[Burnaby] The Amazing Brentwood | 15 Towers | 186m | 56 flrs | U/C & Proposed

[jollyburger]

But the commercial numbers isn't dramatically changing so I still think they'll find a way to integrate it. And the mall replacement wasn't a huge square footage change as well.

There are no proposed changes to the permitted commercial density within the amended Brentwood Site Conceptual Master Plan. However, with the introduction of the RUZP, 49% of the available commercial density may be used as commercial rental, where 51% of the commercial density is used for traditional commercial purposes, such as retail, office or hotel uses.

However, the commercial area is identified to extend northward along the Ridgelawn Drive extension, to serve residents of the Terraced Residential Zone, and areas beyond to the north and northeast of the site. The commercial uses within this area may include groundoriented retail, restaurants, office spaces, hotel and commercial residential rental.

Here's the map included with the Tower 7 rezoning



https://storeys.com/shape-amazing-brentwood-tower-7/

But maybe it's more likely it will be a full demo instead of the new roof plan?

[Klazu]

Ridiculous heights to piss off existing complex residents. Living in a shadow of a building is what condos in Brentwood will be all about.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

But the commercial numbers isn't dramatically changing so I still think they'll find a way to integrate it. And the mall replacement wasn't a huge square footage change as well.

Chances are the retail will be more street oriented.
Short of massive transfer beams and skylobbies for the towers, the services needed for the towers would severely eat into the areas otherwise occupied by the mall, or at least eliminate large airy open spaces.
Those 3 towers are directly over the current mall corridor.
That is, unless they did a comprehensive system of underground loading bays and access points like at Pacific Centre.
The old plan did not have excavation under the existing mall, but with the new towers, they would have to excavate down.

[Vantage]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Ridiculous heights to piss off existing complex residents. Living in a shadow of a building is what condos in Brentwood will be all about.

A "vertical ghetto" if you will

[jollyburger]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with how much parking they want to provide. I guess the mall renovations plan was a short-term thing since all the old plans seemed to have the new towers on the same locations?

Mall reno report:

https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=61566

[theKB]

Is LVMH's L Catterton still involved with this project? There is nothing particularly "high end" about the amazing brentwood as it stands but I guess future retail development is still to come? The announcement of the investment by them was nearly 7 years ago so I could see how that could be derailed.

https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...nces-l-catterton-partnership-lvmh-shape/

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

It'll be interesting to see what happens with how much parking they want to provide. I guess the mall renovations plan was a short-term thing since all the old plans seemed to have the new towers on the same locations?

Mall reno report:

https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=61566

You can see that there's now an at-grade mews between T7 and T8 that was, in the mall renovation application, planned to be a protected indoor statutory right-of-way.

[jollyburger]

The presentation for Amazing Brentwood is happening now

https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings.com/...?Id=b171db07-c1e4-46a8-9dd9-8b6c3b9ecc3b

Comments (in progress)

Pushback from a councilor on how the completed development should or shouldn't include the FSR of the rest of the site. How master plans are affected by the TOA changes. I guess they think they just want to take all the additional FSR and make condos and it's some kind of gift from the province.

Staff said this is only to implement Rental Use Zoning Policy and nothing to do with the provincial TOA.

Continued from staff. The Master Plan as-is can't proceed since it's not compliant with RUZP so it would have to be revisited anyways.

The corner only commercial zoning is the main thing being updated that will affect the rest of the site.

[Precix]

Originally Posted by officedweller

This screams to me that the mall is gone from long term plans, especially with foundations for taller towers.


https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings.com/FileStream.ashx?DocumentId=73815

Yep there is no way they can build those tower without demolishing the existing mall. Not a fan of this plan just a marketing scheme to increase profits at the expense of the people who live there.

[griswold]

I was there yesterday and the old mall looks like half of the stores are empty or closed. But a couple of them looked like they were doing renovations so I guess they’re planning on being there for a while.

[Redtruck]

Originally Posted by Precix

Yep there is no way they can build those tower without demolishing the existing mall. Not a fan of this plan just a marketing scheme to increase profits at the expense of the people who live there.

I listened to the public hearing, and I hope there is strong opposition to these amendments based on the new provincial guidelines. The developer is essentially using this as a windfall and trying to take full advantage of it. The Brentwood Town Center already will have more than enough density with all the project proposals. Once this area is fully built out, just imagine the wait times on the SkyTrain, increased traffic, crowded city parks, hospitals, the list goes on. The developer should not be allowed to simply increase density on a preapproved plan. It's complete nonsense and greed in my opinion. At least there are some smart people in the council to stand up to this bullshit. People need to realize that too much density is not always good thing especially when the city already lacks the infrastructure to support the population.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Redtruck

I listened to the public hearing, and I hope there is strong opposition to these amendments based on the new provincial guidelines. The developer is essentially using this as a windfall and trying to take full advantage of it. The Brentwood Town Center already will have more than enough density with all the project proposals. Once this area is fully built out, just imagine the wait times on the SkyTrain, increased traffic, crowded city parks, hospitals, the list goes on. The developer should not be allowed to simply increase density on a preapproved plan. It's complete nonsense and greed in my opinion. At least there are some smart people in the council to stand up to this bullshit. People need to realize that too much density is not always good thing especially when the city already lacks the infrastructure to support the population.

If Brentwood doesn't have the infrastructure (new Burnaby hospital down the street, underutilized Skytrain station, 4900 Dawson planned for a new Elementary school), then where does?

The new provincial guidelines are a windfall, for developers and for the province. Unless you're of the belief we don't need more housing in this city, of course. I'm sure there are some duplexes which have already been approved in the City of Vancouver near Skytrain Stations that are going to go come back with proposals for 16 story condos. And that's good. Just because they're already approved for one thing, doesn't mean they can't reapply to do something else. They should and ought to take advantage of the policies the province has enacted to open up housing development.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Redtruck

I listened to the public hearing, and I hope there is strong opposition to these amendments based on the new provincial guidelines. The developer is essentially using this as a windfall and trying to take full advantage of it. The Brentwood Town Center already will have more than enough density with all the project proposals. Once this area is fully built out, just imagine the wait times on the SkyTrain, increased traffic, crowded city parks, hospitals, the list goes on. The developer should not be allowed to simply increase density on a preapproved plan. It's complete nonsense and greed in my opinion. At least there are some smart people in the council to stand up to this bullshit. People need to realize that too much density is not always good thing especially when the city already lacks the infrastructure to support the population.

The city staff essentially said it is a requirement for them to revisit the density because of the changes Burnaby made with their rental policy and nothing to do with the changes the province made. And just because a master plan was approved completely ignore the fact each phase has to go through a secondary approval process which means they are subject to all the current changes to density/parking/rentals.

[GenWhy?]

"also submitted an alternate version of the proposal that would see Tower Seven rise to 61 storeys and feature a six-storey office podium with a bit over 140,000 sq. ft of office space."

Now that sounds promising!

[officedweller]

From November 2023 showing the 6-storey office podium option (could/should be taller the office base like at Solo District).

Originally Posted by officedweller

Pics of Tower 7 from Daily Hive:

56 Storey All Rental Apartment Option:


Artistic rendering of The Amazing Brentwood’s Tower 7. (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby


Artistic rendering of The Amazing Brentwood’s Tower 7. (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)


Artistic rendering of The Amazing Brentwood’s Tower 7. (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby


Artistic rendering of The Amazing Brentwood’s Tower 7. (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby


Tower 7 design options of a 56-storey rental housing tower (left) or a 61-storey tower with rental housing and office uses (right). (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby

61 Storey Rental Apartment and Office Podium Option:


Alternative concept: Artistic rendering of The Amazing Brentwood’s Tower 7 with office space. (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby


Alternative concept: Artistic rendering of The Amazing Brentwood’s Tower 7 with office space. (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby


Alternative concept: Artistic rendering of The Amazing Brentwood’s Tower 7 with office space. (Arcadis Architects/Shape Properties)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-amazing-brentwood-tower-7-rental-housing-burnaby

[vanman]

80 story towers at the centre of the site now proposed:

CONDO, DEVELOPMENT, RENTAL
Amazing Brentwood One of First to Amend Master Plan Due to TOA Policy
Shape Properties has submitted a rezoning application to amend the master plan for their 28-acre ‘Amazing Brentwood‘ site in the Brentwood Town Centre area of Burnaby.

The master plan for the Amazing Brentwood site was originally approved in 2013 and included 11 residential towers in addition to substantial retail and commercial space. Subsequently, five towers have been completed (or under construction), with two further towers in the application phase. The remaining density on site is now subject to the City of Burnaby’s Rental Use Zoning Policy (RUZP), adopted in 2021.

Furthermore, on November 30, 2023, the BC Legislature granted Royal Assent to Bill 47- 2023
Housing Statutes (Transit-Oriented Areas) Amendment Act 2023. Bill 47 enables the Province to mandate specific densities, size, and/or dimensions of buildings within transit-oriented areas (TOAs) based on specific distances to transit stations, and restrictions on residential off-street requirements within these
TOAs. The Amazing Brentwood site is within a 200m radius of the Skytrain Station, thereby requiring the City of Burnaby to permit a minimum 5.0 FAR density for the site.

Shape is now proposing a variety of amendments to the Master Plan to accommodate the required additional nonmarket inclusionary rental density, associated offset density and new TOA policy

The proposed changes are summarized as follows:

Increased tower heights up to 80-storeys at centre of site;
An additional 4.7 Million SF of residential density (2.4M SF minimum rental);
No additional commercial floor area (the RUZP allows 50% of comm density as rental residential);
Addition of childcare space;
Additional green space.

https://vancouvermarket.ca/

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by vanman

80 story towers at the centre of the site now proposed:
https://vancouvermarket.ca/

It's already been discussed quite a bit here. It's up to 80 storeys. The towers already built, at 56 storeys were built where the initial plan said Shape could build up to 70 storeys. They're now getting flexibility to build higher - but that doesn't mean they will.

[vanman]

I somehow missed all that discussion. Thanks.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by Changing City

They're now getting flexibility to build higher - but that doesn't mean they will.

With the removal of parking minimums wouldn't taller towers potentially be more economically viable?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by vanman

With the removal of parking minimums wouldn't taller towers potentially be more economically viable?

Potentially, a bit, but so far, for condos, there's no sign developers will reduce the parking they provide by much. For example, 904 Davie, Downtown, has no parking requirement, and they've proposed 148 stalls for 179 strata units in 9 underground floors.