Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity - Page 251

Acajack · #**5001** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 12:50 AM**

Parti Québécois cruising to an easy by-election win in Jean-Talon, a Québec City riding I don't think they have ever won. It was a CAQ seat until now but for decades was a Liberal stronghold.

There was a higher than usual amount of interest for a by-election and turnout is going to be well over 50%.

This result is seen as symptomatic of the PQ's resurgence under PSPP, which materialized towards the end of the last general election but too late in the game to gain them more seats.

kwoldtimer · #**5002** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 1:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by acajack

parti québécois cruising to an easy by-election win in jean-talon, a québec city riding i don't think they have ever won. It was a caq seat until now but for decades was a liberal stronghold.

There was a higher than usual amount of interest for a by-election and turnout is going to be well over 50%.

This result is seen as symptomatic of the pq's resurgence under pspp, which materialized towards the end of the last general election but too late in the game to gain them more seats.

pspp?

Acajack · #**5003** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 1:03 AM**

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon

(Might wanna get used to those initials.)

YOWetal · #**5004** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 1:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

So, there was an article in the Financial Times yesterday entitled "Why isn’t Canada an economic giant?", in which we find the following sentence:

Fascinating how for that journalist (Tej Parikh), Quebec is already not part of Canada anymore...

Also, the article never mentions Quebec or Francophone Québécois culture in the article. Reading the article, you'd think Canada is an entirely Anglo country. The journalist also says that crazy immigration intakes is good news for Canada, with zero regard for the consequences in terms of Anglo-Franco balance, and the sort of debate it triggers in a province that still represents more than 1/5th of Canada.

Fascinating really.

The article (behind a paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/67e97cc4-6ab0-4e78-b4a8-7c97b8e52ada

Montreal hasn't made those lists as far as I remember. Not sure why but yes the lack of Anglo expats given they aren't welcome probably counts. Calgary and Vancouver both punch well above their weight in that category though those surveys have lots of flaws with Vancouver scoring well for affordability and healthcare based on a flawed view of the weekend getaway from LA.

Acajack · #**5005** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 1:44 AM**

56% turnout for a by-election. Pretty good.

Loco101 · #**5006** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 2:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Parti Québécois cruising to an easy by-election win in Jean-Talon, a Québec City riding I don't think they have ever won. It was a CAQ seat until now but for decades was a Liberal stronghold.

There was a higher than usual amount of interest for a by-election and turnout is going to be well over 50%.

This result is seen as symptomatic of the PQ's resurgence under PSPP, which materialized towards the end of the last general election but too late in the game to gain them more seats.

That was quite a surprise that the PQ candidate won with over 40% of the votes. Definitely a sign that the CAQ may be vulnerable now being in their second term. But a general election is still a long way away.

Loco101 · #**5007** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon

(Might wanna get used to those initials.)

I've known about him for quite awhile but haven't been reading about Quebec politics as much as I used to. PSPP is definitely charismatic and highly educated. He is the type of leader the PQ needs in order to have success and to be able to overtake Québec-Solidaire and also appeal to quite a few CAQ supporters.

Acajack · #**5008** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 12:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

I've known about him for quite awhile but haven't been reading about Quebec politics as much as I used to. PSPP is definitely charismatic and highly educated. He is the type of leader the PQ needs in order to have success and to be able to overtake Québec-Solidaire and also appeal to quite a few CAQ supporters.

I'd argue the PQ may have already overtaken QS as the most likely government-in-waiting. They are way behind QS in seats at the moment but have been ahead of them in the polls for a while in addition to having the ability to win seats in all regions, urban, suburban and rural.

QS can't seem to break out of its inner city bobo straitjacket. And even yesterday's PQ win shows that QS might be weakening with demographics they'd been doing well with.

My money is still on the CAQ getting re-elected in 2026, though.

MolsonExport · #**5009** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 12:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Parti Québécois cruising to an easy by-election win in Jean-Talon, a Québec City riding I don't think they have ever won. It was a CAQ seat until now but for decades was a Liberal stronghold.

There was a higher than usual amount of interest for a by-election and turnout is going to be well over 50%.

This result is seen as symptomatic of the PQ's resurgence under PSPP, which materialized towards the end of the last general election but too late in the game to gain them more seats.

Interesting. Quebec (Province) is holding on to its well-earned reputation as the most fickle voters in the country. Every decade, there seems to be a new sweep; a new willingness to give another party a kick at the can.

lio45 · #**5010** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 12:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon

(Might wanna get used to those initials.)

Anyone who has to ask what a “GND” or “PSPP” is, I’m really wondering why they’re deliberately choosing to enter a discussion of Quebec politics

MonctonRad · #**5011** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 12:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Interesting. Quebec (Province) is holding on to its well-earned reputation as the most fickle voters in the country. Every decade, there seems to be a new sweep; a new willingness to give another party a kick at the can.

The only thing predictable about Quebec politics is the unpredictability, fuelled by impulsivity and herd instinct.

lio45 · #**5012** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 12:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Interesting. Quebec (Province) is holding on to its well-earned reputation as the most fickle voters in the country. Every decade, there seems to be a new sweep; a new willingness to give another party a kick at the can.

This isn’t fickleness at all this time, the signs were totally obvious and all there for a while: the CAQ has had a few screwups and they’re starting to enter the phase where they behave too comfortably / think they own the government.

It’s similar to how if we had a Federal byelection right now in a traditional LPC stronghold, seeing a Tory MP getting elected in it wouldn’t be fickleness on the part of the Canadian electorate, but rather, normal and predictable very high level of Trudeau fatigue.

Acajack · #**5013** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 1:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Interesting. Quebec (Province) is holding on to its well-earned reputation as the most fickle voters in the country. Every decade, there seems to be a new sweep; a new willingness to give another party a kick at the can.

Is this actually a feature or a bug?

lio45 · #**5014** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 1:45 PM**

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Is this actually a feature or a bug?

Exactly what I was going to point out: the “barrier to entry” for a new party being lower in Quebec is more a feature than a bug — I’m sure MolsonEx will agree that Federal politics could use more of that feature (would be nice to be able to kick JT out without putting PP in charge…)

MolsonExport · #**5015** Posted **Oct 3, 2023, 1:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Is this actually a feature or a bug?

Both, and neither. Depending on the circumstances. I love the fact we can kick out parties that have overstayed their welcome. This is a cornerstone of a well-functioning democracy. On the other hand, sometimes I lament the herd mentality (which is even worse in Alberta). The pendulum is a good thing, but sometimes it swings too far one way and then to the other (which I don't think is very good).

New Brisavoine · #**5016** Posted **Oct 10, 2023, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Parti Québécois cruising to an easy by-election win in Jean-Talon, a Québec City riding I don't think they have ever won. It was a CAQ seat until now but for decades was a Liberal stronghold.

There was a higher than usual amount of interest for a by-election and turnout is going to be well over 50%.

This result is seen as symptomatic of the PQ's resurgence under PSPP, which materialized towards the end of the last general election but too late in the game to gain them more seats.

And you, could you ever see yourself voting for the PQ? I think you said some years ago you were a federal employee and a typical federalist. So I'm just curious.

New Brisavoine · #**5017** Posted **Oct 10, 2023, 7:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Interesting. Quebec (Province) is holding on to its well-earned reputation as the most fickle voters in the country. Every decade, there seems to be a new sweep; a new willingness to give another party a kick at the can.

That's called l'alternance démocratique, and it's healthy, not fickle.