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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 12:18 AM
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Also to add onto this, I took inspiration from the SLS Skytrain names along with the Canada Line names, it seems like when transit stations are located on a clear intersecting road but not in a clearly defined "place", if there is an available nearby landmark Translink prefers to name the station after the crossroad and landmark. Hence, Langara-49th, Broadway-City Hall, Hillcrest-184th. I might have gone a bit overkill with names like Phibbs-Mountain Highway.
This is solid reasoning. I appreciate the real life inspired naming conventions.

If anything I think it would make sense to drop the "exchange" from Phibbs Exchange since most Skytrain stations act as super charged bus exchanges, and Phibbs Station is too short. As well, Mountain Highway in that area might be confusing for non-local residents as it's really Brooksbank that turns into Mountain Highway for anyone going north of Keith Road, and any feeder routes that serve Mountain Highway beyond Keith Road would likely terminate at the Park & Tilford Station. My suggestion would be "Phibbs-SeyLynn Station" to keep to a similar spirit, but avoid the confusion that is Mountain Highway.

Come to think of it, the DNV should really rename that portion of Mountain Highway to something different, perhaps "SeyLynn Road".
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 12:54 AM
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This is solid reasoning. I appreciate the real life inspired naming conventions.
It's all over the place so I think it's a bit of an unspoken rule.

Main Street-Science World
Joyce-Collingwood
VCC-Clark
Sperling-Burnaby Lake
Great Northern Way-Emily Carr
Bakerview-166th (To be honest, this one is a bit of a stretch)

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If anything I think it would make sense to drop the "exchange" from Phibbs Exchange since most Skytrain stations act as super charged bus exchanges, and Phibbs Station is too short. As well, Mountain Highway in that area might be confusing for non-local residents as it's really Brooksbank that turns into Mountain Highway for anyone going north of Keith Road, and any feeder routes that serve Mountain Highway beyond Keith Road would likely terminate at the Park & Tilford Station. My suggestion would be "Phibbs-SeyLynn Station" to keep to a similar spirit, but avoid the confusion that is Mountain Highway.

Come to think of it, the DNV should really rename that portion of Mountain Highway to something different, perhaps "SeyLynn Road".
Technically technically technically Seylynn only describes the park and the Seylynn Village development. The area is officially "Lynn Creek Town Centre" (though Phibbs Exchange is actually outside the OCP boundary.)

There is currently exactly one station in the network with a one syllable name (finding it is left as an exercise to the reader), so that means Phibbs isn't necessarily too short. However, Phibbs doesn't really describe anything about the area (besides the fact that that's where Phibbs is!) unlike the other station. Phibbs-Lynn Creek is an option but it's a bit of a silly name because Lynn Creek pretty is far away and a future Brooksbank station is far more deserving of that landmark. I also considered Phibbs-Seymour (Creek) but again it's a little bit removed from the reserve and the river.

Phibbs-Mountain Highway just seemed like the best option to me unfortunately.

I would support a petition to rename Mountain Highway (south) to Lynn Creek Road! It's a nice parallel to Lynn Valley Road.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 12:56 AM
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When I hear "station" I tend to think of trains.

For buses, I think of bus stops, bus terminals, bus exchanges and bus loops.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 1:02 AM
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It's all over the place so I think it's a bit of an unspoken rule.

Main Street-Science World
Joyce-Collingwood
VCC-Clark
Sperling-Burnaby Lake
Great Northern Way-Emily Carr
Bakerview-166th (To be honest, this one is a bit of a stretch)
Oh man, Bakerview... yeah if that can get approved, I'm sure you could rename Phibbs to Shining Time Station and it would still make more sense...

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Technically technically technically Seylynn only describes the park and the Seylynn Village development. The area is officially "Lynn Creek Town Centre" (though Phibbs Exchange is actually outside the OCP boundary.)

There is currently exactly one station in the network with a one syllable name (finding it is left as an exercise to the reader), so that means Phibbs isn't necessarily too short. However, Phibbs doesn't really describe anything about the area (besides the fact that that's where Phibbs is!) unlike the other station. Phibbs-Lynn Creek is an option but it's a bit of a silly name because Lynn Creek pretty is far away and a future Brooksbank station is far more deserving of that landmark. I also considered Phibbs-Seymour (Creek) but again it's a little bit removed from the reserve and the river.

Phibbs-Mountain Highway just seemed like the best option to me unfortunately.

I would support a petition to rename Mountain Highway (south) to Lynn Creek Road! It's a nice parallel to Lynn Valley Road.
All good points, I should probably add though since you did mention reserve, that there is the Squamish Nation reserve right by this station / road. In reality if we're renaming things, we probably should see if they have any good ideas, which I'm sure they do.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 1:07 AM
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When I hear "station" I tend to think of trains.

For buses, I think of bus stops, bus terminals, bus exchanges and bus loops.
How do you feel about Scott Road Station and Coquitlam Central Station? Both were just bus loop park & rides until the Skytrain was extended to Scott Road and the WCE was introduced at Coquitlam Central. Actually, what is now Coquitlam Central was named "Coquitlam Station" before there was any train service.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 2:11 AM
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Seems pretty straightforward: bus stops can be loops, exchanges, interchanges, terminals or anything like that, but it's only a "station" when trains move in.

As for stupid names, there's a "Beauty World Station" on the Singapore MRT, named after a local mall named after a theme park. Doesn't get any worse than that.

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I dunno, by that logic they should have already done that. I don't think your analysis that they run near-empty afterwards is correct. Certainly the 210 is a heavy hitter.
Best guess? They're waiting for the SkyTrain to absorb the demand before making any cuts - same reason why local Burnaby routes like the 28 and 130 are operating well beyond their job description.

The 210's certainly not a lightweight, but also not exactly a high performer; the 28 gets twice its ridership.
And the 209/11/12/14 are all in the bottom 50%, so once Purple reaches Phibbs, I'd fully expect TransLink to simplify them somehow, like merging the 209 and 212 into one frequent Upper Lynn-Deep Cove line.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 2:20 AM
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How do you feel about Scott Road Station and Coquitlam Central Station? Both were just bus loop park & rides until the Skytrain was extended to Scott Road and the WCE was introduced at Coquitlam Central. Actually, what is now Coquitlam Central was named "Coquitlam Station" before there was any train service.
Were those called "stations" before the arrival of SkyTrain and WCE?

For SkyTrain stations with bus loops, I figure that the "station" identifies the highest order / primary mode at the facility,
rather than the bus facility which is ancillary.

Hmmm - The TransLink Interactive Map calls them "Bus Stops" and "Bus Depots".


https://www.translink.ca/schedules-and-maps/interactive-system-map

TransLink also provides "Bus Exchange" maps with various names but no "stations":


https://www.translink.ca/schedules-and-maps/transit-system-maps#bus-exchange-maps
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 2:34 AM
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Seems pretty straightforward: bus stops can be loops, exchanges, interchanges, terminals or anything like that, but it's only a "station" when trains move in.
Actually Coquitlam was a station before there was any train, WCE or Skytrain (well there was freight I suppose).

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As for stupid names, there's a "Beauty World Station" on the Singapore MRT, named after a local mall named after a theme park. Doesn't get any worse than that.
I'll see your Beauty World Station and raise you Olympic station on the Hong Kong MTR. Hong Kong has never hosted the Olympics, it's named that because a Hong Konger won a gold medal during construction so they just decided to rename it Olympic.

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Best guess? They're waiting for the SkyTrain to absorb the demand before making any cuts - same reason why local Burnaby routes like the 28 and 130 are operating well beyond their job description.

The 210's certainly not a lightweight, but also not exactly a high performer; the 28 gets twice its ridership.
And the 209/11/12/14 are all in the bottom 50%, so once Purple reaches Phibbs, I'd fully expect TransLink to simplify them somehow, like merging the 209 and 212 into one frequent Upper Lynn-Deep Cove line.
I beg your pardon? What's wrong with the 28 and 130 at the moment? The 210 is obviously not a Vancouver or a Surrey bus, but considering it's a suburban bus I think it does pretty good numbers.

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Were those called "stations" before the arrival of SkyTrain and WCE?
If CPTDB is to be trusted (and they're usually acoustically accurate), Coquitlam Central Station when it first opened in its current location was named Coquitlam Station. This was in '91, 4 years before the WCE station opened in 1995. (Though perhaps the plans were already in place?)

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Translink_SkyTrain_Coquitlam_Central_Station
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 2:47 AM
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... I'll see your Beauty World Station and raise you Olympic station on the Hong Kong MTR. Hong Kong has never hosted the Olympics, it's named that because a Hong Konger won a gold medal during construction so they just decided to rename it Olympic.

I beg your pardon? What's wrong with the 28 and 130 at the moment? The 210 is obviously not a Vancouver or a Surrey bus, but considering it's a suburban bus I think it does pretty good numbers...
So they literally just Mount McKinley'd a random MTR station? What the duck.

Nothing wrong with them - just that without the need for as many North Shore crossings as possible to fill the lack of SkyTrain, they'd probably terminate at Kootenay and remain entirely within Burnaby.
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Lonsdale Quay makes sense but I don't see how you do the alignment even as a tunnel. Though I'm open to ideas on how it would work.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 3:10 AM
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If CPTDB is to be trusted (and they're usually acoustically accurate), Coquitlam Central Station when it first opened in its current location was named Coquitlam Station. This was in '91, 4 years before the WCE station opened in 1995. (Though perhaps the plans were already in place?)

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Translink_SkyTrain_Coquitlam_Central_Station
Could have been aspirational?
Coquitlam had been promised SkyTrain forever, but I don't know about as early as 1991!
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2024, 3:22 AM
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Lonsdale Quay makes sense but I don't see how you do the alignment even as a tunnel. Though I'm open to ideas on how it would work.
Yeah, the Quay itself is basically impossible without locating the station underwater (or perhaps via land reclamation but I do not see a political reality of that happening), and Esplanade is close to impossible because of the Lonsdale Tunnel which runs underneath it and basically prevents any station building there. The best that can be done in my opinion would be 1st, but at that point you're so far from the Seabus terminal (twice the distance of the Waterfront Seabus terminal to the Waterfront Expo Line platforms and we know how much that walk —), it may as well be moved to third. That way we avoid tunneling under existing properties to get to 1st from 3rd and increase the catchment while giving up on any Seabus connection which doesn't really have much of a purpose anyway.
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Could have been aspirational?
Coquitlam had been promised SkyTrain forever, but I don't know about as early as 1991!
"promised" is probably strong, but there were conceptual extensions going through Coquitlam as early as 1986: https://orangeraisin.wordpress.com/2019/05/14/skytrain-edmonds-cariboo-extension/

In this map from 1986 you can see the Lougheed/Barnet intersection labeled as "Coquitlam Centre Stn". But that would be the name of the proposed station and not what that area was actually called at the time...
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Actually Coquitlam was a station before there was any train, WCE or Skytrain (well there was freight I suppose).

I'll see your Beauty World Station and raise you Olympic station on the Hong Kong MTR. Hong Kong has never hosted the Olympics, it's named that because a Hong Konger won a gold medal during construction so they just decided to rename it Olympic.
I see your Olympic station and raise you 飯給駅 (Itabu Station) in Chiba, Japan.
It basically means "Offering food" station... apparently named for when locals would offer tribute to the warrior troops on their way to subjugate the non-Yamoto people in Japan.
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@jollyburger ... the maps you posted ...

It is interesting how, even back then, (1979) the concepts of the skytrain corresponded roughly to what we have today (only they envisioned Arbutus as the N><S line, not Cambie.
What I find ironic is that the earlier map from 1970 has a "Hastings Line" which got ditched in later plans. Hopefully, there will be a Hastings Line one day, without too much architectural scarring, (that is, in tunnels, not ugly overhead skyways down Hastings).
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2024, 2:02 AM
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In this map from 1986 you can see the Lougheed/Barnet intersection labeled as "Coquitlam Centre Stn". But that would be the name of the proposed station and not what that area was actually called at the time...
Nice find.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2024, 7:10 AM
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Been thinking about a future downtown relief line, and what could be possible. I present to the community, my vision for the western portion of a future "Hastings Line".



Coming east from Commercial Station at Commercial and Hastings (not pictured), the line will travel approximately 650 metres to Clark - Strathcona station serving the new dense neighbourhood west of Clark Drive on the eastern boundary of the Strathcona neighbourhood. This portion is assumed to be tunneled under Hastings Street utilizing similar methods to the Broadway extension.

The line will travel approximately 1.1km from Clark - Strathcona to the Railtown - Jackson Ave station at Jackson Ave and Alexander Street. After Clark - Strathcona the line will curve into a cut and cover tunnel underneath the CN rail corridor, with double tracking of that portion of railway at the same time for the finished product. Once this portion meets the main rail lines just north of the powell street overpass, it will curve and stay in a short cut and cover trench until it meets Alexander Street, from there travelling under Alexander Street until the Railtown - Jackson Avenue station.

The line will then travel approximately 800 metres to Gastown - Carrall Street station, under Alexander Street until a transition just west of the existing Columbia Street station. This portion will require a realignment of the railyard, shifting the tracks north and removing a couple tracks for the station to fit between the Heritage buildings and the railyard. Gastown - Carrall Street station will be an at-grade station.

Approximately 600 metres from Gastown - Carrall Street station the line will connect with the Expo and Canada lines, the Seabus, and the West Coast Express at Waterfront station on a reconfigured Expo / Hastings line interchange.

From Waterfront, the line will follow the Expo Line's alignment under Cordova, on separate tracks to be build beside it before it meets the Thurlow entrance of the current Expo Line tunnels, at which point it will enter a new tunnel constructed underneath Thurlow street. Approximately 1.0 km from Waterfront the line will next stop at a station between Robson and Georgia streets on Thurlow. This station will be constructed to serve the easternmost part of the west end and provide access to the westernmost portion of the central business district for Hastings line commuters (and those connecting with the North Shore / Willingdon line).

From Robson - Georgia the line will travel approximately 650 metres to Davie Village station, which will serve the heart of Davie village and include a direct connection to the redeveloped old St. Paul's hospital, set to be a major redevelopment from Concord Pacific including the future tallest building in Vancouver (in this fantasy world).

The line will then travel underneath the inlet to False Creek from Davie Village for approximately 1.4 km to Kitsilano - Senakw station at the intersection of Burrard Street and Cornwall Avenue. This station will serve the Senakw development, as well as the wider Kitsilano area with direct integration to the redeveloped Molson Brewery.

The terminus for this line will be at a redeveloped Arbutus station, having ample room from the bus loop, which was installed as part of the first portion of the Broadway/UBC Millennium line extensions, this redeveloped station will be approximately 1.0 km from Kitsilano - Senakw station. This will act as a much needed relief line to the northern portion of the Canada Line, which by this point will be one of the busiest sections of the Skytrain network.

Provisions for an extension south along the Arbutus rail ROW will also be made, allowing a connection in Kerrisdale with the 41st/49th avenue Skytrain upon completion.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2024, 9:59 PM
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^ ^ ^ new line ^ ^ ^

I think what you present is practical, and an all around good idea. Connecting a future Hasting Line underground under downtown, to Arbutus ans further connections south is very proactive.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2024, 11:46 PM
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I think what you present is practical, and an all around good idea. Connecting a future Hasting Line underground under downtown, to Arbutus ans further connections south is very proactive.
Thanks!
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