[Moncton] Downtown Developments - Page 364

MonctonRad · #**7261** Posted **Aug 26, 2023, 11:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riberview

Hold on to your hat. Big news coming

Really? Are you privy to something???

Riberview · #**7262** Posted **Aug 27, 2023, 12:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Really? Are you privy to something???

You could ask me fifty times and my stories would be the same.

Leroy321 · #**7263** Posted **Aug 27, 2023, 2:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Riberview

You could ask me fifty times and my stories would be the same.

I’ve heard some private rumours from a good source that there still planning. If what I’m hearing is true it’s a pretty big project but I haven’t heard anything else about this project for a couple months now.

MonctonRad · #**7264** Posted **Aug 27, 2023, 3:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Riberview

You could ask me fifty times and my stories would be the same.

Well, we know at the very least, that the Ashford project will include a residential tower, a relocated city market and an enclosed parking structure.

The city is now also considering a convention centre. If so, and if large enough, I could see a new hotel being included as part of this proposal too.

Will we see a hotel tower in addition to a residential tower?

jonny golden · #**7265** Posted **Aug 27, 2023, 2:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Well, we know at the very least, that the Ashford project will include a residential tower, a relocated city market and an enclosed parking structure.

The city is now also considering a convention centre. If so, and if large enough, I could see a new hotel being included as part of this proposal too.

Will we see a hotel tower in addition to a residential tower?

My first thought was something other than the Ashford development, considering that they're waiting on the feasibility study regarding a convention center before they finalize their plans.

So I thought the big news was referring another project - either something new, or something we already know about.

-St. Bernard's Square (20 floors?)
-Baton Rouge will be the ground floor with a residential tower above?
-Main & V. Harvey will revert to 10 floors?
-1222 Main Street will be redeveloped?

Probably all wishful thinking though.

Mattyyy · #**7266** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 11:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Really? Are you privy to something???

To me this sounds related to the Ashford development. I certainly wouldn't hold my breath on this one - maybe holding my shoes would be better!

MonctonRad · #**7267** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 12:23 PM**

There are lots of rumours out there about the Ashford/Downing project. Many of them are suspect.

- how old is the rumour?
- what is the validity of the source?
- rumours tend to be circular, and, can become embellished with time, and with distance from the initiating source.

We really have no idea what's going on except for the basics (residential tower, city market, parking structure), and, even then, market conditions have drastically changed especially with relation to borrowing costs.

We may be talking about this even 3-5 years from now unless conditions improve.................

jonny golden · #**7268** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 1:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mattyyy

To me this sounds related to the Ashford development. I certainly wouldn't hold my breath on this one - maybe holding my shoes would be better!

Could be an Ashford announcement, I was thinking that it was something more immanent.

We know that they're waiting on the convention center study to be completed before they announce their phase one plans. Also there's infrastructure work that has to happen first.

Meanwhile, Ashford is keeping busy with their west Main Street project.

I'm kind of hoping that there's something else brewing that will excite us all. Whatever this 'big news' is, I hope it's something that gets off the ground without all these delays that we've been seeing lately!

Nashe · #**7269** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 3:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riberview

You could ask me fifty times and my stories would be the same.

The question is... is that 1 x 50 storeys, or 2 x 25... or 5 x 10...

MonctonRad · #**7270** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nashe

The question is... is that 1 x 50 storeys, or 2 x 25... or 5 x 10...

Maybe you're right. Maybe Riberview was sending us a coded message as to what to expect.

Mattyyy · #**7271** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 5:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riberview

You could ask me fifty times and my stories would be the same.

Hmmm, actually I would guess this is a bit of a riddle. Ask me 50 times and my stories would be the same. Seems like an odd thing to say unless there was a strong hint within this message.

But 50 stories - why would you build something so tall in Moncton? And is it what you are trying to hint? Or could is possibly be perhaps 2 buildings at 25 stories each??

Now I'm curious!

lirette · #**7272** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mattyyy

Hmmm, actually I would guess this is a bit of a riddle. Ask me 50 times and my stories would be the same. Seems like an odd thing to say unless there was a strong hint within this message.

But 50 stories - why would you build something so tall in Moncton? And is it what you are trying to hint? Or could is possibly be perhaps 2 buildings at 25 stories each??

Now I'm curious!

I'd actually seen a few folks posting unconfirmed rumors that there was a proposal being looked at for 2x50 story buildings a few months ago. I kind of laughed it off initially given it was found on reddit and the poster mentioned his "client" told him. The poster didnt have any previous track record of being in the know.

This certainly moves the needle in an interesting direction. If nothing else its given us something to talk and ponder about during this relatively quiet time. Ill believe it when I see it.

MonctonianSentinel01 · #**7273** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 5:58 PM**

Wow good catch Nashe! This has all of a sudden gotten more interesting.

jnaygull · #**7274** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 6:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by lirette

I'd actually seen a few folks posting unconfirmed rumors that there was a proposal being looked at for 2x50 story buildings a few months ago. I kind of laughed it off initially given it was found on reddit and the poster mentioned his "client" told him. The poster didnt have any previous track record of being in the know.

This certainly moves the needle in an interesting direction. If nothing else its given us something to talk and ponder about during this relatively quiet time. Ill believe it when I see it.

Given the fact that we can't even get a 10-storey building built on the corner of a very prominent location, I highly doubt we'd EVER get a 50-storey tower (let alone two). Small garden, urban farmers in the Northend would surely complain about the shadows.

Jokes aside, a 50-floor building in Moncton would look really strange. Let's hope it's a couple of 25'ers. That being said, until shovels are in the ground, even a proposal at this point doesn't quite get me all that excited.

adamuptownsj · #**7275** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 6:27 PM**

I don't get the opposition to super tall, out of place, buildings here. If someone has the sack to build a 50-storey, embrace it! Six months ago there was griping about 30, and suddenly, 30's cool when one gets announced. This is SkyscraperPage, we want skyscrapers, right? Currently Moncton's skyline is bifrucating east/west. Anything north of Assomption is great and will improve that. Eight floors? Cool. Forty? Also cool.

Why someone would want to build that high, IDK, but if they want to build it, let them come. Ashford wants a signature project here. Metro Moncton will top 200,000 easily in the next 10 years. Who cares if it looks a little disjointed in the meantime. There's so much more coming. At least your developers are capable of bringing their dreams to life. Not so much down here.

jonny golden · #**7276** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 6:37 PM**

If Ashford is going to do a residential tower and a hotel tower(convention center included), would there be a market for another hotel downtown that's 25 floors?

What if ICON is going to do 2 x 25 instead of 1 x 30? Would that lot be large enough?

Riberview · #**7277** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 8:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Maybe you're right. Maybe Riberview was sending us a coded message as to what to expect.

Nashe · #**7278** Posted **Aug 28, 2023, 10:54 PM**

Ain't nothin' wrong with 2 x 25.

Mattyyy · #**7279** Posted **Aug 29, 2023, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nashe

Ain't nothin' wrong with 2 x 25.

If I had my guess - I think the Ashford development is considering the possibility of 2 towers at 25 floors each. 50 seems excessive and out of place, and would be a wasted opportunity in creating infill of downtown land.

Imagine 2 new buildings each at 25 floors, joined by shared ground space containing a relocated city market, convention space plus a new city library. One building a hotel, the other residential.

And as I think this further - I suppose the buildings do not need to be 25 each (may be too much for a hotel?). So perhaps a building at 30 or even 35 (residential) plus a shorter hotel at 15-20.

MonctonRad · #**7280** Posted **Aug 29, 2023, 11:32 AM**

This little stub of a descriptor showed up on the CCD Canada website this morning:

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NB - MONCTON
C. OF MONCTON, ASHFORD DEVELOPMENT

This is the very first time I have ever seen anything to do with Ashford posted on CCD. Since CCD is used as a clearing house for information regarding upcoming developments for the construction community, this may mean some movement on this file.