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Make undeveloped land in the core a higher tax rate.
Doesn't work that easy. What defines 'core' versus other adjacent neighbourhoods? And is it only lots in the core we care about? What about older industrial/business park areas?
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Proof please.

I'd be interested to know where/when a developer was forced against their will to develop a project.
Wouldn't say 'against their will' but 'take away any revenue-generation opportunites from the property' while continuing to charge property taxes, etc.

The fact they can make money off of sitting on some crappy gravel parking lots while getting millions for the arena is rich (pardon the pun lol).
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Proof please.

I'd be interested to know where/when a developer was forced against their will to develop a project.
That's not what I said. I said land owners have been tasked with developing a plot of land within a specified time frame. If they don't develop a plot within said time frame then they may lose grants or zoning approval. This is pretty standard so feel free to find it on the COE website somewhere.
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That's not what I said. I said land owners have been tasked with developing a plot of land within a specified time frame. If they don't develop a plot within said time frame then they may lose grants or zoning approval. This is pretty standard so feel free to find it on the COE website somewhere.
OK, you've got two themes going on in your prior post. You're still missing the points.

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Even if a zoning or development permit has an expiry date on it, that has zero bearing on compelling a site to be developed. History in every city I can think of has several sites that have remained fallow and let permits expire because there's no financial reason to develop a project. And when the time to develop makes sense, then re-starting the development process is pro forma. That's how the market works.

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Taxing land at higher mill rates at most might (might) negatively impact the land value, but again that has no bearing on someone deciding to make a far larger development/financial bet versus the slightly increased cost to carry the land until the market supports development. A developer won't build until they see a good prospect for financial gains made by the much larger development bet.

if you think that you can somehow tax developers to the point that you'll force them to develop, then I can only assume that your understanding of all the relevant levers to support development is perhaps limited. Either that, or you're a city planner and have an almost negligible understanding of how real estate development functions.

You can't raise taxes and expect that business will flock to the development table.
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OK, you've got two themes going on in your prior post. You're still missing the points.

ONE:

Even if a zoning or development permit has an expiry date on it, that has zero bearing on compelling a site to be developed. History in every city I can think of has several sites that have remained fallow and let permits expire because there's no financial reason to develop a project. And when the time to develop makes sense, then re-starting the development process is pro forma. That's how the market works.

TWO:

Taxing land at higher mill rates at most might (might) negatively impact the land value, but again that has no bearing on someone deciding to make a far larger development/financial bet versus the slightly increased cost to carry the land until the market supports development. A developer won't build until they see a good prospect for financial gains made by the much larger development bet.

if you think that you can somehow tax developers to the point that you'll force them to develop, then I can only assume that your understanding of all the relevant levers to support development is perhaps limited. Either that, or you're a city planner and have an almost negligible understanding of how real estate development functions.

You can't raise taxes and expect that business will flock to the development table.
I have no clue what you're talking about with your second point. That touches on nothing I said. I get the impression that you don't really need me for this "conversation".
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Just an observation: at one point in the latter 70s I had a rendering build out of what back then was proposed as Downtown North. I think it was part of an extended Edmonton Journal article. So, about 45 years ago. I don't think one single tower in that area (101-109 St, north of 104 Ave I think) ever came to fruition.

And by tower, I don't mean supertalls. The proposed buildout took the airport overlay into account.
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Just an observation: at one point in the latter 70s I had a rendering build out of what back then was proposed as Downtown North. I think it was part of an extended Edmonton Journal article. So, about 45 years ago. I don't think one single tower in that area (101-109 St, north of 104 Ave I think) ever came to fruition.

And by tower, I don't mean supertalls. The proposed buildout took the airport overlay into account.
So basically a bunch of highrises through the current Central McDougall neighbourhood?
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Just an observation: at one point in the latter 70s I had a rendering build out of what back then was proposed as Downtown North. I think it was part of an extended Edmonton Journal article. So, about 45 years ago. I don't think one single tower in that area (101-109 St, north of 104 Ave I think) ever came to fruition.

And by tower, I don't mean supertalls. The proposed buildout took the airport overlay into account.
That's odd cause most of that area was still being considered for the METS era freeway in the 70s. I do remember the plans for the area arena north that came out before the arena was dreamt about, but that was early 2000s
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That's odd cause most of that area was still being considered for the METS era freeway in the 70s. I do remember the plans for the area arena north that came out before the arena was dreamt about, but that was early 2000s
Are you referring to the 'Aurora' project with the four or five residential towers?
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yes that was one of it but there was something else, I spent time looking for it, but then got distracted with work.
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yes that was one of it but there was something else, I spent time looking for it, but then got distracted with work.
I remember something like that as well, Came out around 78 or 79 I believe. I had just started working at that point and there were a lot of interesting proposals
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Just an observation: at one point in the latter 70s I had a rendering build out of what back then was proposed as Downtown North. I think it was part of an extended Edmonton Journal article. So, about 45 years ago. I don't think one single tower in that area (101-109 St, north of 104 Ave I think) ever came to fruition.

And by tower, I don't mean supertalls. The proposed buildout took the airport overlay into account.

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*there is a new video showing elevations and interiors.
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so helpful. Emporis has been dead for what? years now?
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Cool! There might have been another similar rendering looking toward the southwest but we're getting way back in time and I could be wrong.

I can't recall who was behind the concept, maybe it was suggested by the planning department. I'd think the original article would have that info.

EDIT: I didn't know Emporis had been swallowed up by CoStar.
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There is another colour axonometric one that is pretty cool too, but I cannot locate it.
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