[Burnaby] The Amazing Brentwood | 15 Towers | 186m | 56 flrs | U/C & Proposed

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The article says it's still over 400K sq feet?

Yes, but that's two floors totalling 204,000 sf each. The leasable space of the retail stores looks to be around 85,000 sf on each floor.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

well that's disappointing. i was hoping this would become a great destination mall. seems like that wont be the case. was this mall unsuccessful or something? i never knew much about its history.

probably unpopular, but id rather shop in a climate controlled mall vs out in the elements on streets.

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

well that's disappointing. i was hoping this would become a great destination mall. seems like that wont be the case. was this mall unsuccessful or something? i never knew much about its history.

probably unpopular, but id rather shop in a climate controlled mall vs out in the elements on streets.

After all the hype, it's quite sad how this is turning out.

I wonder how long Sporting Life will stay there.. they must be gettina sweet deal on rent.

Ron.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

probably unpopular, but id rather shop in a climate controlled mall vs out in the elements on streets.

I've often thought that but some people seem to think it's permanently sunny (it is in the renders) so outdoor streetfront retail is the best. That's obviously not the case for at least half of the year here.

So breaking up so many malls to change them into towers over retail podiums is something I'm not totally sold on. Doing that on the acres of parking lots surrounding malls - sure. Redeveloping streetfront / outdoor mails - again totally fine with it.

I didn't spend much time in Brentwood mall so I don't know how well it was (or wasn't) doing.

[djmk]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The article says it's still over 400K sq feet?



The Basil Box fronting Willingdon is up for lease.. horrible location.

https://www.lee-associates.com/properties/?propertyId=1267856-lease

the funny pancake place across from Sephora is gone as well

[jollyburger]

It's never going to compete with Pacific Centre/Metrotown so it needs to find a niche market that isn't just exclusively about retail. A huge portion of the mall will still be enclosed just like Park Royal so they have the best of both worlds.

What's going to be a bigger failure in 20 years Amazing Brentwood or Tsawwassen Mills?

[djmk]

isn't Tsawwassen Mills already a failure?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by djmk

isn't Tsawwassen Mills already a failure?

The Chinese company who bought it seems like they want to invest more money into making it into a non-retail focused destination mall..

https://www.delta-optimist.com/local-bus...-for-section-of-tsawwassen-mills-7077103

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

well that's disappointing. i was hoping this would become a great destination mall. seems like that wont be the case. was this mall unsuccessful or something? i never knew much about its history.

probably unpopular, but id rather shop in a climate controlled mall vs out in the elements on streets.

Short of a snowstorm I would rather be outside shopping along streets than in an enclosed mall.

[theKB]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

It's never going to compete with Pacific Centre/Metrotown so it needs to find a niche market that isn't just exclusively about retail. A huge portion of the mall will still be enclosed just like Park Royal so they have the best of both worlds.

What's going to be a bigger failure in 20 years Amazing Brentwood or Tsawwassen Mills?

I strongly believe the amazing brentwood is a larger failure simply because they didn't bite the bullet and get more of it done all at once. So much empty space and the depressing old mall. Oakridge started with a similar strategy with phased closures then decided to demolish it all to accelerate construction.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I've often thought that but some people seem to think it's permanently sunny (it is in the renders) so outdoor streetfront retail is the best. That's obviously not the case for at least half of the year here.

So breaking up so many malls to change them into towers over retail podiums is something I'm not totally sold on. Doing that on the acres of parking lots surrounding malls - sure. Redeveloping streetfront / outdoor mails - again totally fine with it.

i would say 8 months of the year is rain/wind/damp/cold. then for 2 months its so hot in the summer its unpleasant to be out. i guess we are in the minority. im certainly not sold on it either.

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Short of a snowstorm I would rather be outside shopping along streets than in an enclosed mall.

really? even during a rain/wind storm? carrying things in that? or having to dodge the vagrants and beggars? or in the summer when its 35degC out and there's almost no shade walking in a concrete jungle?

malls are private, so can keep the vagrants out. HVAC keeps it comfortable all year round. the structure keeps the rain/wind/snow off you. theres places to sit and talk to people. im not sitting on a bench on the street in the middle of a rain storm. you dont need to worry about all the vagrants using the bench as a bathroom either. i dont need to step over the overdosing vagrants sprawled across the sidewalk.

ban surface parking, force it underground. build the mall with tons of large skylights/natural light. turn the roof into a green roof with the residential towers above.

our city lacks places to go, without having to pay, for like 8 months of the year. malls allow for that. can go window shopping in bad weather. can just sit and chill. i always liked the water features in Oakridge. and with these hot summers we are getting now, those are brutal. and people claim climate change will make that worse. so i guess we can just force everyone into heat stroke when its 35+degC. theres a reason why people in AZ, TX, etc. drive everywhere and its called A/C. who wants to walk in UV index 9, 15min sunburn, sweaty hell. i dont.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The article says it's still over 400K sq feet?



The Basil Box fronting Willingdon is up for lease.. horrible location.

https://www.lee-associates.com/properties/?propertyId=1267856-lease

We went there once, it was nothing special and yeah the location was not good, it was very easy to miss.

The Suit Supply store is still not completed and is behind hoarding, I have to wonder if it is ever going to open, they still have signage indicating it will be Suit Supply, previously announced tenants that never opened had their coming soon signage removed in the past so there is hope. The Sephora there is always busy, LL Bean not so much.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by theKB

I strongly believe the amazing brentwood is a larger failure simply because they didn't bite the bullet and get more of it done all at once. So much empty space and the depressing old mall. Oakridge started with a similar strategy with phased closures then decided to demolish it all to accelerate construction.

but if the plan is to do so much renovation of the old mall perhaps the leasing dept doesn't want to bring in any tenants, the outside spaces however do have a lot of signage that they are available. There is a new furniture design store called Hygee. It looks nice enough in a prime spot, but they haven't really kitted it out, more like they just placed their furniture and decor items in the shell of the space so it doesn't feel or look permanent.

I always forget Sporting Life is in there, it has really changed a lot since it opened, gone are a lot of the high-end brands, Canada Goose had a nice section but they are no longer sold there, they had a high-end sneaker section next to the regular sneaker section but the higher brands are no longer there, just spill over from the regular section now. Really an unfortunate space for them to be.

[SonyPS5]

Seems WeWork is trying to pull put of Tower 3

https://www.google.com/amp/s/vancouversu...261948d-ce30-4064-aec9-0053d47240db/amp/

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

really? even during a rain/wind storm? carrying things in that? or having to dodge the vagrants and beggars? or in the summer when its 35degC out and there's almost no shade walking in a concrete jungle?
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Absolutely! All of that sounds horrible and yet is still miles better than an enclosed mall. Also, I rarely have to “dodge a vagrant” and Vancouver has trees everywhere to provide shade.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i would say 8 months of the year is rain/wind/damp/cold. then for 2 months its so hot in the summer its unpleasant to be out. i guess we are in the minority. im certainly not sold on it either.


really? even during a rain/wind storm? carrying things in that? or having to dodge the vagrants and beggars? or in the summer when its 35degC out and there's almost no shade walking in a concrete jungle?

malls are private, so can keep the vagrants out. HVAC keeps it comfortable all year round. the structure keeps the rain/wind/snow off you. theres places to sit and talk to people. im not sitting on a bench on the street in the middle of a rain storm. you dont need to worry about all the vagrants using the bench as a bathroom either. i dont need to step over the overdosing vagrants sprawled across the sidewalk.

ban surface parking, force it underground. build the mall with tons of large skylights/natural light. turn the roof into a green roof with the residential towers above.

our city lacks places to go, without having to pay, for like 8 months of the year. malls allow for that. can go window shopping in bad weather. can just sit and chill. i always liked the water features in Oakridge. and with these hot summers we are getting now, those are brutal. and people claim climate change will make that worse. so i guess we can just force everyone into heat stroke when its 35+degC. theres a reason why people in AZ, TX, etc. drive everywhere and its called A/C. who wants to walk in UV index 9, 15min sunburn, sweaty hell. i dont.

I'm with osirisboy in that vagrants aren't that much of a problem. Not having a car I'm more at the mercy of the weather so I prefer indoor malls as well. At least some surface parking is inevitable but having the majority of parking underground is a better use of space.

At least TAB has some entertainment spaces in it. I find it odd that other malls around here don't have more of that - how many women's clothing stores do we need? At some point malls are going to have to replace more of their stores with entertainment, food / restaurant and services. They need to be destinations if they want to survive.

There aren't that many trees around our shopping areas and when it's really hot in summer they don't provide that much cooling. Somewhere indoors with even basic A/C can be a lifesaver during a heatwave.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Absolutely! All of that sounds horrible and yet is still miles better than an enclosed mall. Also, I rarely have to “dodge a vagrant” and Vancouver has trees everywhere to provide shade.

vagrants were 100% an issue around Vancouver downtown/Broadway pre-pandemic. yelled at, etc when i said i dont carry cash to one of them. not to mention seeing them shooting up on the streets. wasn't a fan when i had to be down there. malls avoid that since they're private property. as for trees, rare in the big shopping districts. the Granville St Mall is a good example. tiny little baby saplings, and its all concrete. i cant stand being there in the summer. its hot, there's vagrants, and it smells like a toilet. Pacific Centre is the opposite of that. at least the rain washes away the toilet smell. though then you smell is wet pot smoking vagrant. worse than wet dog.

either way, indoor malls are lovely, and im a fan. i do like the YVR outlet mall though. thats nicely done. and being private property it avoids the vagrancy issue. theres also no traffic you are walking next to.

Originally Posted by Sheba

At least TAB has some entertainment spaces in it. I find it odd that other malls around here don't have more of that - how many women's clothing stores do we need? At some point malls are going to have to replace more of their stores with entertainment, food / restaurant and services. They need to be destinations if they want to survive.

yeah malls should be a destination; i agree and the ones that are, will be successful. im not a fan of this new age trend of forcing everyone onto the streets. just a worse experience overall.

this is why Brentwood makes me sad. hopefully what we do get, ends up decent.

[VarBreStr18]

Hi all, Why is AMB a failure already? What are the indications of this mega project failing?

[VarBreStr18]

Originally Posted by djmk

the funny pancake place across from Sephora is gone as well

No the location is great , just the type of business is poor choice. A Asian fusion type restaurant such as Copa, Gloucester , I cafe will do really well. Even a congee and noodle house will draw lots of Asian customers.

[WarrenC12]

Tsawwassen Mills will be a bigger failure IMO, if it isn't already. It's a traditional US 80s-90s megamall, built 25+ years too late.

Brentwood isn't very cohesive but it should get better over the years as they figure things out.