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Old Posted Jan 7, 2024, 4:15 PM
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Real estate trends tend to go on a 7 year boom 7 year bust cycle. Kelowna's previous boom started in 2015 and should've ended in 2022 but COVID must've extended things for a bit as we saw more migration into the region. Expect fewer starts. Hopefully we don't see 9+% unemployment in the region again. I don't know what the stats are now but last bust cycle, somewhere between 5 and 10% of the households had at least one person working in Alberta. Even on the low end of the scale, that's a lot of people.
Anything could happen of course, but I have a feeling Kelowna will do better than in the last downturn. The provincial economy has certainly slowed, but it isn't the total mess that it had been in the past (housing prices/affordability are a total mess, way more than past downturns, but the economy itself overall isn't terrible). And Kelowna is still much cheaper than Vancouver, so it will continue to be a popular intra-migration destination for people from the lower mainland, even moreso since it has many more urban amenities than it did before, which help lower mainlanders feel more settled after leaving the bigger cities. Additionally, Kelowna is always popular with Albertans either as vacation or a permanent move. So while a booming AB economy might be a drain for turning migration negative, it still has positive spinoffs for the Okanagan economically for investment, tourism, and people relocating. AB might have a young population, but it isn't that young, it has a growing baby boomer population like everywhere else. So there's likely going to be immigration from this cohort to Kelowna, since they have the $$, and are looking for a lifestyle more than anything. They've made their money already, or maybe they have a consulting business or something they do from home, so might as well be in the Okanagan instead of anywhere AB. I know this demographic may not be the one locals want to attract, but it does help keeping the economy from nosediving. And like I said, younger migrants from the Lower Mainland still see Kelowna as a much more affordable option, so it isn't all older boomers from AB.

The UBC expansion will also be beneficial economically, and attract more diversity and global connections than ever existed before, which will help the city avoid a downtown like it did when it was still very much a smaller provincial town
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For anyone interested, Google Earth has updated it's 3d buildings for Kelowna from what appears to have been a few months ago.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2024, 11:34 PM
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Kelowna does seem like its rapidly becoming BC's prime inland city. Does make me wonder about the long term prospects for rapid transit. There are lots of less wealthy countries in Europe with cities of a few hundred thousand with light metro systems - Rennes, Brescia, Toulouse etc.

It would feel so perfectly BC for Kelowna to get a light-SkyTrain someday as opposed to the natural North American direction of a rather slow and unpopular light rail system.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2024, 1:14 AM
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The city is growing for sure. In 2023 Kelowna was #4 leading in Canada ( pretty much just behind Calgary and Edmonton) for immigration based on U-Haul tracking of the one-way trips, people make!

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/46...ies-for-B-C-6-others-crack-top-25#466364

Also the council approved 2 6 story buildings yesterday, Sole Bernard and 1864 Gordon (which they were complementing a lot for achieving all of the city requirements without asking for alterations haha).

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Kelowna does seem like its rapidly becoming BC's prime inland city. Does make me wonder about the long term prospects for rapid transit. There are lots of less wealthy countries in Europe with cities of a few hundred thousand with light metro systems - Rennes, Brescia, Toulouse etc.

It would feel so perfectly BC for Kelowna to get a light-SkyTrain someday as opposed to the natural North American direction of a rather slow and unpopular light rail system.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2024, 1:17 AM
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I also wanted to share my frustration about how on Castanet doesn't matter what is approved or built, it's getting all angry reactions, people just don't want it to grow.

And UBCO Downtown is getting a lot of anger on their forum for the cracks in nearby buildings, they demanding that construction to stop
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I also wanted to share my frustration about how on Castanet doesn't matter what is approved or built, it's getting all angry reactions, people just don't want it to grow.

And UBCO Downtown is getting a lot of anger on their forum for the cracks in nearby buildings, they demanding that construction to stop
Wonder if theres any way the mayor/city council could be swayed to cancel the project or if we're far beyond that.
Hope the later, the growing pains may be annoying for people but when the project is completed it'll pay so much dividends
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I wouldn't worry, that's been the norm for years and it hasn't stopped any of the other projects.

I also think this time around even if there is a slow down some proposed towers will still proceed into development.

It just feels that Kelowna has now hit a critical mass where tower construction will now be a more continuous thing.
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Kelowna does seem like its rapidly becoming BC's prime inland city. Does make me wonder about the long term prospects for rapid transit. There are lots of less wealthy countries in Europe with cities of a few hundred thousand with light metro systems - Rennes, Brescia, Toulouse etc.

It would feel so perfectly BC for Kelowna to get a light-SkyTrain someday as opposed to the natural North American direction of a rather slow and unpopular light rail system.
Becoming? It already is. What other inland BC city is ahead of Kelowna currently?

Also, before I moved to Kelowna I never understood the anti growth sentiment. Used to just think it was boomer nimbys. But now that I live here I kind of understand. The provincial government has completely neglected infrastructure improvements. Traffic and transit is a nightmare. Schools are over crowded and turning kids away. The hospital is a joke. The growth has kind of caught everyone by surprise I guess.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2024, 1:34 AM
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The article talks about the struggle to fill new offices (Landmark 7 and the Block), current occupancy is at 40%. Mission Group canceled plans to build another office tower next to UBCO because of it, saying only Residential from now on

https://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/n...od_for_highrise_office_space_in_Kelowna/
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Can anyone link me or share me the UBC tower elevations / schematics?

For some reason it's the only project I can't find on the Kelowna City developments page.

I saw them for the original 46 floor plan (509 feet, 155 meters)

But then they bitched out like a bunch of assholes and downsized to 43 floors, but I heard that it was only reduced 5 metres to 150 metres.

Yet, I want to confirm this for myself and give them to Koops who might add it to the tower diagram for us.

Can anyone link / help out on this?

Been going crazy trying to search for it, just getting the same fluff articles that give the floor count, but nothing else.
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Can anyone link me or share me the UBC tower elevations / schematics?

For some reason it's the only project I can't find on the Kelowna City developments page.

I saw them for the original 46 floor plan (509 feet, 155 meters)

But then they bitched out like a bunch of assholes and downsized to 43 floors, but I heard that it was only reduced 5 metres to 150 metres.

Yet, I want to confirm this for myself and give them to Koops who might add it to the tower diagram for us.

Can anyone link / help out on this?

Been going crazy trying to search for it, just getting the same fluff articles that give the floor count, but nothing else.
Below is the link to the staff report and elevations for the development permit. It will have the development regulations for the project. The DP indicates 150m / 43 storeys. The project was under a CD zoning which did permit 160 m / 46 storeys. The original proposal was 155 m and 46 storeys. After push back from the public council did ask the applicant to reduce it slightly and that is how it went down to 43 storeys, but only drop 5m in overall height.

https://kelownapublishing.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=40899

https://kelownapublishing.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=40902

Below is also a new rendering of the project. The other three towers are not accurate but different look of UBCO.


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Thanks very much! So odd that they don't have it on their interactive projects map.
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Thanks very much! So odd that they don't have it on their interactive projects map.
Which interactive project map?
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I am guessing this one http://www.kelowna.ca/homes-building/property-development/current-development-applications

Also, where did you find the new rendering picture? And why 3 buildings aren't accurate? It's proposed One Varsity on the right and the Mission group's offices on the left, which is canceled for now, but was a thing at the time.

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Old Posted Jan 19, 2024, 5:56 AM
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I am guessing this one http://www.kelowna.ca/homes-building/property-development/current-development-applications

Also, where did you find the new rendering picture? And why 3 buildings aren't accurate? It's proposed One Varsity on the right and the Mission group's offices on the left, which is canceled for now, but was a thing at the time.
The link provided shows all active/proposed applications with the planning department. The reason why UBCO wouldn’t be on there anymore is because there are no longer “open” files with planning. The rezoning and development permit applications were approved and closed.

Why i say not quite accurate is because several years ago mission group proposed two towers on the adjacent property to UBCO. The applications were later closed as they were not moving forward with the project (also why not on the link above). To date no application has been submitted so there future plans for the site are tbd.

I saw the rendering posted on LinkedIn by one of the UBCO employees on the project.

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I also wanted to share my frustration about how on Castanet doesn't matter what is approved or built, it's getting all angry reactions, people just don't want it to grow.

And UBCO Downtown is getting a lot of anger on their forum for the cracks in nearby buildings, they demanding that construction to stop
I don't think its so much that they don't want Kelowna to grow. I think its due to city council giving to the stamp of approval to every single project, without truly considering the pros and cons. People are getting tired of that.

As for them demanding the UBCO construction stops due to the cracking, I entirely agree. Something is wrong, and its a disaster waiting to happen. Pause it until its investigated. An excavation of that magnitude is a first for Kelowna. Things are gonna go from bad to worse if Interior Health or Madison building start cracking too. Uh oh!
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This is why parking podiums are used so often in Kelowna over underground parking.
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This is why parking podiums are used so often in Kelowna over underground parking.
On a funny note about parkades, I am in Kuala Lumpur right now, most tall buildings have like 9-10 stories of the parkade before the residential levels start. And no setbacks.

And we all cry about the 4 story parkades I feel like the parkade doesn't matter as much, as the first two floors. If the first two levels are businesses and public spaces, then it is still nice and friendly to people on the ground level.
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I don't think its so much that they don't want Kelowna to grow. I think its due to city council giving to the stamp of approval to every single project, without truly considering the pros and cons. People are getting tired of that.

As for them demanding the UBCO construction stops due to the cracking, I entirely agree. Something is wrong, and its a disaster waiting to happen. Pause it until its investigated. An excavation of that magnitude is a first for Kelowna. Things are gonna go from bad to worse if Interior Health or Madison building start cracking too. Uh oh!
Not all buildings had been green-lighted. In recent few years, 2020 (46 storey) was refused, Coronation Avenue 3 tower development was also denied. Then Muse tower DP was pulled. https://developkelowna.ca/projects/hold (9 towers never materialized)

Regarding the UBCO, the same forum thread says:
"When Madison was built the roads and sidewalks around it were sunken and buckled.
Cherry Hill coffee across the alley was full of cracks and thousands spent to level it back.
The awning company next to it on Ellis was badly damaged and the slab had holes cut in it to jack it up.
The perimeter was also dug up and jacked.
Multiple cracks and damage to both businesses."

So maybe not so unusual?
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To me that says there are soil conditions that were neither expected, nor was the scope of the work altered once it was realized there were going to be problems.

Sue their pants off.
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