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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 1:10 PM
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Yeah that number is fully wrong. There are a lot of ways to slice dice population and migration data, but there is no scenario in which Philadelphia overall lost a 5th of its population. Also, the total population of the entire Greater Center City area doesn't even come close to 317k, so would be very curious to understand what "urban core" means here. And CCD data from cell phones suggests that the total residential population is actually higher than it was in 2019.
Maybe the comma is in the wrong place? All estimates fluctuate, but 317k is not remotely close to any reliable estimates that I've seen.

Might be worth writing the author, asking for sources, and if you catch an error, they will correct it quickly (unlike the Inquirer).

*Update: The author of the article is an intern. Her name is Katie Mogg, "Dow Jones News Fund Reporting Intern, The Wall Street Journal". I will write her today.

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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 2:04 PM
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Might be worth writing the author, asking for sources, and if you catch an error, they will correct it quickly (unlike the Inquirer).
I get writers at the Inky to make corrections and clarifications all the time.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 2:29 PM
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I get writers at the Inky to make corrections and clarifications all the time.
I said quickly... I've written the Inky many times, on average it's 3+ days before I see the change.

Anyways, I emailed the WSJ author and it bounced back... A first with them.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 2:42 PM
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WSJ Article on Philly's difficulties in getting people back into their Center City offices. https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/workplace/...ing-philadelphia-office-workers-f3b4dcf7
"Unlike many major U.S. cities, Philadelphia levies a tax on wages earned there, plus it has alluring far-flung suburbs, which helps explain why many people are staying away, said Mark Zandi, chief economist at financial-intelligence firm Moody’s Analytics and a Philadelphia native. More than 317,000 people moved out of Philadelphia’s urban core between March 2020 and June 2023, according to Moody’s."
So a combination of crime and high taxes. No surprises there.
317,000 people moving out of the city sounds like a lot, though. I'd like to see the author's source on that.
One day we're reading articles about how people are staying put because there's no inventory in the suburbs and how NYers are moving here en masse, the next day we're reading articles about how the city lost 1/5th of it's population.

Typical WSJ propaganda. It's no different from Forbes for it's transparent political bent. 1. There aren't 317K people in the core to begin with. 2. If they're looking at anything, perhaps it's the number of people who moved out of Philadelphia without mentioning how many came from other places to replace them. It's patently and purposefully misleading.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 3:28 PM
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One day we're reading articles about how people are staying put because there's no inventory in the suburbs and how NYers are moving here en masse, the next day we're reading articles about how the city lost 1/5th of it's population.

Typical WSJ propaganda. It's no different from Forbes for it's transparent political bent. 1. There aren't 317K people in the core to begin with. 2. If they're looking at anything, perhaps it's the number of people who moved out of Philadelphia without mentioning how many came from other places to replace them. It's patently and purposefully misleading.
I think it's more likely that WSJ really meant to refer to migration of office workers, not residents, which begs the question of whether their columnists have a firm grasp of the English language and/or understand the fundamental difference between someone who only commutes to Center City, and someone who actually lives there.

Just another desperate attempt to drive clicks with the tired "urban doom loop" narrative. It's obvious that kind of content makes people on the right side of the political spectrum get their jollies off.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 1:01 AM
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Yeah CCD data from cell phones suggests that the total residential population is actually higher than it was in 2019.
I could see that being true, especially given all the development we have on the way and finished too
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 1:20 AM
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I could see that being true, especially given all the development we have on the way and finished too
Makes sense to me too. If our vacancy rate stays the same and our number of units goes up then our population increases. I moved here post-COVID so I don’t have a baseline to compare to, but the city has definitely seemed busy when I’m out doing things.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 5:23 AM
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Makes sense to me too. If our vacancy rate stays the same and our number of units goes up then our population increases. I moved here post-COVID so I don’t have a baseline to compare to, but the city has definitely seemed busy when I’m out doing things.
Lived there in 2018-2019, and have been going frequently post covid. Definitely more alive. More empty lots/buildings being developed, people utilizing open spaces more. Philly is small, so any development seems to change an area quickly.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 2:15 PM
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Lived there in 2018-2019, and have been going frequently post covid. Definitely more alive. More empty lots/buildings being developed, people utilizing open spaces more. Philly is small, so any development seems to change an area quickly.
Center City has the second largest downtown residential population in the country, behind only Manhattan. I think it has more to do with the city being more compact than others and also the rapid rate of development in certain neighborhoods. I moved to Spring Garden two years ago and already the vibe feels different.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 6:31 PM
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Exciting news! Though the timeline is long, I trust National Real Estate will deliver.
For some reason I thought the African American Museum was in lieu of a hotel, but looks like both are planned.
And I wonder what the high-rise plan is in the first picture.

Development team picked to turn Family Court building into hotel, construct new African American Museum
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia...african-american-museum-development.html

National Real Estate Development and Frontier Development & Hospitality Group have been selected to transform the former Family Court building into a boutique hotel and build a new location for the African American Museum in Philadelphia on a neighboring surface parking lot along the Benjamin Franklin Parkway.

The 247,196-square-foot former Family Court building at 1801 Vine St. is planned to include a restaurant, bar and event space in addition to the hotel.

The new African American Museum in Philadelphia would be built on the 88,000-square-foot parking lot at 1901 Wood St., which is managed by the Philadelphia Parking Authority.

The development is estimated to be completed in 2028 at the earliest, but the complexity of the project, which includes historic rehabilitation, could force it to take longer.

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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 6:44 PM
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The renderings look amazing. I wonder what the high rise is between the old family court and the new museum. A yet-to-be-announced residential tower?
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 7:11 PM
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African American Museum and Family Court Building

Wow this is great news. The African American Museum gets a brand new home and the Family Court building is used for a different boutique hotel. It looks like there is a tower too. IMO this is much better because the Family Court building has incredible mosaics/murals but they mostly have nothing to do with African American history.






National Real Estate Development and Frontier Development & Hospitality Group have been selected to transform the former Family Court building into a boutique hotel and build a new location for the African American Museum in Philadelphia on a neighboring surface parking lot along the Benjamin Franklin Parkway.
After a request for proposals process that started in July 2021, the city and Philadelphia Industrial Development Corp. announced the selection of Philadelphia-based National Real Estate and Washington, D.C.-based Frontier Development on Tuesday afternoon. Method Co., Smith & Roller and BKP Development Group are also collaborating on the project.
The 247,196-square-foot former Family Court building at 1801 Vine St. is planned to include a restaurant, bar and event space in addition to the hotel. The new African American Museum in Philadelphia would be built on the 88,000-square-foot parking lot at 1901 Wood St., which is managed by the Philadelphia Parking Authority.
The development is estimated to be completed in 2028 at the earliest, but the complexity of the project, which includes historic rehabilitation, could force it to take longer.
The team of developers are also drawing up plans — as seen in renderings for the project — for a 30-story apartment tower with 500 to 600 units on the 1901 Wood St. lot.
The city and PIDC required proposals to include the museum’s relocation from 701 Arch St. and the Free Library of Philadelphia’s Parkway Central Library’s new Children and Family Center. The library is at 1901 Vine St., directly south of the parking lot and west of the former Family Court building.
The African American Museum will join a host of cultural institutions located along the Parkway, including the Philadelphia Museum of Art, the Barnes Foundation, the Rodin Museum and the Franklin Institute.


Previously, the city had a several-year agreement with Miami-based Peebles Corp. to turn the Family Court building into an upscale hotel but that ended in 2020 amid the Covid-19 pandemic and challenges the proposal had with the federal Historic Tax Credit Program.
The parking lot at 1901 Wood St. was also previously eyed as the location for the Free Library of Philadelphia’s Parkway Central Library to expand with a 60,000-square-foot Children and Family Center.
In 2021, PIDC put out a request for qualifications to redevelop the properties. Four finalists were announced in August 2022. The deadline for proposals was extended to February to allow development teams to propose the museum being located at 1901 Wood St. rather than at the former Family Court building if they could do so without impacting the library’s expansion plans featuring an auditorium, storage and relocation of administrative office space.
In addition to National/Frontier, the three other finalists were:
Trammell-Crow/Badger Group/Salamander Hotels
Tishman Speyer/Jair Lynch Real Estate Partners
Lubert-Adler/Mosaic Development
The building at 1801 Vine St. was designed by Philadelphia architect John Torrey Windrim and built in 1941 with funds from the Works Progress Administration. It’s considered a twin building along with the Free Library of Philadelphia, a structure completed in 1927. They’re modeled after the palace buildings of La Place de la Concorde in Paris. The Family Court building’s exterior and a portion of its interior, including 37 murals, are listed on the Philadelphia Register of Historic Places.
“This visionary project hopes to honor the original intent of the Parkway, while seamlessly integrating the site into the surrounding neighborhoods, bolstering the cultural tapestry of the Parkway and Logan Circle," National Real Estate Development President Daniel Killinger said in a statement.
Philadelphia-based National Real Estate Development’s $1 billion East Market project spans a city block from Market to Chestnut streets and from 11th to 12th streets. It includes two apartment towers, shopping, dining, a grocery store, office space, pedestrian plazas and Jefferson Health’s 19-story Honickman Center.
National Real Estate is also working on a multiphase $500 million development in Northern Liberties. The first phase features a 13-story, 360-apartment building at 200 Spring Garden St. named The Noble planned to open in early 2024.
Frontier Development & Hospitality Group specializes in hospitality and multifamily developments and has $600 million of urban infill mixed-use development underway.

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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 7:16 PM
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Nice looking tower. Hope it gets built.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 9:24 PM
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The renderings look amazing. I wonder what the high rise is between the old family court and the new museum. A yet-to-be-announced residential tower?
500-600 apartments with ground floor retail.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 9:28 PM
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BREAKING: A development team has been named for the redevelopment of the Family Court Building and the adjacent properties. Not only would the building be reimagined as a hotel, the African-American Museum of Philadelphia would get a new home, along with a new Free Library space and a children & family center. Oh, and a 500-600 unit tower would also be part of the fun. This project is being led by National Real Estate Development and Frontier Development & Hospitality Group.
More to come...
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 10:37 PM
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Excellent proposal that will be great for the Parkway. The fact that it combines hospitality, residential, cultural and institutional in one project is a home run.

And fantastic that National is the developer; makes it far more likely to come to fruition.
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 12:13 AM
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National Real Estate Development has single handedly raised the bar of what we should expect in terms of development in Philadelphia.

Yes, Post and SLC are also doing great things, but National Real Estate seems to have an appetite to take on more complex projects that have the potential to change entire neighborhoods (Market East, Callowhill, now this).

I'm a big fan.
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All-around great designs. Love the arches on the apartment building. Such a pleasing aesthetic.
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 2:16 AM
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So if the development is proposed to be completed by 2028 or so, what do we give a timeline for like the larger buildings in this project? Cuz it looks like the redeveloping that whole block, when would we give that a timeline for?

My main thing with that is because the. Timeline included the renovations of the historic buildings so I feel like the new construction could be done a lot sooner
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 11:20 AM
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This might be exaggerating (but I'm an unapologetic Philly booster) but if the library and Family Court project gets built Philly could have the best public library in the country. We need something that would put New York and Boston to shame. Also, Center City is about maybe 20-30 years from being on par with Manhattan. Right now it's silly to compare, but with how absolutely insane growth we've seen just in the last 2 years in and next to CC and Philly growing so much faster than the Bos-Wash peers or it feels like that way we could see the gap close.
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