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Old Posted Apr 17, 2024, 12:52 AM
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I know there's going to be some whining about the plaza (not being completely open air), but it's a plaza.



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That base plaza looks great. Anyone saying otherwise just can't be pleased.

I'm very interested in what those materials are. If those columns are likely stone I'm not sure what that curved cementous looking element would be made of.
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There's no way. It's way taller than that.
I'm comparing it to the 575' building next to it. Stack two of those on top of each other and that's 1,150'.

I'm taking it from there.


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11 stories taller than the previous rendering.

This has to be 1500+ feet.
The CTBUH had it at 58, I think they were missing mechanicals in the articles. That and ceiling heights but it's obviously pretty tall.



I can't tell if it tapers from the rendering. It basically is just a modified 270 Park if so.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2024, 1:04 AM
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Not sure what that is, but the glass portion will most certainly be darker than what is shown, which is fine by me. No more blue glass!


Meanwhile, the tower will make a nice addition to this collection...


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Thought this was an error….



https://www.costar.com/article/14104...ks-park-avenue

Citadel Advances Plans for Skyline-Altering Tower on New York’s Park Avenue
Skyscraper Would Rank As Second Tallest Among Existing City Buildings



By Andria Cheng
April 16, 2024


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Billionaire investor Ken Griffin, founder of hedge fund Citadel, is moving forward with a plan to build a 1.8 million-square-foot office tower on New York’s Park Avenue with developers Vornado Realty Trust and Rudin.

The plan that’s set to remake the midtown Manhattan skyline is the latest validation for the corporate headquarters-heavy corridor and for the market, where the office vacancy rate has reached new record highs.

Citadel and affiliate firm Citadel Securities will become anchor tenants at the new 62-story tower at 350 Park Ave., occupying at least 850,000 square feet, New York City Mayor Eric Adams’ office said in a statement. The public-private project includes creating a 12,500-square-foot public concourse and funding for other public improvements.

The tower will be about 1,600 feet tall, a spokesperson for the development team told CoStar News. That would rank it as the city’s second-tallest building, among existing skyscrapers, just after the 1,776-foot-tall One World Trade Center in lower Manhattan.
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Meanwhile, JPMorgan Chase is building its 1,388-foot, 60-story global headquarters at 270 Park Ave. Developer RXR also plans to co-develop 175 Park Ave., a project billed as a nearly 1,600-foot-tall tower with the highest occupied office floor and the highest hotel in the Western Hemisphere.

“This investment opens a new chapter for Midtown — and closes the book on those who predicted its demise,” New York Deputy Mayor for Operations Meera Joshi said in the statement. “Midtown's revitalization is being led by its public realm — including investments in Fifth Avenue, with the crown jewels of Central Park and Bryant Park at either end.”
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CoStar is a very reliable source in the real estate realm.
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1,600 feet!!! A new tallest for Gotham!!!!

P.S.: The next designs in the Plaza District that I look forward to seeing are Related’s 625 Madison and LVMH’s 1 E 57th. I suspect that they will be show stoppers, like this new icon!


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Excellent news. Wonder if this could push 175 Park back over 1600ft? In fact could this towers height influence the heights of future designs in the area?

Someone please say yes!
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Great news. But if this is this skyscraper subject to the public review process, is there a risk of an arbitrary reduction in height like the 175 Park Avenue?
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Great news. But if this is this skyscraper subject to the public review process, is there a risk of an arbitrary reduction in height like the 175 Park Avenue?
No. The reduction in height for 175 Park was a direct result of the developers plans. There are no height limits, and unlike 175 Park, the zoning here was already approved. The approvals process is a formality that was added to get the Midtown East zoning approved. They do the same thing in Hudson Yards, only those towers aren’t required to go through the full public review. So what they will spell out in this process, for all to see, is exactly what methods they are using to achieve the full FAR. In Hudson Yards, everything comes from the railyards. Here, as we’ve already seen, they are getting air rights from a couple of landmarked churches, and a neighboring building. They also purchased an easement over a neighboring building to preserve views to the west. They aren’t messing around here.
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Hopefully they just full send it and make it 500 + M

But I'm happy they're going as tall as they already are. Griffin wants a statement piece? Doesn't want to be overshadowed by 270 Park and Jamie Dimon? Who knows, who cares. We're getting a 1,600 ft tower and that's awesome.
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Standing on the street looking up at the western wall going straight up for 1600 feet with no setbacks is going to feel insane. Might even make you a bit woozy

Maybe Alex Honnold will try to climb it.
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The public review is slated to begin next year per CoStar. I wonder what type of time table we are looking at with this. Projected start year of 2028?

Once demo occurs of the existing structures. 2028 might be nice.
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If the plan is for this to be occupied in 8 years, I suspect that demo will start as soon as the city process alluded to in these articles concludes.
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This is a beauty!

1,600 ft = 487.68 m, so North America still has nothing above 500 m in roof height, but we are getting closer and closer.
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Here's my take on 350 Park Avenue, the size makes up for its lack of innovation

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...50-Park-Avenue
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the building is designed to blend in with the tops One Vanderbilt and 270 Park Ave.

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...ower-revealed/

Giddy-up!! this is certainly a nice little addition to the heart of midtown east. It's essentially 270 Park Ave split in half, we can tell it's coming from the same firm; Fosters New York office
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