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Well here we are. A reasonable proposal. Considering the basement level will not be parking, I'm assuming the proposal actually maintains the building, eg. not facadism.
That has been the proposal for years now, no?
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That has been the proposal for years now, no?
No, this is much more reasonable than the last iteration. Guy has been trying to stick a tower on their for the past few years.....

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I don't see why everyone is so down on Ogilvy. It took an old and underused structure, maintained its heritage character and made it a hub of activity again. I think it's one of the nicest building on Rideau (doesn't say much I guess...) and I hope to see similar with Somerset House. As long as they maintain the facade along both Bank and Somerset streets it will once again be the focus of this dying street corner.

https://goo.gl/maps/noEnwTzybMUPjtgE9
From the perspective of a tourist in Ottawa, sure it looks great. Padolsky did a great job with what he had. What bothers me is that they took this big beautiful department store that expanded over 50 years with additions that were different, but tied in well with the original building and mounted 1/4 of it (based on the original store) onto a modern mall. They couldn't even bother lining up the floors with the originals, so you have Simons floor slabs in the middle of windows.

For me, the entire building had historic value. It was interesting to see the difference in how they built the original building and the addition. Each addition had intricate detailing on the outside. It had an imposing presence without being overbearing like many other department stores in North America.

No reason why they could not maintain the entire building. It was structurally sound. Five open floors (and a basement) that could easily and seamlessly be integrated into the mall. Save a historic building, materials and carbon emissions.

Ultimately, I think they tore it down just so they could build the parking garage.
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Somerset House owner again applies to restore derelict building

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/somerset-house-ottawa-update-construction-demolition-1.6880696

Somerset House owner again applies to restore derelict building

Heritage Ottawa skeptical after years of plans falling apart

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News · Posted: Jun 21, 2023 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 3 hours ago

After years of false starts and missed deadlines, the owner of the long-neglected Somerset House has again put plans in motion to restore the historic structure.

The downtown Ottawa property on the corner of Bank Street and Somerset Street West was the site of the former Lockmaster and Duke of Somerset pubs.

After a partial collapse in 2007, most of the eastern half of the building was demolished. Its facade was torn down in 2016 and the 127-year-old western half remains vacant and boarded up to this day.

Earlier this month, applications were once again submitted that lay out plans to restore the derelict heritage building and add a three-storey addition where the demolished eastern half once stood.

The city's planning committee is also set to consider a zoning bylaw amendment in September as part of the application.

David Flemming of Heritage Ottawa called the plan "an ideal adaptive reuse," but he won't hold his breath that it'll lead anywhere.

He noted plans for the property have been "lurching forward" for years.

"I'll believe this when I see it," he said. "It's promising, though, and I think that's all we can hope for at this point."

Proposal copies earlier plan that went nowhere
The proposal is similar to a plan first pitched in 2017. At that time, the city granted approvals but the project went nowhere.

Centretown Community Association President Mary Huang noted Somerset House said she doesn't see anything in the current proposal that would face opposition and hopes something is finally done to animate the "important commercial corner."

"To have essentially something that's in limbo is pretty disheartening and upsetting," she said.

Like the old plan, the current one features a design from Chmiel Architects that involves the retention and restoration of the surviving building on the corner, plus a red-brick addition along Somerset of roughly the same height.

The combined structure would have retail on the ground floor and two residential storeys with a total of 14 units.

Compared to the previous plan, the new proposal calls for more brick and less glass on the front of the addition facing Somerset.

An elevation of a building
An elevation of the proposed design seen from Somerset Street West facing south. (City of Ottawa Development Application/Chmiel Architects)
"This distinct architectural expression will re-establish the building as a landmark, breathe new life into this underutilized site, and to greatly improve the surrounding urban fabric," said a planning rationale commissioned by the owner and dated June 8.

"Considerable effort has been made to address the renovation of the existing building and design of the new addition, in a style that is complementary, yet distinct to the former."

Long history of 'egregious' neglect
The building is owned by TKS Holdings, whose owner Tony Shahrasebi did not respond to CBC News requests for comment.

According to previous reports to council and its committees, TKS has repeatedly ignored orders to remediate the property in what several councillors have called an "egregious" case of demolition by neglect.

For the past 16 years the city has used its bureaucratic gavel on Shahrasebi — a total of 28 building code orders, 11 notices of violation and six property standards orders.

I'll believe this when I see it​​​​​​.
- David Flemming, Heritage Ottawa
The city and the property owner have also disagreed on whether to demolish or preserve the building.

As recently as March 2022, Shahrasebi submitted a report arguing the building must be demolished. Staff responded with deadlines for 28 "urgent" actions to ensure the safety and preservation of the building.

By last June, they noted the owner had already missed two such deadlines.

According to a city statement to CBC, investigations later determined the foundation had been underpinned and was not at an immediate risk of collapse. The city explained the owner has done rehabilitation work and metal and masonry stabilization work over the past year, while also cleaning out the interior of the building.

Shahrasebi's new applications are now up for public consultation.

Flemming said the city needs to think about extreme measures such as expropriating the building if the current plan ends up like the old ones.
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LOL, pretty sure this is just the first proposal, proposed to a new council.

The first one was shot down for a number of very weak reasons. Hopefully we can just say 'fine' and get it over with already.
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Skyline: What’s old is new in two recent developments

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August 10, 2023


From crumbling bricks…

Somerset House’s incident blotter is already stained with innumerable notices of violation, ignored orders, missed deadlines, and broken promises.

In 2007, the heritage building at Bank and Somerset Street West collapsed as a result of unauthorized renovations.

As recently as 2017, the 10th anniversary of that collapse, Ottawa City Council finally approved plans for the building’s restoration upon heritage planners’ laboured recommendation.

But the building’s owner, TKS Holdings, failed to proceed.

So Centretowners, weary of this dismal blight on one of the community’s most prominent corners, can be excused for greeting the latest version of Somerset House’s resurrection, designed by architect Richard Chmiel, with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Somerset House may at last be reborn. The proposal from the City of Ottawa Development Information files.
The redevelopment looks promising. The surviving half of the building would be restored with its missing elements, a corner turret and bay windows replaced. A new addition, on the ugly pit created when a slice of Somerset House was demolished for safety reasons, mirrors the historic portion with the use of brick, paired windows, and lintels.

A consultant’s analysis regarding its suitability in the midst of a heritage conservation district is underway.

If built, this project will comprise 14 residential units in the upper storeys and commercial uses on the ground floor. Minor zoning amendments are needed to bring it into conformity for setbacks, amenity space, and parking.

There is a ray of optimism. Thus far this owner has shown an increased level of commitment by investing in fresh studies and reports. The neighbourhood is holding its breath.

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https://centretownbuzz.com/2023/08/skyline-whats-old-is-new-in-two-recent-developments/
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City's heritage committee approves plan to develop Somerset House

Catherine Morrison, Ottawa Citizen
Published Sep 12, 2023 • 3 minute read




The City of Ottawa’s Built Heritage committee has approved an application to alter Somerset House, a heritage building found at 352 Somerset St. W. in Centretown.

Built in 1896, Somerset House originally housed a department store before becoming the location of the Duke of Somerset pub. Designated under the Ontario Heritage Act, the building located at the southeast corner of Somerset and Bank streets partially collapsed in 2007 during renovations, demolishing most of its east wall.

According to the city, it has since sat vacant “in a deteriorated condition.”

A news release issued by the city Tuesday stated that the proposed development includes “restoration and stabilization” as well as the construction of a three-storey addition at the back of the building.

The committee report, submitted by Court Curry, manager of right of way, heritage and urban design services, planning, real estate and economic development, states that the proposed development is a mixed-use building with two commercial units and 14 residential units. No parking spaces are being proposed.

The report said the application requires site plan control and a minor zoning bylaw amendment seeking to “obtain relief from height provisions, minimum required setbacks, heritage overlay and parking provisions.”

The proposal is also calling for restoration and rehabilitation of the building, including conserving its cast iron columns on the ground floor, replacing windows, restoring the original commercial storefront on the facade facing Somerset Street and repainting.

Several heritage applications have been submitted by the building’s owner, TKS Holdings Inc., owned by Tony Kue Shahrasebi, and approved by the city since the 2007 collapse, the report said, with no action taken except for taking down the east wing of the building in 2016. The report said that, in 2019, the property owner submitted reports recommending the building be demolished, though reviews concluded that the building was not in danger of collapse and could be repaired.

“Since 2019, Heritage Planning and Planning Services staff have worked with the property owner and his agents towards an acceptable proposal to redevelop this site while conserving the heritage value of this important building,” the report stated. “Meetings and correspondence to discuss options for this site have been held many times over the past several years.”

A letter signed by Mary Huang and Mike McCormick of the Centretown Community Association of Ottawa stated that the group is “not opposed to the current application” but has “concerns regarding the developer’s tardiness in proceeding with the improvements to the property.

“We believe that the proposed plans align with the historical context of the area and will contribute to the overall character and charm of our community,” the letter stated. “However, we would like to express our disappointment with the developer’s delays in proceeding with the improvements to the property. As an association dedicated to the betterment of our community, we have been eagerly anticipating the restoration and enhancement of 352 Somerset House.”

The letter stated that the association supported the preservation of the historic property, requesting that the city relay its concerns to the developer, urging them to expedite the development.

“It is crucial that they fulfill their commitments and take immediate action to restore and preserve this historic gem in our community,” the letter said.

The report stated that city staff recommend council approves the application to alter the building according to plans prepared by Chmiel Architects, but with certain conditions: That conservation measures are implemented; that the building’s condition is monitored alongside a professional engineer with heritage experience; that samples for any new material to be used on the building are provided to staff; and that a construction schedule be submitted.

The report also recommended that authority for minor design changes be delegated to the general manager of the Planning, Real Estate and Economic Development Department, and that council approve the “issuance of the heritage permit with a two-year expiry date from the date of issuance unless otherwise extended by Council.”

This report will be submitted to the city’s Planning and Housing Committee on Sept. 20, 2023. It will then move to council on Sept. 27.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-approves-plan-to-develop-somerset-house
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Latest plan to restore Somerset House looks to start construction this fall
City staff, councillors see hopeful signs the owner is serious this time

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Sep 13, 2023 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


There's a sudden rush of guarded optimism that work to restore one of Ottawa's most prominent symbols of urban blight could begin as early as this fall.

City council's built heritage committee voted Tuesday to endorse a plan to restore Somerset House, a 127-year-old heritage building in Centretown that has sat vacant since a partial collapse in 2007.

It's the third such plan, but the architect behind the latest design told the committee this time is different.

"This time we have a very strong mandate on behalf of the client to proceed," said Richard Chmiel. "If we can get our permits by October, they'd be willing to start construction this fall."

His design would put a three-storey red-brick addition on the site of the collapsed eastern wing, while restoring the existing heritage structure.

It would bring back a long-lost bay window and repair the decayed turret at the corner of Bank and Somerset streets.

Somerset Coun. Ariel Troster said the plan is neither perfect nor ambitious, but would fit well in the community.

In her view, anything is better than an "eyesore" on one of her ward's most prominent corners. She said it's the building she hears about most in the neighbourhood.

"Members of the community are very anxious to see this move forward. Somerset House has been a blight on the urban landscape," she said.

"I am choosing to be cautiously optimistic, but I also understand when neighbours are skeptical about this one."

That skepticism comes after a long history of false starts, building code violations and fears the structure could be lost.

David Flemming of Heritage Ottawa has shared it, but he now sees a "tasteful" design and signs it might finally happen.

"I think it is likely to go forward," he said. "It's very different now. They seem to have ironed out all the problems after the 2017 approval."

Chmiel said that last proposal collapsed amid a dispute with city engineers over the seismic capability of the building. In his view, some of the previous designs were also more complicated.

"We went through iterations where we tried to do a six-storey addition, a nine-storey addition, but the whole principle of 'keep it simple stupid' — we're trying to do that, because the client is not a sophisticated developer," he said.

He told the committee his client now has a "definite intention" to proceed, and has already sought a building permit to move forward. That didn't happen the last time around.

If the permit doesn't come in October, though, he said construction would likely be postponed until spring. It would then take 12 to 18 months to finish, Chmiel estimated.

A lot has to happen before the city can grant that permit. The plan must go before planning committee, and then council. Staff must consider a site plan control application.

Heritage planning manager Lesley Collins said it's "feasible" to wrap all that up this fall.

"I think the applicant is quite enthusiastic and optimistic about moving this project forward," said Collins. "We're seeing more action than we've seen in many years on this file, so the submission of a building permit application for instance is, I think, a very optimistic sign."

Rideau-Rockcliffe Coun. Rawlson King, who chairs the built heritage committee, was feeling that same tempered enthusiasm as members voted in favour of the plan.

"Today is a positive step but we're only cautiously optimistic, because there's been plenty of talk, but what residents now expect is action," King said.

"It's now incumbent on the applicant himself to work toward saving Somerset House."

He noted that the committee's endorsement came with conditions. The owner will have to take conservation measures, submit monitoring reports on the building's condition and provide samples of the materials slated for use on the project.

If council approves, the heritage permit would expire in two years.

Flemming said this should "definitely" be the owner's last chance to restore the building. He said the city would find a buyer if it stepped in to expropriate and restore the building itself.

"The problem with expropriation is it's a political decision and there was never the political will," he said.

Troster said the city was close to expropriation during the last term of council, but pulled back. She said it would be an expensive last resort.

If this plan doesn't save Somerset House, it could be time for last resorts. She wants to see a restored Somerset House "whatever it takes."

"Ultimately, we want the owner to do the work. We don't want the city to have to do the work, but we still have that final tool in our toolbox," she said.

"If this starts creeping any closer to 20 years of neglect, then I think it'll be time for the city to take drastic action."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/somerset-house-restoration-ottawa-1.6964335



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I hope we finally see this move forward, it's been long overdue.

The state of Bank St altogether, from the CBD to the 417 is pretty sad. So many empty retail spots and unmaintained buildings. Would be nice to see a lot more residential projects in Centertown and bring Bank St back to life.
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Wasn't this the plan from like 2017? I remember thinking that this should be fine, a mix of old and new, but McKenney pooh poohed it.

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Latest plan to restore Somerset House looks to start construction this fall
City staff, councillors see hopeful signs the owner is serious this time

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Sep 13, 2023 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


There's a sudden rush of guarded optimism that work to restore one of Ottawa's most prominent symbols of urban blight could begin as early as this fall.

City council's built heritage committee voted Tuesday to endorse a plan to restore Somerset House, a 127-year-old heritage building in Centretown that has sat vacant since a partial collapse in 2007.

It's the third such plan, but the architect behind the latest design told the committee this time is different.

"This time we have a very strong mandate on behalf of the client to proceed," said Richard Chmiel. "If we can get our permits by October, they'd be willing to start construction this fall."

His design would put a three-storey red-brick addition on the site of the collapsed eastern wing, while restoring the existing heritage structure.

It would bring back a long-lost bay window and repair the decayed turret at the corner of Bank and Somerset streets.

Somerset Coun. Ariel Troster said the plan is neither perfect nor ambitious, but would fit well in the community.

In her view, anything is better than an "eyesore" on one of her ward's most prominent corners. She said it's the building she hears about most in the neighbourhood.

"Members of the community are very anxious to see this move forward. Somerset House has been a blight on the urban landscape," she said.

"I am choosing to be cautiously optimistic, but I also understand when neighbours are skeptical about this one."

That skepticism comes after a long history of false starts, building code violations and fears the structure could be lost.

David Flemming of Heritage Ottawa has shared it, but he now sees a "tasteful" design and signs it might finally happen.

"I think it is likely to go forward," he said. "It's very different now. They seem to have ironed out all the problems after the 2017 approval."

Chmiel said that last proposal collapsed amid a dispute with city engineers over the seismic capability of the building. In his view, some of the previous designs were also more complicated.

"We went through iterations where we tried to do a six-storey addition, a nine-storey addition, but the whole principle of 'keep it simple stupid' — we're trying to do that, because the client is not a sophisticated developer," he said.

He told the committee his client now has a "definite intention" to proceed, and has already sought a building permit to move forward. That didn't happen the last time around.

If the permit doesn't come in October, though, he said construction would likely be postponed until spring. It would then take 12 to 18 months to finish, Chmiel estimated.

A lot has to happen before the city can grant that permit. The plan must go before planning committee, and then council. Staff must consider a site plan control application.

Heritage planning manager Lesley Collins said it's "feasible" to wrap all that up this fall.

"I think the applicant is quite enthusiastic and optimistic about moving this project forward," said Collins. "We're seeing more action than we've seen in many years on this file, so the submission of a building permit application for instance is, I think, a very optimistic sign."

Rideau-Rockcliffe Coun. Rawlson King, who chairs the built heritage committee, was feeling that same tempered enthusiasm as members voted in favour of the plan.

"Today is a positive step but we're only cautiously optimistic, because there's been plenty of talk, but what residents now expect is action," King said.

"It's now incumbent on the applicant himself to work toward saving Somerset House."

He noted that the committee's endorsement came with conditions. The owner will have to take conservation measures, submit monitoring reports on the building's condition and provide samples of the materials slated for use on the project.

If council approves, the heritage permit would expire in two years.

Flemming said this should "definitely" be the owner's last chance to restore the building. He said the city would find a buyer if it stepped in to expropriate and restore the building itself.

"The problem with expropriation is it's a political decision and there was never the political will," he said.

Troster said the city was close to expropriation during the last term of council, but pulled back. She said it would be an expensive last resort.

If this plan doesn't save Somerset House, it could be time for last resorts. She wants to see a restored Somerset House "whatever it takes."

"Ultimately, we want the owner to do the work. We don't want the city to have to do the work, but we still have that final tool in our toolbox," she said.

"If this starts creeping any closer to 20 years of neglect, then I think it'll be time for the city to take drastic action."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/somerset-house-restoration-ottawa-1.6964335



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The state of Bank St altogether, from the CBD to the 417 is pretty sad. So many empty retail spots and unmaintained buildings. Would be nice to see a lot more residential projects in Centertown and bring Bank St back to life.
I would agree that Bank north of Somerset is sad, but from Maclaren south to the 417 is actually looking pretty good. Lots of new or renovated businesses and quite a bit of street life.
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I would agree that Bank north of Somerset is sad, but from Maclaren south to the 417 is actually looking pretty good. Lots of new or renovated businesses and quite a bit of street life.
Agreed, especially when the former James St Pub site development is finished, that stretch will have a pretty solid street-feel. I'm always presently surprised when I walk down there.
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This seems like good news, but I have no faith in the owner. Should have been expropriated years ago.

We need a ruin tax. We need major fines for any damage to heritage buildings. If they do start the development and "accidently" knock it over, they should have to pay millions in penalties.
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Surely the tower proposal was just trolling in frustration

Here's the first iteration of this. Same same but different, as they say in Thailand:
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This is all kind of promising

But why don't they try to match the brick colour? I'm looking out my window at the Civic right now noticing over 100 years of different buildings and additions that all (most) try to continue the red brick colour from the original structure.
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This is all kind of promising

But why don't they try to match the brick colour? I'm looking out my window at the Civic right now noticing over 100 years of different buildings and additions that all (most) try to continue the red brick colour from the original structure.
But they are...
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But why don't they try to match the brick colour? I'm looking out my window at the Civic right now noticing over 100 years of different buildings and additions that all (most) try to continue the red brick colour from the original structure.
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The elevation posted by OTownandDown was one of (or the) first concept. The new concept, the one from the CBC article, is the newest design, with red _ more brick.
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Going to Planning this week. Fingers crossed that this actually gets approved, and more importantly, the owner goes through with the project without any "unfortunate incidents".
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The elevation posted by OTownandDown was one of (or the) first concept. The new concept, the one from the CBC article, is the newest design, with red _ more brick.
Oh I see, that makes sense. I thought it was the one with all the grey brick....phew
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