Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

And you, could you ever see yourself voting for the PQ? I think you said some years ago you were a federal employee and a typical federalist. So I'm just curious.

I've never actually said I was a federal employee, nor have I ever said that I wouldn't or even have never voted for the PQ.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

err, I am from Quebec, but thanks anyway for telling me my business.

Chauvinistic reaction. As if I was berating you for daring to criticize me about Europe in a Europe thread.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

nor have I ever said that I wouldn't or even have never voted for the PQ.

Those double negations make one dizzy.

So for clarity, did you vote OUI in 1995?

[harls]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Those double negations make one dizzy.

So for clarity, did you vote OUI in 1995?

T'es vraiment fucké, toé..

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Those double negations make one dizzy.

So for clarity, did you vote OUI in 1995?

I was not eligible to vote in 1995. Not a legal resident of Quebec. Still officially a ROCer at that time.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Chauvinistic reaction. As if I was berating you for daring to criticize me about Europe in a Europe thread.

What is your problem, exactly? Why do you come into Canadian threads to lecture us about how things are, and to agitate for Quebec independence?

And why is it your business whether someone voted "Oui" or PQ?

You remind me of Malek. A most unpleasant former forumer.

Nearly every post you make on SSP is in this thread. Curious.

[urbandreamer]

Quebec is already an independent country. Rubber stamp it and be done with it. It won't change much other than make real estate more affordable.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I was not eligible to vote in 1995. Not a legal resident of Quebec. Still officially a ROCer at that time.

I also don’t have to answer how I voted (I don’t even know, as I never had to consider it). Unborn in 1980, kid in 1995. Both my parents voted yes both times, however.

Next provincial election, rather than just not voting which has been my new principle for a while (thank George Carlin ), it’s looking like I might actually go cast a vote for the first time in a long time, for the PQ, if they continue to be a credible alternative to the CAQ.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

Quebec is already an independent country. Rubber stamp it and be done with it. It won't change much other than make real estate more affordable.

No it isn't. You don't get to dismiss nearly 9 million Canadians with a worthless remark like this. Twice Quebeckers voted to stay in Canada, and support for independence is well below 50%.

God, I hate when people make stupid remarks like this. Reminds me of the ignorant "equalization payments" crap from certain Albertans.

Quebec is a great province, with wonderful cities and a unique culture. Losing Quebec would be cataclysmic for the Rest of Canada, in so many ways that I could spend the rest of my life listing them.

[lio45]

“Affordable real estate” would be a disaster; I’m clearly voting “No” in a third referendum

[urbandreamer]

Quebec is a foreign country. While my own great grandparents were born in Quebec, and I lived in Montreal twenty years ago, Quebec feels more isolated from English Canada than ever before.

Thirty years ago I lived in rural Ontario, far from the influence of Toronto etc. Today, it's a very different place thanks to mass immigration and especially recent TFW/TFS policies. Similar towns in Quebec feel more like rural Ontario a generation ago.

Quebec: separate or not, is not like ROC.

Quebecois are not Canadians.

[lio45]

Foreign “place”, sure, but technically, not a foreign country.

Same for us: Vancouver for example is a foreign place, yet, when living there a couple years ago, I didn’t have to jump through immigration hoops in order to be in that foreign location.

[urbandreamer]

Northern Ontario feels more like Quebec than ROC, with parts of Winnipeg a close second.

Alberta feels more like BC minus downtown Vancouver/South Vancouver Island. I haven't been to Newfoundland yet so maybe it would feel foreign too.

Of course, I'm not literally saying Quebec is legally its own country, but it acts more like a Nation than English Canada does.

Another place that doesn't feel like Canada: Brampton. They have a distinctly separate culture, language and social rules.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

Quebec is a foreign country. While my own great grandparents were born in Quebec, and I lived in Montreal twenty years ago, Quebec feels more isolated from English Canada than ever before.

Thirty years ago I lived in rural Ontario, far from the influence of Toronto etc. Today, it's a very different place thanks to mass immigration and especially recent TFW/TFS policies. Similar towns in Quebec feel more like rural Ontario a generation ago.

Quebec: separate or not, is not like ROC.

Quebecois are not Canadians.

20 years ago I would have very much disagreed with you. In the 90s I found Montreal had a lot more in common with GTA than either had with Alberta or the Maritimes. Language aside sure but many other aspects of life were more similar. Including as you point out immigration and urban and suburban life. These trends have now spread and Quebec has diverged on some of those issues. Doubled down on a more European approach to city planning and immigration has been very much limited to a few groups in much smaller numbers. At the end of the day it doesn't matter you aren't a country unless you actually are.

[harls]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

Quebec feels more isolated from English Canada than ever before.

I don't think that has anything to do with Quebec and more with yourself.

Why don't you come for a visit?

[urbandreamer]

^I spent two weeks camping in Quebec this year: one in Eastern Townships the other near Quebec City. Foreign! But I loved it.

[harls]

I'm a transplanted Anglo that has lived in Quebec for more than 20 years. I don't feel isolated.

[thurmas]

Does the CAQ have any major policy achievements? I cannot really recall any which may explain the growth in PQ support.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Does the CAQ have any major policy achievements? I cannot really recall any which may explain the growth in PQ support.

The idea behind the CAQ was always that unlike the hated Liberals, whom we resoundingly voted out when opening the door wide to the CAQ, they would be a large tent party, unideological, and most of all, good managers, i.e. no "major" apple-cart-upsetting achievements, except the thing is, lately, they've started to turn into shitty managers, and the electorate is clearly showing them it doesn't like it.

They had one job, and they've been at it for five years and counting, and everything's become shittier under their watch, so...

(Not saying another party would've done a better job in the context, but when you get elected for a reason, and you don't deliver, it's no surprise that the people will then want to vote you out!)

[lio45]

Originally Posted by harls

I'm a transplanted Anglo that has lived in Quebec for more than 20 years. I don't feel isolated.

And maybe I don't feel isolated when I'm in Tokyo, but it's still a foreign place