[Burnaby] The Amazing Brentwood | 15 Towers | 186m | 56 flrs | U/C & Proposed

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

Shape did put out a master plan model about height distribution of towers with the idea of sloping towards SFH to the north. Unless Shape sold out to another developer, I hope they would adhere to their master plan.

Shape have changed the original plan quite a bit. For a start, they were allowed to include towers to 70 storeys, but only went to 56. They have changed the sequence of phases, which is why they're planning Tower 7, and haven't tried to build Tower 4. They initially showed the fabric roof retained, but then it was shown as a flat roof, and now there might be towers and how the mall might be reconfigured isn't completely clear.

In the meantime The City of Burnaby have also adopted new zoning bonus policies that allow higher densities in exchange for additional market, and non-market units, so a number of projects have been revisited for taller towers and greater density, including this one.

And in the future the new Provincial policies for density around transit means that most of those single family homes closest to the mall can be redeveloped, without a rezoning, at up to 8 storeys of residential.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Shape have changed the original plan quite a bit. For a start, they were allowed to include towers to 70 storeys, but only went to 56. They have changed the sequence of phases, which is why they're planning Tower 7, and haven't tried to build Tower 4. They initially showed the fabric roof retained, but then it was shown as a flat roof, and now there might be towers and how the mall might be reconfigured isn't completely clear.

In the meantime The City of Burnaby have also adopted new zoning bonus policies that allow higher densities in exchange for additional market, and non-market units, so a number of projects have been revisited for taller towers and greater density, including this one.

And in the future the new Provincial policies for density around transit means that most of those single family homes closest to the mall can be redeveloped, without a rezoning, at up to 8 storeys of residential.

Back in 2012 it seemed like the phasing wasn't 100% nailed down to the Tower numbers.

The NW Quadrant which is currently Phase 2:

"Although it is anticipated that the Northwest Quadrant, shown in Figure 5, bound by Willingdon Avenue, Halifax Street, the Hight Street and the north lane, would be the third phase of development, this phase could conceivably proceed as the second phase or concurrently with the Southeast Quadrant"

And the renderings at the time showed a green roof over the mall redevelopment.

https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/media/.../Unrestricted/2012/30-Jul-2012/90595.pdf

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Back in 2012 it seemed like the phasing wasn't 100% nailed down to the Tower numbers.

The NW Quadrant which is currently Phase 2:

"Although it is anticipated that the Northwest Quadrant, shown in Figure 5, bound by Willingdon Avenue, Halifax Street, the Hight Street and the north lane, would be the third phase of development, this phase could conceivably proceed as the second phase or concurrently with the Southeast Quadrant"

And the renderings at the time showed a green roof over the mall redevelopment.

https://search.heritageburnaby.ca/media/.../Unrestricted/2012/30-Jul-2012/90595.pdf

Thanks. They seem to have changed their mind about what to do with the current mall area several times since the master plan (which was submitted in 2011).

And they started Phase 2 by building Tower 3, and then stopped and switched to Phase 3 with Towers 5 and 6, and now 7 (which was identified as being in 'the fourth and final phase'), so the plan and phasing has evolved several times, and will no doubt continue to change. If they had completed the Southeast Quadrant they might have developed the location where they said they were planning to build a grocery store, but that's not been submitted.

The layout in the Daily Hive article now shows 15 towers, with two of them above the existing mall - which has been noted suggests a quite different plan, a long way from where they started 12 years ago. (This earlier (2014) version had more sculpted towers, doesn't appear to have contemplated a tower where T7 is going to be built, and had a different design for a fabric roof).


[source: The Skyscraper Centre]

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by VarBreStr18

Why is it not a "fact"? Do you even understand what is time line? If Mr Smith moves in from out of country and wants to buy in TAB, none available because of rental only tower, Mr Smith has to either look elsewhere or wait for something available . I don't even know what is your point of playing with words to suit your narrative.
Shape did put out a master plan model about height distribution of towers with the idea of sloping towards SFH to the north. Unless Shape sold out to another developer, I hope they would adhere to their master plan.

I just love the fact that you gave that as an example (seemingly) without the slightest hint of self-awareness or irony at what you were suggesting, much less even complaining about.

Indeed.
Developers should be more cognizant and look out for the needs of overseas investo.....er......I mean,....buyers coming in from overseas, at the expense of the need for affordable housing for Canadian residents and citizens who actually live here.

That really sounds like plan.



And developers change their master plans all the time -in terms of the tower heights, housing types, programs and uses....etc.

Whether its because of changing city and municipality zoning and housing regulations and city plans that have different requirements on them, or be it because of changing market conditions that make previous master plans no longer as viable or profitable for them.

Think of any major development in the GVA currently under construction or proposal or recently completed and compare it to the original master plans proposed and you'll see what I mean.
Concord Metrotown, Oakridge, Concord Brentwood, Station Square.....etc.

Given how long the build out time is for most of these developments from the initial proposals it would almost be foolhardy to expected them not to change or be adapted by their developers into whatever suits the market at the time they're building them.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

70 storey tower? yes please.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

The upper level Starbucks by London Drugs was closed down February 1.

How long had it been open?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

70 storey tower? yes please.

Shape preferred 56, or less. Towers 1, 2 and 7 are at 56, Tower 3 is 54, Tower 5 is 51 and Tower 6 is 39.

[jollyburger]

Here's something directly from Shape on the economics of 70 storeys in 2012.

The final height of a tower is determined by a fine balancing act between presale numbers and building costs. “Once you get over 50 to 55 storeys, you’re looking at premiums,” for additional elevator banks, and wind and earthquake considerations, Kwiatkowski said.

Darren Kwiatkowski, Shape Properties executive vice-president.

https://vancouversun.com/news/coming-soon-to-a-suburb-near-you-highrise-development

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by whatnext

How long had it been open?

for many years, there were two Starbucks, the first one that closed was on the lower level, I wanna say it was next to the Scotiabank on the outside but was closed for redevelopment. And then the plaza location opened and shortly after that they closed the upper level location. I worked in the area in 2007 or so and the Starbucks was up there. A couple of decades I guess.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

for many years, there were two Starbucks, the first one that closed was on the lower level, I wanna say it was next to the Scotiabank on the outside but was closed for redevelopment. And then the plaza location opened and shortly after that they closed the upper level location. I worked in the area in 2007 or so and the Starbucks was up there. A couple of decades I guess.

Ah, okay. So not a recent tenant then. I must admit I'm mystified by which Starbucks remain open as some don't seem to be in high-traffic zones. Hornby and Drake for instance. I guess Oak and 39th benefits from construction workers around Oakridge.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Hornby and Drake for instance. I guess Oak and 39th benefits from construction workers around Oakridge.

Hornby and Drake is busy, lots of construction in the area, new towers, and more to come.

[officedweller]

Evolve Strength opens Monday Dec 4th.


https://join.evolvestrength.ca/brentwood


https://theamazingbrentwood.com/directory/directory-map/

[TetYVR]

Hi all,
Great thread, very interesting to read all the insights.
With some of the openings at Brentwood being delayed, does anyone know what the ETA is for Hello Nori, Tap&Barrel, the Hotpot place and Suit Supply?
Suit supply’s section has been wrapped for a long time and it sounds like a loud generator noise is coming from inside day and night.
Hello Nori has been looking bare for a long time as well. At least Tap has spring as a target.

Cheers

[53064043]

Originally Posted by TetYVR

Hi all,
Great thread, very interesting to read all the insights.
With some of the openings at Brentwood being delayed, does anyone know what the ETA is for Hello Nori, Tap&Barrel, the Hotpot place and Suit Supply?
Suit supply’s section has been wrapped for a long time and it sounds like a loud generator noise is coming from inside day and night.
Hello Nori has been looking bare for a long time as well. At least Tap has spring as a target.

Cheers

I'm not sure if this is related to delays, but the owner of Hello Nori is wanted in the US. He previously owned a tech company that sold encrypted phones to people involved in drug/crime world.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epxnnp/crime-boss-or-tech-ceo-sky-global-sues-government-domains

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epxnnp/crime-boss-or-tech-ceo-sky-global-sues-government-domains

https://www.theregister.com/2023/05/13/drug_arrests_sky_ecc/

[SpongeG]

The Hello Nori at Park Royal is progressing, they have removed the hoarding there and it has window stickers and it says opening .... I didn't pay attention as to when possibly 2024, but it seems it is happening, so perhaps they are building the locations out one at a time?

Tap & Barrel was always going to be Summer 2024. The hot pot place is opening May 2024 according to the daily hive article.

Suit Supply on their website has the Brentwood location listed in their website as coming soon. https://suitsupply.com/en-ca/stores/Vancouver
Address
Vancouver
4567 Lougheed Highway
Burnaby, BC V5C 3Z6

[jollyburger]

I assume it's hard to get any good views into the pit. Here's some video from the tower crane. Tower 6 core pad is done.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0pplGyueBx/

2000m2 pour.

[Beantowner]

There are more pictures with a good view into the pit here:

https://www.facebook.com/NewFirmus/

They have posted 4 sets of pictures from December 9 at various times of the day.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Beantowner

There are more pictures with a good view into the pit here:

https://www.facebook.com/NewFirmus/

They have posted 4 sets of pictures from December 9 at various times of the day.

Some older photos of the crane going up and the T5 slab pour here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/190535580@N04/albums/72177720310588945/

[jollyburger]

Big changes incoming including some because of the provincial TOA. Goodbye 56 storeys and hello 80?

A rezoning application has been received in order to advance a master plan
amendment for the Brentwood Site Conceptual Master Plan to incorporate inclusionary
rental requirements, day-care provisions, and a neighbourhood park into the plan. The
application also proposes to designate the northeast corner of Willingdon Avenue and
Lougheed Highway for high-density mixed-use in the Brentwood Town Centre
Development Plan, to bring the site into conformity with the surrounding core area and
Provincial legislation. This report is seeking authority for staff to undertake a public
consultation process to receive public input on the amended Brentwood Site Conceptual
Master Plan.

New conceptual massing

55 to 80 Tower 8 and Tower 10
50 to 70 Tower 14
45 to 60 for T07, T09, T11, T12, T13
35 to 50 for T06, T04, T15

The proposed zoning changes would create an additional allowable maximum density of 3.93 FAR, or 434,129.9 m2 (4,672,935 sq.ft.) of gross floor area (GFA) provided across the 28-acre site.

No huge changes to commercial. Some stuff about park and daycare space as well.

https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings.com/FileStream.ashx?DocumentId=73815

Meeting is Wednesday night for anyone that wants to watch.

[officedweller]

This screams to me that the mall is gone from long term plans, especially with foundations for taller towers.


https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings.com/FileStream.ashx?DocumentId=73815