Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3 - Page 407

thurmas · #**8121** Posted **Aug 15, 2023, 9:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

Somehow, I think some of the allure of that cool looking roof (despite its issues) not being there would affect its place as a tourist resort.

I find the big o looks nicer open air that blue dome with dark technical ring roofing makes it so cold and dreary

blueandgoldguy · #**8122** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

That same size stadium in Winnpeg and Regina cost $210 and $310 million in 2013 and 2017 Cdn dollars. Today that would be $270 and $400 million. That's a far cry from $800 million US, plus there would be 5000 or so less seats further lowering the cost. Also, I believe the roof at IG Field cost $40 million, which could have resulted in a 33k stadium costing $230 million had they left the roof out. Even, if my premise is naive add another $100 million and you could still have a 33k stadium at $350 million.

You still haven't factored that Saputo wants out of his own named stadium unless he can work a deal with Parc Olympique which is unlikely seeing they haven't done anything the whole time the Impact /CFM have been in existence.

It's going to take a lot more than adding an end of seating, Saputo stadium has to be winterized.

I had to break it to you, but no, it would not. Not even close. Construction inflation has been far greater than that over the past few years.

Ottawa's proposed new 11,000 seat stand at Lansdowne would cost $110 - $130 million. Calgary's new arena will cost $800 million and I doubt it will be any nicer than Edmonton's $500 million arena.

It's likely building a basic Tim Hortons-like Field today would exceed $250 million.

elly63 · #**8123** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 10:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

I had to break it to you, but no, it would not. Not even close. Construction inflation has been far greater than that over the past few years.

I used an inflation calculator and then added another $100 million to make my estimate more realistic. The OP posted a comparison that a 33k (actually 35k) stadium in the US would cost $800 million inferring a similar stadium in Canada would cost the same, that is ludicrous. The OP also stated no roof when it actually has a state of the art canopy (their words). Whether the stadium he was using as his example would be more opulent than one in Canada which might be more utile I don't know, I would think the arena examples are very opulent to keep pace with other facilities in the league. I would hardly put any stadium in Canada up against the AT&T Stadium for levels of opulence, that's just not how we roll for stadiums.

thurmas · #**8124** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 10:41 PM**

ok I have found 35000 seat snapdragon stadium in san diego was just done for $310 million looks nice however would likely be pricier in Canada with currency exchange, canadian labour cost likely more expensive and having to winterize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_Stadium

blueandgoldguy · #**8125** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 10:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

ok I have found 35000 seat snapdragon stadium in san diego was just done for $310 million looks nice however would likely be pricier in Canada with currency exchange, canadian labour cost likely more expensive and having to winterize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_Stadium

Pretty much. I would think IG Field, especially when you factor in the tens of millions they had to sink into it after the initial build would likely be closer to $400 million or even beyond if they started building it now. It has been 12 - 13 years since they started construction on it.

I shudder to think what you would get with that proposal of a $60 million stadium they had discussed for Halifax a few years ago.

thurmas · #**8126** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 11:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

Pretty much. I would think IG Field, especially when you factor in the tens of millions they had to sink into it after the initial build would likely be closer to $400 million or even beyond if they started building it now. It has been 12 - 13 years since they started construction on it.

I shudder to think what you would get with that proposal of a $60 million stadium they had discussed for Halifax a few years ago.

Rough guess snapdragon would probably cost around 425 to 450 in Canada. If you scale it down to 25000 maybe 330 to 350 cost? So bottom line brand new is much better option than a renovated big o.

elly63 · #**8127** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 11:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

ok I have found 35000 seat snapdragon stadium in san diego was just done for $310 million looks nice however would likely be pricier in Canada with currency exchange, canadian labour cost likely more expensive and having to winterize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_Stadium

Appreciate your honesty in finding that, but again we have to consider levels of opulence and size. The discussion we are having is about Montreal and their needs are likely in the 25-30k range. And considering that stadium costs are often measured in cost per seat that seems to be a consideration that the smaller you go, the savings might increment upwards.

elly63 · #**8128** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 11:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by thurmas

Rough guess snapdragon would probably cost around 425 to 450 in Canada. If you scale it down to 25000 maybe 330 to 350 cost? So bottom line brand new is much better option than a renovated big o.

I think that is what I've been trying to tell you all along. The only time I said to renovate the Big O interior as an option was going with my heart instead of my head (which I stated)

Put a roof on the Big O and build a new 25-30k stadium for Als and CFM and make them fund a large portion.

thurmas · #**8129** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 11:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

I think that is what I've been trying to tell you all along. The only time I said to renovate the Big O interior as an option was going with my heart instead of my head (which I stated)

Put a roof on the Big O and build a new 25-30k stadium for Als and CFM and make them fund a large portion.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. I am still unsure what land would be available for cheap on the island or if an option in the suburbs like Brossard would be considered if its significantly cheaper?

Djeffery · #**8130** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 1:16 AM**

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Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. I am still unsure what land would be available for cheap on the island or if an option in the suburbs like Brossard would be considered if its significantly cheaper?

How about in the same spot as Saputo is now? No reason to keep it if a new joint stadium is built. Could CFM play at the big O or McGill for a couple seasons?

thurmas · #**8131** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 1:32 AM**

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How about in the same spot as Saputo is now? No reason to keep it if a new joint stadium is built. Could CFM play at the big O or McGill for a couple seasons?

olympic park is a dead zone in east end of montreal which is a rougher side of the city and poorer, i think downtown or even a more affluent suburb like brossard where the habs practice facility is with a larger anglophone and allophone community might be a better fit.

Acajack · #**8132** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 1:58 AM**

Big O hosting OSM symphony concert this evening. Looks like 20-30,000 people there. Yes there are many other sites in the city that could host this.

Denscity · #**8133** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 2:34 AM**

How about the Big O completely removed its roof, added drainage around the inner perimeter, and added heated seats? Crazy affordable idea?

Coldrsx · #**8134** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 2:00 PM**

Pink Floyd at Ivor Wynn - 1975

https://twitter.com/oldcanadaseries/...30180919218176

Acajack · #**8135** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 2:18 PM**

Was Ivor Wynne the most famous municipal public servant in Canadian history?

elly63 · #**8136** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 2:30 PM**

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Was Ivor Wynne the most famous municipal public servant in Canadian history?

Do mayors count? Vic Copps, Nathan Phillips

Acajack · #**8137** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 2:48 PM**

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Do mayors count? Vic Copps, Nathan Phillips

I was excluding politicians because they have a lot more visibility, though I guess they are also municipal employees.

But sure if we're including them then Rob Ford, Mel Lastman, Jean Drapeau...

Coldrsx · #**8138** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 3:03 PM**

My grandma was a classmate of his during university. I will snag a class photo one of these days.

Berklon · #**8139** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Pink Floyd at Ivor Wynn - 1975

Wynne

Here's some Super8 footage from that concert, converted to 4K and synced to audio from the concert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSXZMFq_Msk

elly63 · #**8140** Posted **Aug 17, 2023, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I was excluding politicians because they have a lot more visibility, though I guess they are also municipal employees.

But sure if we're including them then Rob Ford, Mel Lastman, Jean Drapeau...

I was interpreting that as fame derived from something other than their position. As an example, not living in Ontario and during their time I would not have known Vic Copps and Nathan Phillips were mayors. I knew them from Copps Coliseum, Nathan Phillips Square.

The three mayors you listed I know from their positions as mayors and not something else.