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Non. Sarrebruck. And it's a widely used name (also appearing on road signs).

What is the meaning of that sign? Beware of terrorist car bombings ahead? Caution: Tanker truck driving over water?
     
     
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What is the meaning of that sign? Beware of terrorist car bombings ahead? Caution: Tanker truck driving over water?
Sometimes pictographic signage, although well intentioned, can be pretty obtuse........
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What is the meaning of that sign? Beware of terrorist car bombings ahead? Caution: Tanker truck driving over water?
It means dangerous vehicles such as tanker trucks (the explosion sign represents tanker trucks in Europe) headed towards Sarrebruck and Strasbourg must use the motorway bypass of Metz via La Maxe and not drive through the center of Metz.
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It occurred to me only today that there is actually one country in the Francophone world that is a bit like India, renaming its cities and insisting the former colonialist should use them, and that's... Madagascar. Here, French media usually tend to use the new Malagasy names (which are just basically the same as the traditional French names, but in a purely Malagasy spelling), which usually leads to people pronouncing the names of these cities horribly badly. Personally I tend to prefer using the traditional French names, which are closer in pronunciation to how these cities are pronounced by people in Madagascar (that's only natural, since the French didn't come up with some invented names, except for two minor colonial cities, Fort Dauphin and Ile Sainte Marie, but basically just reproduced with French spelling the sounds that they heard the natives pronouncing). This is particularly a problem in Malagasy, whose spelling includes many syllables that are almost not pronounced, making for impossibly long words if you pronounced everything "as is written".

The French spelling is closer to the contracted pronunciation of Malagasy people. So for example the capital city is now "Antananarivo", whereas the French name (which I personally still use, but which French media tend not to use anymore) is "Tananarive", and "Tananarive" is much closer in pronunciation to how the natives really pronounce "Antananarivo". Tananarive is in fact often shortened as "Tana", which is how most expats and many natives call it.

The main port of Madagascar, "Tamatave" in French, is now "Toamasina" in Malagasy which the government of Madagascar wants us to use now. French media seem to hesitate between Tamatave and Toamasina.

Today I was reading an article in Le Figaro, containing this sentence (parentheses theirs): "Voilà une semaine que la gare de Soarana, à Antananarivo (Tananarive), est bloquée à 9h43 [...] la RN 7, route emblématique construite à l'époque coloniale, reliant Antananarivo à Toliara (Tuléar)."

Honestly, among those who know Madagascar, I've only ever heard "Tuléar", which sounds way better than "Toliara" anyway. I've never heard "Toliara", wouldn't know where it is or what it is if someone said that word to me, and if Malagasy people pronounced the name of that city, it would anyway sound much closer to "Tuléar" than to "Toliara".

Another example is "Majunga", which is officially "Mahajanga" in Malagasy (first time I see that "Mahajanga" spelling, I had to check it online). Majunga is more beautiful sounding, and well known in France (think of the Majunga Tower at La Défense for example).

As for the old colonial names, such as Fort-Dauphin, or Diego-Suarez, they are still used a lot by the tourism industry (Diego-Suarez is an idyllic beach destination), both because they are more well known than their Malagasy equivalents, and also because they convey a sense of history, culture and exoticism that their Malagasy official equivalents do not convey for Francophone audiences.

Checking Google Maps, I see that they use the traditional French names for the capital city, for Tuléar and for Majunga, but not for other cities (Toamasina instead of Tamatave here), which is inconsistent. How is it with Google maps in Anglophone Canada?

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Quebec is a nation unlike Canada. Quebec will be independent one day.
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It's up to voters to determine those things.
     
     
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Quebec is a nation unlike Canada. Quebec will be independent one day.
Anglo Canada is a fake entity, USA lite, shouldn't exist.

Yet >50% of Quebecois have ever wanted to be an independent nation; while ~99% of Canadians would probably like to continue to exist.
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Quote of the month.

France was a big colonial empire, a fact often overlooked in the Anglophone world. Of course it means we're well acquainted with various countries all around the world.
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Yet >50% of Quebecois have ever wanted to be an independent nation; while ~99% of Canadians would probably like to continue to exist.
Circa 35% of Québecois currently want independence, which suggests only 93% of Canadians would like Canada to continue to exist. And if a referendum took place, result would probably be again close to 50% due to the polarization effect of the referendum campaign, so that's only 90% of Canadians wishing to see Canada continuing to exist (not counting nihilists or anti-patriots in Anglo-Canada)
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It means dangerous vehicles such as tanker trucks (the explosion sign represents tanker trucks in Europe) headed towards Sarrebruck and Strasbourg must use the motorway bypass of Metz via La Maxe and not drive through the center of Metz.
Thanks for the explanation. I would have never guessed that the exploding vehicle indicates a tanker truck.
     
     
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Thanks for the explanation. I would have never guessed that the exploding vehicle indicates a tanker truck.
An unfair characterization, and, an example of prejudice and presupposition of the highest order if you ask me.
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Circa 35% of Québecois currently want independence, which suggests only 93% of Canadians would like Canada to continue to exist. And if a referendum took place, result would probably be again close to 50% due to the polarization effect of the referendum campaign, so that's only 90% of Canadians wishing to see Canada continuing to exist (not counting nihilists or anti-patriots in Anglo-Canada)
Yes and even 35% is a majority of Francophones. Another big chunk emotionally wants to be/already thinks they are a separate nation but just realizes how much poorer they would be post separation. Especially with the transformation in the Quebec economy over the past 40+ years into one that supports everyone.
     
     
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Thanks for the explanation. I would have never guessed that the exploding vehicle indicates a tanker truck.
Not just tanker trucks, but any vehicle that has a potential risk of explosion.

It's fairly standard across Europe.

For example here in the UK:

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Not just tanker trucks, but any vehicle that has a potential risk of explosion.

It's fairly standard across Europe.

For example here in the UK:

At least the British have a text box to explain the otherwise unintelligible pictograph...
     
     
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The pictograph being unintelligible isn’t a problem if you think about it, because anyone with the qualifications to legally drive a truck with an explosive load in a given jurisdiction will be familiar with the standard pictograph that jurisdiction uses to indicate an alternate route. It could be the Hello Kitty head and it would do its job.
     
     
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In addition to all the talk about the CBC/Radio-Canada cuts to be announced today is how they will in relative proportions affect the French networks more. Which is surprising as they are the most watched and profitable ones.
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In addition to all the talk about the CBC/Radio-Canada cuts to be announced today is how they will in relative proportions affect the French networks more. Which is surprising as they are the most watched and profitable ones.
One wonders how much could be saved by consolidating them into a single service? Not going to happen, of course.
     
     
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Quebec is in the news a lot in the ROC these days, and not for the usual language reasons. Some big stories coming out of La Belle Province that showed up on the main landing page of various, mainstream English media outlets I frequent:

- McGill going on a hiring freeze, blaming the government's decision to hike out of province tuition. Okay, so this one is language related.

- The suspicious death of Daniel Langlois (the Henry Ford of CGI?). His death may have made the news here because film production is a big industry across Canada.

- The Quebec teachers strike, which seems like the longest and most severe one we've had since the Mike Harris teachers strikes in Ontario of the 90s. What is the mood in Quebec around this? If I remember back to the Ontario strikes, sympathy began to run out after the teachers were still on the picket lines after three weeks and it probably helped Mike Harris get reelected.

- QS tells men they can't run as candidates in byelections and loses Olivier Bolduc. This is not front page news over here, but probably got amplified by culture warriors.
     
     
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In addition to all the talk about the CBC/Radio-Canada cuts to be announced today is how they will in relative proportions affect the French networks more. Which is surprising as they are the most watched and profitable ones.
I wonder if SRC will use this as an opportunity to purge the organization of the remaining federalists in the publicly funded national French language broadcaster???
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