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Old Posted Feb 4, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Overall retail is performing well here, these quick leasings of the vacant spaces is a good sign. As is the Adidas store, and more stores in Pacific Centre. I did walk down Robson a few days ago, and it has certainly improved from previous years. For the past several years or more, Robson had quite a lot of vacant storefronts. It was surprising for Vancouverites who thought of Robson as the "it" spot that stores would compete to open on. But Robson was struggling, and in many North American cities, that struggle is hard to come back from. Once it dies, it needs to be repurposed because the original retail strength died permanently. But Robson seems to have defied this trend, and bounced back with an essentially fully leased retail zone. Not a small feat in 2024, especially compared to many other cities. That leads me to the post below, I posted in the Canada Retail thread but wanted to post here too. Just in case some skeptics don't believe the retail market is doing well, compare to many of our fellow cities, we are in an enviable position:

Metro Vancouver retail tenants ‘hard-pressed’ to find space

Some Metro Vancouver consumers might be pinching their pennies but this hasn’t weakened the region’s retail real estate market.

Average vacancy in high traffic areas such as Robson Street, Yaletown and Kitsilano remained unchanged at 3.9 per cent when compared to June 2023, according to a Jan. 24 report from Colliers Canada.

Across the Metro Vancouver region, average vacancy decreased from 1.5 per cent to 0.7 per cent since last summer, leaving hopeful tenants “hard pressed to find suitable options.”

“Retailers have shown a resilient front as evidenced by an overall decrease in retail vacancy rates. Demand for retail space remains strong with marginal changes in vacancies and will likely remain strong in the coming year,” said the report.

While this is about Vancouver, I think many Canadian cities are the same. The article stood out to me because so often we hear of retail death, downtowns emptying out, crime and disorder increasing. So the takeaway we assume is that retail is dead. But actually going downtown and just exploring, you see this is totally false. Many areas are very lively, and storefronts full. And malls are much fuller in Canada I think, especially compared to the States. The suburban mall death in America has been happening for quite some time, and pre-Covid it was already heading down. But pre-Covid, downtowns in places like New York and San Fran were doing good, the suburban mall pain wasn't afflicting the urban cores. Flash forward to today, and the urban centres are now the big losers. San Fran especially, it is truly sad to see the decline. It's so rampant now, it's just day after day stores are closing and it's like Detroit or something. People will debate the main culprit, depending on personal views. Some will blame homelessness/drugs/crime as the main factor, while others blame the steep drop-off in office workers, creating empty offices, no patrons for restaurant lunches, errands, all the things that are supposed to make a downtown pulse. It is a combination of both, hand in hand, chicken and the egg. Americans had basically accepted the suburban mall death, but the downtowns are dying now too. It's a weird situation to be in when both suburban and urban are suffering, means a real pullback in demand. I guess the stats showing many big cities shrinking is consistent with the downtown declines, but this is insane. If you google San Francisco store closures, you will see how bad it is. Coffee shops, clothing, grocery, drug stores, everything closing. Here's a link from June, since then this has gone way up:

https://images.app.goo.gl/AVSNHdLKBvWVLGyXA

People also blame the city council, police, basically the entire system. But it's business at the end of the day, so the combination of crime, theft, no office workers, and no one coming into downtown has created this. And it will be very hard to come back from when it is at this scale, we're talking Whole Foods, a Hilton Hotel, Nordstrom, Saks, a movie theatre, all the smaller stores like Lululemon, Williams Sonoma, Crate and Barrel, H&M. The Whole Foods closed after just ONE year, one. Imagine building out an entire store like that just to close in 12 months. Whole Foods isn't like a small mom and pop outfit, those places come and go all the time. But big chains don't, they normally stay in new stores for a long long time.

My long drawn out point is, we really should be considering ourselves very lucky in Canada to not suffer the same fate as cities like San Fran. But it is absolutely not a reason to be happy and complacent, it should be watched very closely by politicians all over as what can happen when things spiral. It's a slippery slope from doing OK to nosediving, so people need to be aware of the factors that could lead to an SF situation here in our cities.
Don't forget, the poster child for decline was always Detroit. Poor, down on their luck, rusty Detroit. Just like dozens of midwest cities "rust belt", it was bleak news of closures, population flight, crime, abandoned properties. But these cities were never glitz, rich, or cutting edge, they were always pretty working class. So when they declined, it was very sad for the people there, but people on the coasts or in booming states like Colorado or Texas didn't really relate. Now all of a sudden it is San Francisco; rich, inventive, expensive, in high demand San Francisco. Where average incomes are sky high, the GDP per capita is sky high, tourists flock and stores appeal to wealth. Yes it's always had seedy dark corners and sketchy neighbourhoods, but it existed in its own space, and downtown was bustling. Cities like San Fran are not supposed to experience what Detroit has, it would have been unfathomable only a few years ago. I truly hope it turns around and they get back on track, it's a great place still overall, too good to be dragged into becoming a ghost town...
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With Vancouver doing very well on the World Cup schedule today, and Adidas a FIFA Partner, I guess it comes as less a surprise they picked such a large prime location. It will be interesting to see if downtown Seattle gets a similar pay off (although they have one less game and only one home game but Vancouver gets two.)
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CityMarket at The Post either is already open or opens tomorrow (Feb 2nd).
Had a decent lunch there today-business was brisk.

Still it's a tad pathetic how Vancouverites 'rush to gush' over what's unexceptional; food was worthwhile staff pleasant & well briefed but I can't see going back unless I'm feeling peckish while at the library.
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Had a decent lunch there today-business was brisk.

Still it's a tad pathetic how Vancouverites 'rush to gush' over what's unexceptional; food was worthwhile staff pleasant & well briefed but I can't see going back unless I'm feeling peckish while at the library.
I had the crispy chicken sandwich there today. It was fine.
$8 sandwich plus 1 side (I had onion rings, which were crispy).
The food is taken from the display cabinet, but the bun (bioche style) is lightly toasted through a conveyor oven before asssembly.
There were few options - mayo or hot sauce and lettuce and tomato.
The food prep people do not handle payment (probably good, I suppose), but that makes you line up to get food,
then line up to pay for it (which went fast).
Decent seating area inside the store.

The store is well organized with dry goods to the north, hot food, deli, bakery and meats to the south, and produce in between.
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Still it's a tad pathetic how Vancouverites 'rush to gush' over what's unexceptional;
Wait, you went on the third day CityMarket was open but you're criticizing others others for being excited about it opening?
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Metro Vancouver retail tenants ‘hard-pressed’ to find space
Good to know that demand is still there. Just a couple of years ago the local retail "experts" and "people in the industry" claimed that there is no longer demand for retail.
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Louis Vuitton, Prada, Brunello Cucinelli, Moncler, Versace and Max Mara are some of the luxury brands set to open in the rebuilt mall, Chrystal Burns, executive vice-president of Canadian retail at QuadReal Property Group, told BIV.
Some upscale fashion brands are opening their first stand-alone stores in Metro Vancouver at Oakridge Park: Maison Margiela, Miu Miu, Christian Louboutin and Alexander Wang, she said, adding that those brands would also be considered as having "luxury" products.
"Apple is a long-term partner with us," she said. "They were at Oakridge Centre before. They would love to come back. We have more interest in the retail space than there is space we have to lease, which is the best place to be."
The Oakridge Park enclosed mall set to open next spring is part of a larger nine-acre footprint that includes condominium towers, a community centre and a large park integrated throughout, Burns said.

A second phase of the project is likely to be complete in 2028. It would include what Burns calls a "high street," with about 200,000 square feet of outside retail space. The project is also eventually slated to have a residential rental building and an office building.
Quadreal parent BCI and Westbank have no plans to flip the property, Burns said. Condominiums will be sold to owners, and the community centre’s ownership would transfer to the City of Vancouver.

BCI and Westbank would own an office tower on the northeast corner of the site, a residential rental building, strata office space throughout the development and the enclosed mall and high-street retail space, she said.

Quadreal would then manage that property.

https://biv.com/article/2024/02/louis-vu...tenants-rebuilt-oakridge-shopping-centre
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Louis Vuitton, Prada, Brunello Cucinelli, Moncler, Versace and Max Mara are some of the luxury brands set to open in the rebuilt mall, Chrystal Burns, executive vice-president of Canadian retail at QuadReal Property Group, told BIV.
Some upscale fashion brands are opening their first stand-alone stores in Metro Vancouver at Oakridge Park: Maison Margiela, Miu Miu, Christian Louboutin and Alexander Wang, she said, adding that those brands would also be considered as having "luxury" products.
I know a Rolex and Tudor dealer will also be in the mall.

It's interesting that Oakridge, which will only be about 20 minutes from the Alberni luxury strip by car or transit, will offer all these luxury goods stores while Burnaby or Surrey Central or the north shore or the Tri-Cities go without a true luxury destination. Brentwood is attempting the luxury play but failing at it, IMO.
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I know a Rolex and Tudor dealer will also be in the mall.

It's interesting that Oakridge, which will only be about 20 minutes from the Alberni luxury strip by car or transit, will offer all these luxury goods stores while Burnaby or Surrey Central or the north shore or the Tri-Cities go without a true luxury destination. Brentwood is attempting the luxury play but failing at it, IMO.

It is interesting but not completely out of the blue. Looking at Yorkdale Mall as a parallel in Toronto, it is also about a 20 minute drive from the Yorkville (the main luxury shopping district) and also has subway access (though it also is located beside a major highway too). This northern part of the CoT is more affluent than others.

My take is that the demographics near Oakridge, specifically, net worth and disposable income of residents, are more in line with high end retail than those in Burnaby. Perhaps there is also something to be said regarding branding and Westbank's existing relationships with luxury offerings (given their involvement in Shangrila and PAC Rim). Though WB has shown to be a questionable developer, they definitely know how to market and sell a lifestyle.
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Retail Insider is also jumping on the story with similar info but also photos. It also confirms Harry Rosen and tells us by not telling us(teasing) Chanel:

Oakridge Park in Vancouver Announces First Confirmed Luxury Retail Tenants Ahead of 2025 Grand Opening [Feature]

Retail Insider is aware of many more stores that will be opening at Oakridge Park next year, and the names are impressive. The retail component of Oakridge Park could become the most productive shopping centre in Canada, given its heavy focus on top luxury brands and its potential to pull consumer dollars from the region and beyond. Given sales numbers at downtown stores such as Chanel (said to be about $60m annually), the region can support major luxury brands.

Oakridge Park will compete with downtown Vancouver’s ‘Luxury Zone’, as well as Holt Renfrew which is said to have sales exceeding $400 million annually. The Luxury Zone, located in the area around Alberni Street roughly between the Fairmont Hotel Vancouver and the Shangri-La Hotel, houses a dense clustering of luxury brand stores including several jewellery stores along Alberni Street. Holt Renfrew, anchoring the north end of CF Pacific Centre in about 180,000 square feet over three levels, houses the most comprehensive clustering of luxury brand concessions of any store in Canada. Many of those concession brands will also have standalone stores at Oakridge Park.

https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...nts-ahead-of-2025-grand-opening-feature/
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It is interesting but not completely out of the blue. Looking at Yorkdale Mall as a parallel in Toronto, it is also about a 20 minute drive from the Yorkville (the main luxury shopping district) and also has subway access (though it also is located beside a major highway too). This northern part of the CoT is more affluent than others.

My take is that the demographics near Oakridge, specifically, net worth and disposable income of residents, are more in line with high end retail than those in Burnaby. Perhaps there is also something to be said regarding branding and Westbank's existing relationships with luxury offerings (given their involvement in Shangrila and PAC Rim). Though WB has shown to be a questionable developer, they definitely know how to market and sell a lifestyle.
Luxury is a hard play. The stuff these stores sell are beyond eyewatering prices for what you can buy somewhere else for 1/10th of the price. You need lots of residents with obscene amounts of wealth and income to justify the retail spot. It's no shade to Burnaby that you likely will not find that concentration of wealth there, and people who live in very wealthy parts of Metro Vancouver that are interested in these purchases are not going to be commuting out to Burnaby to shop.

Oakridge is quietly becoming one of the richest parts of town especially on a $/sqft basis. It used to be seen as somewhat wealthy, but not absolute upper crust to be there, but with the new mall and the Cambie Corridor I think we will see that demographic shift and maybe some of the wealthiest choosing that area over the likes of Kerrisdale, Kitsilano, Dunbar etc.
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Luxury is a hard play. The stuff these stores sell are beyond eyewatering prices for what you can buy somewhere else for 1/10th of the price. You need lots of residents with obscene amounts of wealth and income to justify the retail spot. It's no shade to Burnaby that you likely will not find that concentration of wealth there, and people who live in very wealthy parts of Metro Vancouver that are interested in these purchases are not going to be commuting out to Burnaby to shop.

Oakridge is quietly becoming one of the richest parts of town especially on a $/sqft basis. It used to be seen as somewhat wealthy, but not absolute upper crust to be there, but with the new mall and the Cambie Corridor I think we will see that demographic shift and maybe some of the wealthiest choosing that area over the likes of Kerrisdale, Kitsilano, Dunbar etc.
And these so-called luxury goods are available in every city from Honolulu to Houston to Hamburg. Hardly exclusive anymore. However, given where Westbank pitched this project the pretension level is to be expected.
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Since when was the exclusivity of luxury based on geography? It's always been about price point. These brands are certainly still exclusive to the vast majority of people.
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gen z are doom spending, they end up with all these luxury brands.

better parking, less risk of being assaulted in a place like Oakridge will be beneficial. If Las Vegas can have something 6 LV stores on the strip surely Vancouver can have two. Nice to see Versace back in town.

Gen Z are so annoyed that they can’t get on the housing market that they’re ‘doom spending’ on nice things that make them feel like grown-ups
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2 anchors.
Hudson's Bay and they mention Safeway returning, or do they mean another store?
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Miu Miu And Maison Margiela, nice, maybe Dyptique's name will appear in future reveals.

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Brands announced for Oakridge that currently do have standalone stores in the Vancouver market include Christian Louboutin, Miu Miu, Alexander Wang, Maison Margiela, and Versace. Christian Louboutin currently operates a concession at Holt Renfrew in downtown Vancouver, and operated a concession at the downtown Nordstrom store until the Seattle-based company exited Canada last spring. The standalone Miu Miu store announcement is the first in Canada for the Prada-owned brand, which also operates concessions at Holt Renfrew in Vancouver and Toronto. Flashy New York City-based designer Alexander Wang opened his Canadian flagship at 110 Bloor Street West in December, and we were told at the time that Oakridge was part of the expansion plans.

Maison Margiela is an interesting announcement. The French brand, owned by OTB and designed by John Galliano, has been expanding and opening stores recently in major global centres. The once obscure brand founded by Belgian designer Martin Margiela is known for its edgy and unique designs. Oakridge could become the first location for a standalone Margiela store in Canada, unless a store opens in Toronto in the meantime.
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Might one think that the opening of such stores at Oakridge could lead to closures of brands that are currently located downtown? Walking Alberni and around the Hotel Vancouver yesterday, unless the downtown locations do monstrously large sales to the tourist trade, then I'd have to think that some of them might depart downtown to avoid generally-perceived safety issues.
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Might one think that the opening of such stores at Oakridge could lead to closures of brands that are currently located downtown? Walking Alberni and around the Hotel Vancouver yesterday, unless the downtown locations do monstrously large sales to the tourist trade, then I'd have to think that some of them might depart downtown to avoid generally-perceived safety issues.
Everyone has long-term leases, they spend hundreds of thousands on the interior/exterior of their shops... I doubt Alberni won't suddenly change in the next 15-20 years.
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Miu Miu And Maison Margiela, nice, maybe Dyptique's name will appear in future reveals.
The article mentions that many of Holt Renfrew's concessions will set up shop at Oakridge:

"Holt Renfrew, anchoring the north end of CF Pacific Centre in about 180,000 square feet over three levels, houses the most comprehensive clustering of luxury brand concessions of any store in Canada. Many of those concession brands will also have standalone stores at Oakridge Park."

This 'could' include stand alone shops for Celine, Bottega Veneta, Chanel, Dior, Loewe, etc...many of these have stand alone shops in Canada already (i.e. Yorkdale). Other shops at Yorkdale or Bloor Street could also open here (i.e. Acne Jeans, MCM, Ferragamo, Emporio Armani, Golden Goose, Ralph Lauren, etc...).

It will be a very interesting year ahead!
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Maybe those with concessions in HR, plus Alberni, plus Oakridge will close the HR concessions?

s211's comment isn't without precedent, as some stores in Toronto have left Bloor Street for Yorkdale (but it seems that Bloor Street is being backfilled, so not dying).

If the tourist trade picks up again, the downtown locations could cater to them, while the Oakridge loaction could cater to locals.

Harry Rosen must be in Unit 3534 if it's about 16,000 sq ft:

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Toronto-based luxury menswear retailer Harry Rosen told Retail Insider on Wednesday that it would be returning to Oakridge with a new store (it had been a key tenant before the mall’s temporary closure in 2020). The new Harry Rosen will span about 16,000 square feet and will house a series of boutique spaces for luxury brands such as Brioni, Tom Ford and Zegna.
https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...nts-ahead-of-2025-grand-opening-feature/


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