New Vancouver Art Gallery | Proposed - Page 98

csbvan · #**1941** Posted **Sep 22, 2023, 7:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by djh

The building isn't going to be large enough to show the majority of the VAG's collection anyway...and now they're removing a whole floor of exhibition space from the design?!

This was always my biggest issue about the new project: they have a whole city block to build upon, they know the size of the VAG's existing permanent collection (~12,000 pieces), they've gone on record in the media stating that the existing site is nowhere near large enough (165,000 sq. ft) to display their permanent collection - it only can hold "a fraction" of it while the rest sits in storage...yet they designed a new space at about double the size - 300,000 sq. ft., that doesn't solve the problem! Why not design it to be big enough for purpose, and make the VAG a major provincial, if not national, resource? Is this because they don't want to overshadow the Royal BC Museum in Victoria?

As per OfficeDweller's post, size of the proposed exhibition space is sacrosanct. Not changing.

jollyburger · #**1942** Posted **Sep 22, 2023, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by djh

The building isn't going to be large enough to show the majority of the VAG's collection anyway...and now they're removing a whole floor of exhibition space from the design?!

This was always my biggest issue about the new project: they have a whole city block to build upon, they know the size of the VAG's existing permanent collection (~12,000 pieces), they've gone on record in the media stating that the existing site is nowhere near large enough (165,000 sq. ft) to display their permanent collection - it only can hold "a fraction" of it while the rest sits in storage...yet they designed a new space at about double the size - 300,000 sq. ft., that doesn't solve the problem! Why not design it to be big enough for purpose, and make the VAG a major provincial, if not national, resource? Is this because they don't want to overshadow the Royal BC Museum in Victoria?

The two upper floors were only built into the project so they could be used by some other gallery/partner organization.

Tysonbrown · #**1943** Posted **Sep 22, 2023, 8:47 PM**

This project looks like a piece of — and it will look like mossy — in just few years. This design would look a lot better if it were on a large grassy knoll. Like the Conservatory on Little Mountain. It's gonna look terrible jammed in downtown.

teriyaki · #**1944** Posted **Sep 22, 2023, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by djh

The building isn't going to be large enough to show the majority of the VAG's collection anyway...and now they're removing a whole floor of exhibition space from the design?!

This was always my biggest issue about the new project: they have a whole city block to build upon, they know the size of the VAG's existing permanent collection (~12,000 pieces), they've gone on record in the media stating that the existing site is nowhere near large enough (165,000 sq. ft) to display their permanent collection - it only can hold "a fraction" of it while the rest sits in storage...yet they designed a new space at about double the size - 300,000 sq. ft., that doesn't solve the problem! Why not design it to be big enough for purpose, and make the VAG a major provincial, if not national, resource? Is this because they don't want to overshadow the Royal BC Museum in Victoria?

I think its simply coming down to cost. Isn't the project already well overbudget?

Migrant_Coconut · #**1945** Posted **Sep 22, 2023, 9:30 PM**

165k to 300k is almost a twofold increase in space - if they still don't have enough room for Emily Carr or the Group of Seven, I'd argue the deficiency is in the VAG itself, not the premises.

djmk · #**1946** Posted **Sep 22, 2023, 10:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

165k to 300k is almost a twofold increase in space - if they still don't have enough room for Emily Carr or the Group of Seven, I'd argue the deficiency is in the VAG itself, not the premises.

doubling of the area space does not necessarily mean doubling of the wall (or perimeter) space.

osirisboy · #**1947** Posted **Sep 22, 2023, 10:29 PM**

I don’t think there is a gallery on the planet that has enough exhibit space to show their complete collections. Lol.

The size of the exhibit space is fine.

seamusmcduff · #**1948** Posted **Sep 23, 2023, 1:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by djh

Specifically, copper sheeting.
Which means it'll go from the lovely warm brown hues we see in the renders now to...years of not looking good before it finally properly patinas to bluey-green. That will take decades and decades.

Cue the generation who will look at the Art Gallery and literally call it an eyesore as its outward skin will look streaked and a mishmash of patchy colour.

Is it actually copper, or just (other) metal sheet coated to look copper? Or if it is copper, I'm sure they would give it a coating to ensure it doesn't turn green. Otherwise I'm sure they would show the future green in the renders. After all the oxidization of copper isn't exactly an unknown issue.

officedweller · #**1949** Posted **Sep 23, 2023, 3:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

Is it actually copper, or just (other) metal sheet coated to look copper? Or if it is copper, I'm sure they would give it a coating to ensure it doesn't turn green. Otherwise I'm sure they would show the future green in the renders. After all the oxidization of copper isn't exactly an unknown issue.

I was wondering that too.
i.e. will the copper clad balcony ceilings at Vancouver House change to a green patina or have they been coated?

Looks like the Globe and Mail article is no longer behind a pay wall:

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With costs climbing, the Vancouver Art Gallery’s plans for its new home must change
Marsha Lederman
MARSHA LEDERMAN
PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 19, 2023
UPDATED YESTERDAY
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Here’s the less-advertised news: Rather than try to raise more money to construct the facility as planned, VAG officials are doing the more responsible thing: cutting costs. The original vision for the new building is no longer feasible.

“In the last weeks and months, we have reduced the scope of the project,” VAG CEO and executive director Anthony Kiendl said in an interview on Monday, during a break from discussions. “That redesign is happening live right now.”

Some things will have to go. Some have already gone, including the third underground level and the extra beyond-code parking spots that went with it. This is good for all sorts of reasons, including the fact that the site is steps from a SkyTrain station.

The building’s planned ninth storey has also been axed. The footprints for the restaurant and administrative offices have been reduced.

Other possibilities being debated include altering materials, perhaps switching out the exterior’s planned red cedar to hemlock, which is much cheaper.

There are four areas Mr. Kiendl says are sacrosanct must-haves, though: showcasing art and artists (doubling the exhibition space to 80,000 square feet); community learning (multiple classrooms are part of the design – the current site only has one); environmental responsibility (a “carbon-resilient” design); and Indigenous culture. The Coast Salish-inspired weaving pattern on the building’s exterior, designed in collaboration with First Nations artists, is a must.

“And then we have to make some really difficult decisions,” Mr. Kiendl
...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...ver-art-gallerys-plans-for-its-new-home/

jollyburger · #**1950** Posted **Sep 23, 2023, 5:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

Is it actually copper, or just (other) metal sheet coated to look copper? Or if it is copper, I'm sure they would give it a coating to ensure it doesn't turn green. Otherwise I'm sure they would show the future green in the renders. After all the oxidization of copper isn't exactly an unknown issue.

Just copper coloured metal.

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/688-cambie-appendix-e.pdf

jollyburger · #**1951** Posted **Sep 23, 2023, 5:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

I was wondering that too.
i.e. will the copper clad balcony ceilings at Vancouver House change to a green patina or have they been coated?

Looks like the Globe and Mail article is no longer behind a pay wall:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...ver-art-gallerys-plans-for-its-new-home/

In the rezoning they said it would keep its brightness so I doubt it will have any patina.

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The facade, manufactured by Iljin, is composed of 2-millimeter thick marine-grade stainless steel panels with a bead blasted finish. The design originally called for copper or zinc to be installed where the “erosion” occurs, with the intent to convey a warmer tone compared to the overall outer skin. “Copper is one of those love and hate materials for architects… it’s so hard to get it looking the way you want it to on day one let alone day 100 or even 800,” said Harris. Designing with continuity as well as longevity in mind, the team ultimately landed on stainless steel due to the manufacturer’s unique control of the finishes. The “darker” panels within the carve are the same material with an additional titanium oxide coating.

https://www.archpaper.com/2021/06/facade...er-house-highlights-twisting-innovation/

officedweller · #**1952** Posted **Sep 29, 2023, 2:55 AM**

Interview With The Architect: Herzog & de Meuron On The New Vancouver Art Gallery
https://storeys.com/vancouver-art-gallery-herzog-demeuron/

jollyburger · #**1953** Posted **Sep 30, 2023, 3:32 AM**

Just included one interesting quote but just a short interview on the design aspects most of which has already been communicated.

Interview With The Architect: Herzog & de Meuron On The New Vancouver Art Gallery

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We therefore decided on a very straight-forward orthogonal and symmetrical layout. On the primary exhibition levels the visitor arrives in a central nave, almost an interior street, which cuts through the entire length of any given floor and doubles as a circulation and art space. Gallery suites are located on both sides of the nave, allowing for a single floor to have several separate exhibits or one big exhibit. Lots of curatorial flexibility is a given, yet the Gallery suites are still varied and distinct. Some spaces have wooden floors while others are more raw, with concrete floors and open ceilings allowing visible technical systems; there will be sky-lit galleries, double height galleries and galleries with discrete windows allowing visitors to look outside at the city and nature and re-orient oneself.

https://storeys.com/vancouver-art-gallery-herzog-demeuron/

jollyburger · #**1954** Posted **Dec 28, 2023, 11:17 PM**

Still seems like nothing is being done on the site. The temporary housing trailers are still there as well.

Still waiting on demo permits it seems

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Soil remediation (partial) Removal and disposal of asphalt and organic materials and soil required to expose existing structure and retaining wall for demolition (demolition permit applied for under separate permit application) and installation of a secant pile wall to isolate contaminated soil for future removal.

madog222 · #**1955** Posted **Dec 29, 2023, 12:27 AM**

I wonder what the underground structure is mentioned in the permits.

They have put up a sign about the new building (I didn't take a close look) at the Georgia & Cambie corner, not sure how new that is.

jollyburger · #**1956** Posted **Dec 29, 2023, 1:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

I wonder what the underground structure is mentioned in the permits.

They have put up a sign about the new building (I didn't take a ckise look) at the Georgia & Cambie corner, not sure how new that is.

On the Beatty side you can see a vent along that retaining wall so there must be something under there. I assume it was something related to the old bus depot.

EDIT: Maybe it was a maintenance depot

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3...1504faa034f3407b24d64ba9ab50e6125c5de8c5

Changing City · #**1957** Posted **Dec 29, 2023, 3:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

On the Beatty side you can see a vent along that retaining wall so there must be something under there. I assume it was something related to the old bus depot.

EDIT: Maybe it was a maintenance depot

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3...1504faa034f3407b24d64ba9ab50e6125c5de8c5

Here's the site under construction in 1947. It's not completely clear what the grades were, but you would anticipate inspection pits at the very least.

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