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Old Posted Oct 21, 2023, 11:35 PM
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that's how you feel. Youre entitled to that, I think it Would hurt a lot of people if the team moved. What i'm saying is if 10 couple's shared season tickets it would be 1800 a year for 2 seats. Thats alot more manageable
All the power to them if they wanna do that however when we have the richest man in Canada owning the team and the club controlling the arena and its revenues and the first way they start a season ticket campaign is to threaten to move the team again then they are incredibly tone deaf and deserve to have a few years where they lose money. They should be offering food and bev promos more discounted tickets when sun belt teams come that aren't rivals. They should be bugging bettman day and night to host a nhl draft as we are long overdue to help bring in more revenue. Tons of things they can be doing but are just a old boys network still. They need a Wade miller in there who busts his ass 24-7 reaching out to all fans and businesses.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2023, 7:44 AM
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that's how you feel. Youre entitled to that, I think it Would hurt a lot of people if the team moved. What i'm saying is if 10 couple's shared season tickets it would be 1800 a year for 2 seats. Thats alot more manageable
I'm gonna be the one to break it to you. It won't be up to Joe or Jane Blow fan organizing some unwieldly ticket sharing arrangement (where do you come up with these ideas!), it will be up to businesses either buying season ticket packages or current stakeholder businesses adding more seats to their current allotment. If a decent-sized business has 10 seats, maybe add 5 more. If a large business already has a suite, then add a few dozen seats on top of that. A member of the HFBoards stated that one big corporation had a suite and a decent number of season seats in another Canadian City while in Winnipeg they had only a suite....these are the types that need to up their commitment.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2023, 1:26 PM
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2023, 1:35 AM
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Winnipeg.....we need to talk.

11K fans for a game is unacceptable, No matter how "meh" this team is. I understand chipman's unwavering loyalty to players and staff is an issue. I understand tickets are too expensive. But go back to 1996. "save our jets" should ring in your ears like the "true north chant" did in 2011. This stand off with the fans isnt cute. Oilers fans stuck with the team through the worst 2 decades hockey had ever seen. rexall stayed full. Youre not even close to that now. You have a playoff calibre team.
It would really help if a fan from another province cheering for another team, did not try to tell us what to do. First off, the "Save the Jets" movement was in 1995, not 1996. Second of all, the lean years for the Oilers were from 2006-15, coincidentally when the province was experiencing a record oil boom, combined with low housing prices, and some of the highest average wages in the nation. It also helped that tickets were less than 1/2 of what they are today. During the Oilers lean years, it should be noted that every Canadian team was selling out all their home games, no matter how they performed on-ice.

It should be noted that I was living in the Edmonton area from 2011-15, and I had no problem getting two secondary tickets on the market for $50 or under.

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You wont get a 3rd kick at the can. You're not Atlanta. Go find a group of 5-10 Couples and buy season tickets, if 1000 groups did that all would be righted. Make a date night with your partner out of it. Ask your boss why they aren't advertising with the Jets. Don't sit back and watch this team move for the last time. Don't try and put out the fire after its blazing. The Jets are the lifeblood of the city without them winnipeg is just a bigger Regina.
Typical outside who knows nothing about the economic realities of the city. Your "solutions" to the Jets attendance woes, are naive at the very least. Nobody is going to support the Jets out of necessity, when it means falling behind on mortgage payments, or basic household necessities.

Furthermore, you drastically overestimate how important the Jets are to the community. I lived through the departure of the Jets 1.0 as a teenager. It was very depressing when the Jets moved, but life went on. By the time the Pan AM Games were held, the Jets were ancient history. People either became fans of other teams, or went to Moose games.

It was not as a big deal as you make it out to be. The economy and population of Manitoba actually improved from the dark days of the 90s. We built an arena in 2004, and skyscrapers were constructed during the non-Jets days. To imply Winnipeg is doomed without the Jets, and would be nothing without them, is silly. It should also be noticed that professional sports teams contribute less than 1% to the economy of a city (directly or indirectly).
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2023, 2:34 PM
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I believe there is a direct link at this point in time re: attendance between Bombers success and Jets woes.

If you sketched up a graph, Bombers are at near all time highs in attendance. 4 straight sellouts, with another one to come in the west final. Jets 2.0 are at all time lows.

Said it before, hoping we're seeing the bottom with the Jets. Personally I feel a little better about the Jets since the trades and singings. I know there are some who have abandoned the Jets since the COVID restrictions. 5%-10% of the fanbase is in that category is a lot of at risk ticket sales.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2023, 2:52 PM
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All the power to them if they wanna do that however when we have the richest man in Canada owning the team and the club controlling the arena and its revenues and the first way they start a season ticket campaign is to threaten to move the team again then they are incredibly tone deaf and deserve to have a few years where they lose money. They should be offering food and bev promos more discounted tickets when sun belt teams come that aren't rivals. They should be bugging bettman day and night to host a nhl draft as we are long overdue to help bring in more revenue. Tons of things they can be doing but are just a old boys network still. They need a Wade miller in there who busts his ass 24-7 reaching out to all fans and businesses.
Winnipeg does not have the hotel capacity in its downtown to host the NHL draft. It only has two downtown hotels which are suitable for visiting NHL teams - Fairmont and Delta.

Vancouver hosted the NHL draft in 2019 and here's what their successful bid included. The bid had to block 5000-6000 hotel rooms per night over a four day period to accommodate: 1400 staff members from the 31 teams; 150 NHL staff members; 2300 family members and agents for the draft eligible players; media. In the end, nine downtown Vancouver hotels hosted 3 or 4 teams each; each hosted team was guaranteed access to meeting space in their hotel; there was conference space to host a 500 person coaches conference; media events; league meetings.

How is Winnipeg able to host the NHL Draft?

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Old Posted Oct 23, 2023, 3:00 PM
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I believe there is a direct link at this point in time re: attendance between Bombers success and Jets woes.

If you sketched up a graph, Bombers are at near all time highs in attendance. 4 straight sellouts, with another one to come in the west final. Jets 2.0 are at all time lows.
I wouldn't doubt if this had something to do with it. I'm sure the Jets and Bombers share many fans, and if they have to choose between one or the other, they're going to choose the one with the most promise of entertainment.

It seems like were watching a media "blood in the water" frenzy over the Jets early season attendance woes. The issue gets repeated and repeated until it becomes a Biblical-scale disaster in some people's minds. Of course it doesn't help when some parties want to turn it into an opportunity for city-shaming, but that always seems to have been part of the allure of professional sports.

For that Edmonton fan who was so quick to dismiss a Winnipeg without the Jets as just a larger Regina, I'd be careful of slinging mud, it tends to splash back. I know a number of people in the States who, if you ask them to describe what they know about Edmonton, will only be able to mention either the Oilers (if they're hockey fans) or the big mall. Is Edmonton more than the Oilers and a kitchy shopping mall? To a resident, yes, to an outsider, it's just another frozen wasteland in northern Canada. It's all perspective.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2023, 3:10 PM
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Go find a group of 5-10 Couples and buy season tickets, if 1000 groups did that all would be righted. Make a date night with your partner out of it.
I've been in one of those groups but got into into it when the smallest ticket package you could buy was a half-season. Now you can easily get 2,4,8, and 10 game packs directly from the team. Instead of getting a half season or full season from the team if someone wanted to follow your advice I would suggest the couples that are interested in Jets tickets organize a group buy and get the same pack for the same game and make arrangements to have a block of seats together. Then we you are going out for "date night" it isn't just you but a bigger group. Being a planned activity for a larger group puts a fair bit more pressure on you to actually attend.

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I believe there is a direct link at this point in time re: attendance between Bombers success and Jets woes.

If you sketched up a graph, Bombers are at near all time highs in attendance. 4 straight sellouts, with another one to come in the west final. Jets 2.0 are at all time lows.
In terms of ticket prices the Bombers and Jets are not even on the same level. You can get a full season of Bomber tickets, including Banjo Bowl and the playoff game for as little as $264.

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Bombers just 500 seats shy of sellout for regular season finale.
Saturday's Bomber season finale was very much a paper sellout. It has the least fans in attendance all season.

Something people that aren't Bomber season ticket holders may not know is if you cannot attend a game earlier in the season there is a process to return those tickets and in trade you normally get tickets for the last home game. So if I have two tickets normally and cannot attend one game I then have four tickets for the finale. While there are only two of us so we cannot us the extra tickets. The thinking is you sell them or give them to friends etc. Reality is a lot of those tickets go unused.

Additionally there are long time season ticket holders that never go to the late season games. The weather is a huge factor and it can definitely make it a lot less enjoyable experience for an average fan, never mind if you are more likely to feel the affects of long exposure to cold weather as some people do.

I had a picture from the season finale in 2013 show up in a memory this past week. I had actually taken it to show how empty the stands were. For those that do not remember, that was the season the Bombers won around 3 games the entire season and many times the game was long over before halftime. I actually saw the picture before attending the Jets game on Thursday and then the Bomber game on Saturday. The Jets very much reminded me of the feeling from that 2013 picture. And the Bomber game while a bit better attended than 2013 it was not a lot better attended despite what the ticket sales numbers tell you.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2023, 3:49 PM
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If I'm deciding whether to spend my money going to a Bomber or Jets game, Bombers take the cake right now. There are undoubtedly many people in this boat.

You can get tickets for same price as a Jets game, except it's a premium Bomber ticket vs nosebleed Jets ticket. Concessions are a wash. Bombers are cream of the crop, projected for another Grey Cup final. Games are fun to go to.

This is not the Jets only issue, but IMO why we are seeing 11k+ fans vs 13k+ at Jets game right now.
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Winnipeg does not have the hotel capacity in its downtown to host the NHL draft. It only has two downtown hotels which are suitable for visiting NHL teams - Fairmont and Delta.

Vancouver hosted the NHL draft in 2019 and here's what their successful bid included. The bid had to block 5000-6000 hotel rooms per night over a four day period to accommodate: 1400 staff members from the 31 teams; 150 NHL staff members; 2300 family members and agents for the draft eligible players; media. In the end, nine downtown Vancouver hotels hosted 3 or 4 teams each; each hosted team was guaranteed access to meeting space in their hotel; there was conference space to host a 500 person coaches conference; media events; league meetings.

How is Winnipeg able to host the NHL Draft?
The NHL owners and NHL are in the midst of a major review of the NHL draft. Less focus on the teams and more focus on the players. Rather than each team sending massive delegates, each team would be sending a few delegates (I heard 2 or 3) which means that any NHL city could potentially host the draft.
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The NHL owners and NHL are in the midst of a major review of the NHL draft. Less focus on the teams and more focus on the players. Rather than each team sending massive delegates, each team would be sending a few delegates (I heard 2 or 3) which means that any NHL city could potentially host the draft.
Another step of the Americanization of the NHL. This proposal would be horrible. The NHL Draft is very unique and should remain as is.
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Our hotels are abysmal compared to bigger cities. The only hotel I tell people to stay at is the Inn at the Forks.
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Our hotels are abysmal compared to bigger cities. The only hotel I tell people to stay at is the Inn at the Forks.
Some are for sure. But The Delta, Fairmont, Fort Garry, Inn at the Forks and Mere are all nice enough. I travel a lot for work and I stayed at one of the hotels being used for the draft in Nashville and then in Vancouver and neither of them were any nicer than what we have in our downtown.
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I believe there is a direct link at this point in time re: attendance between Bombers success and Jets woes.
There is no link whatsoever.

The Jets only missed the playoffs once since 2017. It's not like they are bottom dwellers.
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For that Edmonton fan who was so quick to dismiss a Winnipeg without the Jets as just a larger Regina, I'd be careful of slinging mud, it tends to splash back. I know a number of people in the States who, if you ask them to describe what they know about Edmonton, will only be able to mention either the Oilers (if they're hockey fans) or the big mall. Is Edmonton more than the Oilers and a kitchy shopping mall? To a resident, yes, to an outsider, it's just another frozen wasteland in northern Canada. It's all perspective.
This is so true. I moved to Edmonton from Calgary for a better job, and not a day goes by that I do not hate myself for doing so, especially since housing prices have dramatically increased in Calgary. Edmonton is one of the most depressing cities in the World. You know a city sucks, when their claim to fame, is having a large outdated mall as it's best attraction.

Even people from Edmonton openly admit that Calgary is by far the best city in Alberta. The Stampede is better than Klondake Days. The LRT is better. The roads are better. The climates is better due to the Chinooks. Calgary is closer to the mountains, and it's a much cleaner city with less crime. Sometimes I wish I could go back to 2019, and ahve someone beat me to a bloody pulp, if it meant keeping me from moving to this God-forsaken wasteland.
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This is so true. I moved to Edmonton from Calgary for a better job, and not a day goes by that I do not hate myself for doing so, especially since housing prices have dramatically increased in Calgary. Edmonton is one of the most depressing cities in the World. You know a city sucks, when their claim to fame, is having a large outdated mall as it's best attraction.

Even people from Edmonton openly admit that Calgary is by far the best city in Alberta. The Stampede is better than Klondake Days. The LRT is better. The roads are better. The climates is better due to the Chinooks. Calgary is closer to the mountains, and it's a much cleaner city with less crime. Sometimes I wish I could go back to 2019, and ahve someone beat me to a bloody pulp, if it meant keeping me from moving to this God-forsaken wasteland.
Edmonton's river valley is much nice than Calgary's; UofA is better than UofC; and there's no comparison between sports facilities - c'mon, McMahon Stadium and the Saddledome.

What's Winnipeg's claim to fame? A dead and dirty downtown; pothole riddled roads; "what's a LRT?". If Edmonton is depressing; what would you describe Winnipeg as being?
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Saturday's Bomber season finale was very much a paper sellout. It has the least fans in attendance all season.
This is not even remotely close to being true.

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Additionally there are long time season ticket holders that never go to the late season games. The weather is a huge factor and it can definitely make it a lot less enjoyable experience for an average fan, never mind if you are more likely to feel the affects of long exposure to cold weather as some people do.
I had season tickets for over a decade, and attendance actually increases in the fall. During the summer months, too many people are away at the beach, and attendance suffers. In the fall, all games are on the weekend, and everyone has locked up their cabins by October, which is great for attendance. Weather has never had an adverse effect for football in Canada, especially in Winnipeg.
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Edmonton's river valley is much nice than Calgary's; UofA is better than UofC; and there's no comparison between sports facilities - c'mon, McMahon Stadium and the Saddledome.
lol....grasping at straws.

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What's Winnipeg's claim to fame? A dead and dirty downtown; pothole riddled roads; "what's a LRT?". If Edmonton is depressing; what would you describe Winnipeg as being?
Well if you really want to make a comparison between Edmonton and Winnipeg, you may not like the response. The Forks is better than anything in the river valley. The Exchange District is far better than anything Edmonton has in the city centre. Whyte Avenue is overrated. Edmonton is dirtier. Good luck getting anywhere in Edmonton without a car.

Winnipeg is not perfect, but it is much better than Deadmonton. However, I admit that Calgary trumps both cities.
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Even people from Edmonton openly admit that Calgary is by far the best city in Alberta.
Wow, if this is true things have changed. The Edmonton vs Calgary thing used to be pretty intense. I know the 'K Days' have disappointed people there recently, the Elks have obviously struggled mightily and the Oilers fans seem to be having kittens so far over their team's early-season performance, but I never thought i'd hear that Edmonton admits Calgary is better. I'd better not tell my Edmonton-born wife!
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