number of families could finally find somewhere to live in a established neighborhood, where the city didn't have to extend services to accommodate them. One family might volunteer at Parker St church. Another decides to open a business and the community as a whole is better for it. I feel safer now when I'm walking down Albro Lake or Wyse Rd. that's for sure, though I'll still lock my car door.

If you want a better explanation for the recent housing shortage, one could easily point to immigration for the reason home prices have skyrocketed. Most older people love to cart it out as if for decades, we couldn't have allowed an appropriate amount of immigration to avoid this current demographic cliff. Instead to make up lost time, we had to increase it to a level that causes great strain on a poorly managed housing market.

That time lost instead was spent erecting municipal barriers to housing and enshrining backwards notions into municipal bylaw. When I think about housing and how little planning was done for the future, it frustrates me and many others. Instead of preparation, we got dysfunction and some ramblings about avocado toast and boot straps. This view that immigration is to blame avoids the elephant in the room, of how housing starts trended downwards since 1976. Only to be driven down further by economic crisis after economic crisis. The proverb “A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit" comes to mind a lot and how few "trees" were planted.
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Mark, I call them as I see them. When someone is explaining their difficult situation and you become triggered by the use of a word. Your response is to claim the victim of an ageist attack without reading between the lines.

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I'm the one who is triggered? I claimed to be a victim?

Here are the quoted posts that set you off:

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The Boomer NIMBY groups are all over Facebook celebrating their victories and "progress" in the crusade against solving the housing crisis.

It's incredibly infuriating. These people are lobbying to create generations of pain and financial suffering for everyone who didn't ride the housing rocket to wealth and a comfortable retirement like they did.

They fight development at every opportunity even though, ironically, most of them will never even live long enough to see the developments they so vehemently oppose... The rest of us will certainly have to live with the fallout for decades/generations though.
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Ah yes... another installment of "us vs them" rhetoric on SSP. I was missing that as it seemed to have fallen off recently. All is right again.
Yes Harbinger was expressing his distress over the housing situation, true. I was sarcastically referring to yet another millennial/gen Y vs boomer discussion, which I find tiresome and repetitive.

For my part, I was frustrated that the discussion wasn't going to be about the document that was mentioned, but more about age groups... yet again. Could I have been a little more sensitive with what I chose to post? Absolutely. I own it and will try to be better next time.

Then you jumped in with a bunch of assumptions and accusations, and frankly the tone of your posts are somewhat demeaning.

Harbinger and I made our points, and I suspect they have been somewhat settled for both parties (speaking for myself, anyhow).

I'm not sure what your interjection adds to the conversation, although I can understand and empathize with your anger. If making me the target of all that helps you to feel a little better about all that, I can accept that. My frustrations come out in some of my posts as well... I get it. These are tough times, and sometimes the little things can make a difference.

I don't think there's much else worth discussing that hasn't been gone over a thousand times over, so I'm putting this to rest.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2024, 5:30 AM
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It's definitely nice to hear different people's experiences with an issue. It's easy to write off those who oppose something we want as simply being bad, but change is difficult for most of us. Particularly when it feels like the change is beyond one's control and affects something as personal as one's home and immediate surroundings. And the lack of empathy happens on both sides. Not only is the pro-development side prone to writing off any opposition as selfish NIMBYs, those opposing changes often write off the opposition as greedy, corrupt developers. Sometimes the opposition also assumes the future residents would be dangerous or trashy, and other times they don't consider them at all. The focus is all on the developers.

I don't think there's any easy solution. We can to stop population growth but that comes with demographic and economic stagnation or decline due to an aging population. We can accommodate people in sprawl but that creates huge infrastructural costs, clogs communities with traffic and destroys natural habitat. Or we can accommodate people mostly within the existing urban footprint which requires people to adapt to lots of change.

A big part of the problem is that in the post-war era we designed cities with such low density that they can't house people as efficiently as they used to. A huge percentage of cities and metro areas are dominated by detached and semi-detached housing and people have come to think of that as a natural state of things in cities even though it was never really feasible or sustainable in the long term. So changes do need to happen, but we also have to be sensitive to the fact that it's extremely difficult. But that can be tough when emotions flowing and it can't really work if it's only in one direction. Like it's pretty tough to be empathetic when people show up to public meetings in war mode for instance.
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The problem with demographics has been ongoing for decades now. Nova Scotia has/had a lot more going for it then was ever acknowledged but now I think the damage it too far done without a complete (metaphorical) nuke wiping the status quo out in one go (good luck with that).

Nova Scotia has always had a higher than average trained/educated work force. When Alberta/Saskatchewan needed 10s of thousands of trained skilled trades people almost all of them came from here in the Atlantic. In Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, etc., many people within STEM, finance, business, you name it, disproportionately come from here. And many of these people, many now multi-generational, would come back in a heartbeat and make it better but the rug is pulled and those here holding the cards may as well be saboteurs of our present and future. My brother-in-law is a doctor, originally from Amherst, and he's said time and time again he would move back in a heart beat but the government makes it extremely prohibitive to the point of not being wanted at all. How can the powers that be and their vocal supports/enablers say with a straight face that we have a demographic problem, all we can do is import 100,000 Punjabis (90% male) and call it a solution? These people are beyond incompetent, there is seriously something sinister going on.

I am from the Gen Y "echo boom" where for about 5-7 years birthrates actually went up for a period in the 1980s/early 90s and the classrooms were over capacity. Where have all these now middle aged/young adult gone? Are their kids going to the same schools they themselves went to growing up? Why have they left? Where did they go?

Nova Scotia, and Canada as a whole, does not need mass immigration, or "temporary" workers, or any BS proposed solutions. We need to invest in our own people already here and make life better for our own families and communities. I swear, Nova Scotia is so poorly operated because anyone whose been in a position of power is either a nepo-hire or legitimately mentally deficient. I still have a transit pass from August 2023 in my wallet... it was a paper slip with whole punchers through it. HRM Transit didn't even have a tap card, an app, or even proper ticket booths that gave change for ticket purchases. It's utterly 3rd world garbage and not being people from here aren't capable, it's that those who are capable got chased out and told to fuck off by our own people holding the cards.
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The gas station at Bayers/Connaught has been demolished.

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I have an engineering degree. I make $70,000/yr. Yet between paying off my student loans, and paying for the car (that I need to reliably commute to my job) I cannot afford to live in this city. Hell I can barely afford to split a 2-bedroom apartment in this city if I want to contribute to my savings.
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At this point the writing is pretty much on the wall, for me at least. I have until maybe June to find a new job/career or I'll:
1) Literally be out on the street, forced to declare bankruptcy
2) Sell everything I own (minus my car and clothes) and go live with my retired parents in NS to avoid homelessness and stave off bankruptcy a couple extra months hopefully.
Younger Canadians need to consider emigration. People in my life tend to get pissed off at me when I mention emigration, because they are more nationalistic than they realise, not to mention comfortably housed. But for many of the rest of us, it makes no sense to stay. There are other options. I don't have any faith that Canada will fix the housing crisis because no government will act against the interests of the homeowner class. I'm not going to waste any more of my life here.
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The gas station at Bayers/Connaught has been demolished.

Good news. Hopefully they will start the Bayers Rd widening project soon.
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The problem with demographics has been ongoing for decades now. Nova Scotia has/had a lot more going for it then was ever acknowledged but now I think the damage it too far done without a complete (metaphorical) nuke wiping the status quo out in one go (good luck with that).

Nova Scotia has always had a higher than average trained/educated work force. When Alberta/Saskatchewan needed 10s of thousands of trained skilled trades people almost all of them came from here in the Atlantic. In Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, etc., many people within STEM, finance, business, you name it, disproportionately come from here. And many of these people, many now multi-generational, would come back in a heartbeat and make it better but the rug is pulled and those here holding the cards may as well be saboteurs of our present and future. My brother-in-law is a doctor, originally from Amherst, and he's said time and time again he would move back in a heart beat but the government makes it extremely prohibitive to the point of not being wanted at all. How can the powers that be and their vocal supports/enablers say with a straight face that we have a demographic problem, all we can do is import 100,000 Punjabis (90% male) and call it a solution? These people are beyond incompetent, there is seriously something sinister going on.

I am from the Gen Y "echo boom" where for about 5-7 years birthrates actually went up for a period in the 1980s/early 90s and the classrooms were over capacity. Where have all these now middle aged/young adult gone? Are their kids going to the same schools they themselves went to growing up? Why have they left? Where did they go?

Nova Scotia, and Canada as a whole, does not need mass immigration, or "temporary" workers, or any BS proposed solutions. We need to invest in our own people already here and make life better for our own families and communities. I swear, Nova Scotia is so poorly operated because anyone whose been in a position of power is either a nepo-hire or legitimately mentally deficient. I still have a transit pass from August 2023 in my wallet... it was a paper slip with whole punchers through it. HRM Transit didn't even have a tap card, an app, or even proper ticket booths that gave change for ticket purchases. It's utterly 3rd world garbage and not being people from here aren't capable, it's that those who are capable got chased out and told to fuck off by our own people holding the cards.
Most of the problems you describe I would Opine relate to that never ending competition between the three Nova Scotia's. What I mean by that are Cape Breton, Nova Scotia in name only, but culturally, economically, problems and asset wise very different from Rural Mainland N.S. and the third element Halifax regional Municipality. 250 years of history can cement old ways of doing things. C.B. and Rural N.S. are always thinking that Halifax gets everything so when a Rural Premier is the Boss guess what gets discussed and prioritized at the Cabinet table. Provincial governments never worry about the Tri County area because of Lobster landings. LOADS of cash down there. Halifax has the Navy, University's and the Port so lets take care of the mainland. That has led to small town thinking leading the entire Province.

I see that changing especially since Covid as many Maritimers have chosen to come home and mainly residents of Ontario have found our way of life with cheaper Housing to boot. The N.S. government have encouraged the Punjabi population by awarding an extra 50 points towards their PR application if they can keep a job here. Its interesting how working at a Bigstop for a twenty something from India is not beneath them. BTW the Indian born folks we are seeing here are the middle to upper middle class folks of India. There are no "lower caste" if you will among them. I think they have added some colour and spice to the place and have shaken up our assumptions.
The Feds are about to turn the tap way down on Immigration and for Social cohesion in Canada that is a must. Inflation is cooling off but we need to increase incomes and that means allowing business to lead the way. Trudeau and company do not have a business mind left among them. Change is coming. Like a freight train.
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One reason that people from other parts of Canada are reluctant to relocate here is our crushing tax burden. Between provincial income tax rates which are very high and brackets unindexed until next year, HRM's runaway spending, the high rate of HST, and the lack of return for all that taxation, we are a poor value place. Some of that could be alleviated if the three Maritime provinces cooperated better but that has never happened. And of course HRM sees itself as having an endless supply of tax dollars to waste. Our governments have few economies of scale because we are small, but insist on doing everything themselves, which is ridiculous. Adding more local bureaucracy is the worst way to try to supply any govt service as it is the most costly and inefficient way of delivering services.
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One attraction used to be a substantially lower cost of living (mostly based on housing costs) compared to the provinces west of the Maritimes, but that is no longer such a strong selling point, as our younger posters have pointed out quite strongly.

That said, our population continues to grow, so there must be something drawing people here.
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In other news, the first rubber-stamp hearing about HRM selling out property owners in exchange for a minuscule $79mil sack of Justin's (really our own) gold has occurred:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot...-for-200-000-new-housing-units-1.7177029

Some things never change in Halifax politics though: the South End aristocracy surrounding Saint Mary"s U. are spared from any changes in density, what a shock. Oh, and Sam Austin got his precious flower streets in Dartmouth (where he happens to have a million-dollar residence) exempted as well. Quelle surprise.
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Younger Canadians need to consider emigration. People in my life tend to get pissed off at me when I mention emigration, because they are more nationalistic than they realise, not to mention comfortably housed. But for many of the rest of us, it makes no sense to stay. There are other options. I don't have any faith that Canada will fix the housing crisis because no government will act against the interests of the homeowner class. I'm not going to waste any more of my life here.
Not an ounce of Nationalism in this body. The only thing keeping me here are my loved ones and a naive hope that maybe some day things will change. I'm becoming increasingly comfortable with saying that I, in fact, hate this country. Not because it's a particularly horrible place to live in the grand scheme of things (yet). It is a considerably better place to call home than many others in the world.

I don't hate Canadians. I don't hate my fellow working-class citizens. I want the best for everyone. I want dignity, affordability, and the ability to have an acceptable/comfortable quality of life for everyone. I hate the greed. I hate the incompetence. I hate the complete lack of any substantial action to reverse the supersonic speed at which literally everything is getting worse.

The government isn't left-wing enough to build commie blocks and house people for 4% of their gross income. They're not capable of anything but Neo-Liberal bullshit, and we will get the exact same thing for 10 years from the Conservatives. The free market has zero incentive to make things any better. On the contrary, the more property values skyrocket and the more wages plummet, the better things are for a large corporation, wealthy individual, asset owner - or more broadly - capitalist.

There is a 1-bedroom condo for about $220,000 which I'm thinking of making a hail mary and attempting to purchase. This is not within my budget, and I would likely have to draw a small amount from my savings to make ends meet for a few years until I land a substantial raise and pay off my car. It's probably a horrible financial decision, but not getting into the housing market when even the slimmest opportunity presents itself is also probably a horrible financial decision.

The mortgage for this 1-bedroom condo in suburban Dartmouth would be around $1300/mo add up all other housing fees and it'll be around $1800-$1900/mo.

I have a millennial friend who bought a home in 2019 for the same price of around $220,000. It's a 3 bed 2 bath townhouse... And his mortgage is $800/mo.

Okay I'm going to officially stop venting about my personal grievances about the housing crisis (for now).
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It's not clear to me if this has much significance, but there may be changes coming to the waterfront? I will say that I wasn't aware the the Province controlled so much of it.

Build Nova Scotia reviewing provincially owned Halifax waterfront properties

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The Crown corporation responsible for several high-profile projects underway in Nova Scotia has quietly launched a review of the province's holdings along the Halifax waterfront.

The provincial government owns or controls a major portion of the waterfront.


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He summed up the work of his team as a "look at the strategic potential of our waterfront and making sure it's still in accordance with the way that the province wants to move forward in its growth," and called the area "an incredible jewel."

"It is about the strategic potential of our waterfront and making sure that we get the most out of it for the public good," he said.
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Minister of Public Works Kim Masland, who oversees Build Nova Scotia, called the review "sound, smart management" of the waterfront.

"I think it's smart to take a step back and look and make a plan of the entire harbour," Masland told reporters following a cabinet meeting on Thursday.

She said the timing was right, given that the planned fast ferry from Bedford will need a place to land and the existing ferry terminal isn't suited to handle it.

"We're going to have to look [at] another spot for our ferries to come in," Masland said. "We have five other ferries coming in from Mill Cove.

"The traffic that's going to be on that waterfront is going to be huge."
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I missed this one the first time around, but it was linked to in the article I just posted.

Halifax kickstarts major plan to improve the Dartmouth waterfront

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The plan will consider a new multi-use emergency access route from the bottom of Ochterloney Street to Atlantic Street near the Woodside Ferry Terminal that could handle vehicles and would be the foundation of a better-connected waterfront. It would closely follow the existing Trans-Canada Trail that is now broken up by dead ends and buildings.
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Having a new emergency route open up the waterfront for housing development is key, MacGregor said.

"The influx of residents have been a cornerstone in rejuvenating downtown Dartmouth. So more of that is actually quite critical," MacGregor said.

A staff report said Halifax Fire would prefer overpasses or other options across the CN rail rather than more ground-level crossings, given that trains often block the current one at Alderney Landing.


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The port is also looking to expand its cruise traffic. They will create a new tendering location off George's Island this summer, where ships will anchor and then bring passengers to the dock via smaller boats.

Paul MacIsaac, senior vice-president for the Halifax Port Authority, said they hope to put removable, floating docks on the Dartmouth side of the harbour. Passengers would then walk through an extendable gangway, similar to ones used in airports, to get to shore.

MacIsaac said they haven't yet decided on an ideal location.

"It really depends on the infrastructure that's over there, and the acceptance by the community. We certainly wouldn't want to put in any more than are wanted," MacIsaac said.

MacIsaac said the Port could likely start with 25 ships a season in Dartmouth and grow from there.
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Provincially-owned Dartmouth Cove lands will also be considered in the plan, which is a future growth area where the city would eventually like to build a new neighbourhood.
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Another demolition permit for Robie Street;

1770 Robie Street - Appears to be a former frat house. The land connects to other recently demolished lots and is now a full block from Cherry-Cedar.
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120 PINECREST DRIVE, DARTMOUTH is now under construction. The developer is 4423358 Nova Scotia Ltd which is run by Ross Karlin, a Toronto-based developer. There is a rendering floating around and it is definitely not a "Highfield Special" which should be a nice change. It's a six-storey, 56-unit building.

The same person owns 41 Brule Street which I noticed is breaking ground as well. This site has no excavation or building permits submitted that I could locate.
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