Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

A bit. You know what this is, though?

I assume Meech? or possibly Charlottetown?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

I assume Meech? or possibly Charlottetown?

It's the exact wording from Meech.

[Acajack]

Another tidbit from Gabriel Attal's visit to Quebec AND Canada () this week is his repeating of a line his boss Emmanuel Macron is fond of: pour que la France reste la France (so that France remains France). This is a bit controversial as it's said he stole it from far right parties, who are a threat to him politically.

François Legault lapped that up and said that a huge part of his job was to ensure que le Québec reste le Québec.

I can't imagine any PM of Canada ever saying that, much less any of the other provincial Premiers.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Another tidbit from Gabriel Attal's visit to Quebec AND Canada () this week is his repeating of a line his boss Emmanuel Macron is fond of: pour que la France reste la France (so that France remains France). This is a bit controversial as it's said he stole it from far right parties, who are a threat to him politically.

François Legault lapped that up and said that a huge part of his job was to ensure que le Québec reste le Québec.

I can't imagine any PM of Canada ever saying that, much less any of the other provincial Premiers.

I don't know that it would be much of a stretch to hear something like this from PP, were he to become PM.

[mousquet]

^ That has nothing to do with Québec.

It is a French domestic issue exclusively.
When local politicians state that they want France to remain France, they actually mean that they're determined to cope Muslim fanatics and their bigotry, on their trip to lock up all women in the world in their kitchens.

Some hypocrites might call it racism, it's just common sense to us. Especially when 10% of the French population is Muslim and that there is a struggle among them.
Like moderates vs fanatics. Liberals vs Conservatives... Same crap as usual.

Just 2 days ago, an Afghan weirdo stabbed 2 Algerians on the most touristy spot of Bordeaux just because the 2 guys were drinking beer, wine or something, while Islam prohibits booze.
One of the 2 is dead, the other one seriously wounded at the hospital.
The cops had to shoot the Afghan dead because he wouldn't surrender.

Stories like this happen frequently in France today. Every single day, we have hundreds of aggressive acts involving Muslim bigotry.
People are sick of it at some point. Especially Muslims that moved here to be freed from their fanatics.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by mousquet

^ That has nothing to do with Québec.

It is a French domestic issue exclusively.
When local politicians state that they want France to remain France, they actually mean that they're determined to cope Muslim fanatics and their bigotry, on their trip to lock up all women in the world in their kitchens.
....

One imagines some in Quebec thinking "mais, mais, mais".

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Or in Quebec we have large drug stores that sell food and cosmetics.

This has been known for quite some time in France. Although Charles Trénet called it "Canada" if you listen to the song, and not "Québec", because back then it was all about "French Canada" (usually only "Canada" in French; "Canada français" was almost never used in France, don't know about its use in Québec), and people seldom talked of "Québec". The use of "Québec" really started in the 1970s, when the use of "French Canada" declined (although in France many people still refer to Québec as "Canada" only, because Canada is essentially Québec for many French people).

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[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by mousquet

^ That has nothing to do with Québec.

It is a French domestic issue exclusively.
When local politicians state that they want France to remain France, they actually mean that they're determined to cope Muslim fanatics and their bigotry, on their trip to lock up all women in the world in their kitchens.

Some hypocrites might call it racism, it's just common sense to us. Especially when 10% of the French population is Muslim and that there is a struggle among them.
Like moderates vs fanatics. Liberals vs Conservatives... Same crap as usual.

Just 2 days ago, an Afghan weirdo stabbed 2 Algerians on the most touristy spot of Bordeaux just because the 2 guys were drinking beer, wine or something, while Islam prohibits booze.
One of the 2 is dead, the other one seriously wounded at the hospital.
The cops had to shoot the Afghan dead because he wouldn't surrender.

And a 13 y/o Muslim girl in Alsace was physically attacked in the bus going to school by some Muslim classmates because she didn't fast during Ramadan. Another Muslim high school girl in Montpellier last week was beaten into a coma just outside of her high school because she didn't wear a veil. Etc. Etc.

The situation has gone totally out of hand, and I'm afraid Canada (especially Québec) will soon experience that too, because once you let Muslim immigrants in, sooner or later these sorts of things happen. And Canada is ill equipped to deal with these issues due to all the PCness and Anglo-Saxon acceptance of communitarianism.

[New Brisavoine]

This is not going to sit well with Anglo-Canada...

Les étudiants français exemptés d’une hausse des droits de scolarité au Québec

Le Devoir
12 avril 2024




https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebe...exemptes-hausse-droits-scolarite-quebec?

[mousquet]

^ I don't mind what they say, this is a fair deal to us.

I don't see why our students would have to pay extra tuition over there.
Canada is supposed to be a free country, and Québec and France are totally entitled to maintain their partnership as a "special relationship".

Other provinces shouldn't have a say about it. It's none of their business.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

This is not going to sit well with Anglo-Canada...

Not sure why you think that. Nobody in English Canada cares. Quebec is free to charge what they want to who they want. I am surprised that more Quebecers aren't asking why they are subsidizing all these foreigners though. Especially given the ratio cited in the article.

I do think Quebec's English universities should read the room though and start planning their exits by opening campuses outside Quebec that they could move to. The current fee controversy points to a provincial government that will not let them grow. Fail to see the point of staying if that's going to be the case. Would love to see McGill move to Ottawa for example.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Not sure why you think that. Nobody in English Canada cares. Quebec is free to charge what they want to who they want. I am surprised that more Quebecers aren't asking why they are subsidizing all these foreigners though. Especially given the ratio cited in the article.

I do think Quebec's English universities should read the room though and start planning their exits by opening campuses outside Quebec that they could move to. The current fee controversy points to a provincial government that will not let them grow. Fail to see the point of staying if that's going to be the case. Would love to see McGill move to Ottawa for example.

McGill, Concordia and Bishop are highly subsidized by Québec's taxpayers to provide English higher education to Québec students. Why should they move or subsidize out of province students?

[kwoldtimer]

It could be seen as odd that French students will get a better deal than MOC students going to French-language universities in Quebec, but since it's part of a bilateral arrangement, I don't see why it would give rise to undue concerns.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

McGill, Concordia and Bishop are highly subsidized by Québec's taxpayers to provide English higher education to Québec students. Why should they move or subsidize out of province students?

Not saying they should. But there's clearly no room for growth. Other provinces would happily offer them more opportunity, given their reputations.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Not saying they should. But there's clearly no room for growth. Other provinces would happily offer them more opportunity, given their reputations.

The English population in Québec is growing.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

The English population in Québec is growing.

And? That doesn't help the universities if the provincial government perceives their growth as a threat (which this government clearly does). Nobody can say future governments won't be even more hostile than this one. Why risk it? McGill could move all that lovely research expertise to a bilingual city like Ottawa and steadily grow here with little risk. And simply opening that door, will give them the leverage with provincial government. Business is business.

Also, you must have missed the part where the provincial government insisted that English colleges and universities taking in anglophone foreign students subsidize francophone institutions by surrendering parts of their lucrative foreign student fees. There's no risk of demands like that for any campus they open outside Quebec.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Acajack

"au Québec et au Canada" is a very standard phrase in Quebec politics and media. Even the federalists in Quebec will use it even though it hints that Quebec and Canada are two distinct (ie separate) entities.

I guess it's something that has grown on them over time, similar to Quebec City being billed "la capitale nationale" and a number of Quebec government agencies having "national(e)" in their name.

That said, all of this does get on the nerves of some people in the ROC, though they don't like when we say "au Québec et dans le reste du Canada" either.

Even in Ontario I've heard "In Ontario and in Canada" used by politicians here.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

Montreal's Azurs are relatively new. Started testing around 2016, full roll-out in 2018. Added more sets in 2021. They're arguably the nicest metro trains in North America.

Definitely the nicest in Canada and the U.S.. I've never been on any in Mexico or elsewhere in North America that has subways.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

And a 13 y/o Muslim girl in Alsace was physically attacked in the bus going to school by some Muslim classmates because she didn't fast during Ramadan. Another Muslim high school girl in Montpellier last week was beaten into a coma just outside of her high school because she didn't wear a veil. Etc. Etc.

The situation has gone totally out of hand, and I'm afraid Canada (especially Québec) will soon experience that too, because once you let Muslim immigrants in, sooner or later these sorts of things happen. And Canada is ill equipped to deal with these issues due to all the PCness and Anglo-Saxon acceptance of communitarianism.

Canada had let in lots of Muslim immigrants over the last number of decades. What are you talking about PCness and Anglo-Saxon acceptance?!? What are we accepting?!? We have a constitution that allows for freedom of religion. We also have laws and a legal system that aren't based on religion. We also have a strict system of who gets into Canada. I think it's fair to say that we try to make most Muslims feel like they belong here but we don't bend over backwards for everything for them. Interestingly, many of the safest parts of Canada are areas with large Muslim populations.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

And? That doesn't help the universities if the provincial government perceives their growth as a threat (which this government clearly does). Nobody can say future governments won't be even more hostile than this one. Why risk it? McGill could move all that lovely research expertise to a bilingual city like Ottawa and steadily grow here with little risk. And simply opening that door, will give them the leverage with provincial government. Business is business.

Also, you must have missed the part where the provincial government insisted that English colleges and universities taking in anglophone foreign students subsidize francophone institutions by surrendering parts of their lucrative foreign student fees. There's no risk of demands like that for any campus they open outside Quebec.

The new law will just reduce the basin of foreign students that will want to go to McGill and Concordia, not the number of accepted students since just a small percentage of applicants are accepted. And with the rise of fees, students from outside Québec will not be subsidized by the province anymore. The reattribution of money to French speaking universities will simply compensate the fact that overall every English university student is subsidized more that French speaking ones in Québec.