Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[J.OT13]

So what they heck is wrong with the roof?

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

So what they heck is wrong with the roof?

everything

[Acajack]

Le toit arrive à la fin de sa durée de vie utile.

[J.OT13]

Is it leaking? Is it at risk of collapsing?

And is it needed? Could these events have been held without a roof?

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Is it leaking? Is it at risk of collapsing?

And is it needed? Could these events have been held without a roof?

I believe it has thousands of tears olympic installations board will present their renovation requests to legault government this fall.

[blueandgoldguy]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The Parc Olympique just had its busiest weekend in the history of the complex with Metallica plus a Pride festival plus other stuff too.

More people went through there than even during the busiest weekends in 1976.

How many in total this past weekend?

[blueandgoldguy]

I wonder if they have thought of just getting rid of the roof and going with an outdoor stadium. Events would be at risk to the elements, but you could still run the outdoor portion of the venue 7 - 8 months of the year. Things like festivals might be at greater risk, but you could still have motocross, concerts, exhibition matches of various sports, Grey Cup every 6 - 8 years.

The Als are a tough sell for any potential owner with a dilapidated stadium, but the potential windfall of a Grey Cup every few years would provide some enticement for owners...probably not much, but more than the present.

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

I wonder if they have thought of just getting rid of the roof and going with an outdoor stadium. Events would be at risk to the elements, but you could still run the outdoor portion of the venue 7 - 8 months of the year. Things like festivals might be at greater risk, but you could still have motocross, concerts, exhibition matches of various sports, Grey Cup every 6 - 8 years.

The Als are a tough sell for any potential owner with a dilapidated stadium, but the potential windfall of a Grey Cup every few years would provide some enticement for owners...probably not much, but more than the present.

It somehow worked from 1977 to 1987 open air stadium

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

I wonder if they have thought of just getting rid of the roof and going with an outdoor stadium. Events would be at risk to the elements, but you could still run the outdoor portion of the venue 7 - 8 months of the year. Things like festivals might be at greater risk, but you could still have motocross, concerts, exhibition matches of various sports, Grey Cup every 6 - 8 years.

The Als are a tough sell for any potential owner with a dilapidated stadium, but the potential windfall of a Grey Cup every few years would provide some enticement for owners...probably not much, but more than the present.

That's my thought at this point. And fans are still covered, which is more than what can be said for most large stadiums in Canada.

If we get a windfall of money in 10, 20 years, or if costs go way down, then sure, we can consider a roof then. For now, I think it's time to shelve it, the roof I mean. Other renos I believe are worth the investment. Probably cheaper than demo.

[Acajack]

There is apparently stuff like the RV show, the boat show, the home show, etc. that brings in revenue and that they don't want to give up.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

How many in total this past weekend?

Sorry, I read that wrong. It was the single-day record. 88 884 people on site.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by thurmas

It somehow worked from 1977 to 1987 open air stadium

Then it had "permanent" tenants, now it doesn't. No roof is no option for the kind of events they will be able to get and it would sit empty half the year.

The best solution I can think of (as there is no perfect solution is for the Als and CFM to build and share a new stadium where they can each negotiate their own control. I would prefer a retractable dome and 30k or less seats.

Replace the Big O roof and technical ring so they can host winter events.

To save a couple hundred million, the new Als/CFM stadium would not have a roof but be winterized. Each team could start and end their seasons in the Big O. How is this better for Saputo, he has a stadium that he controls (despite the name) instead of the deal he has now.

Or even another option, CFM and the Als do a massive renovation to Saputo and negotiate with Parc Olympique relinquishing control and the teams begin and end their season next door at the Big O.

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There is apparently stuff like the RV show, the boat show, the home show, etc. that brings in revenue and that they don't want to give up.

Yeah but can't those be done at the convention centre? I mean makes no sense to spend 500 million on a roof for a boat and house show in February Montreal somehow was able to figure it out in the 80s

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by elly63

Then it had "permanent" tenants, now it doesn't. No roof is no option for the kind of events they will be able to get and it would sit empty half the year.

The best solution I can think of (as there is no perfect solution is for the Als and CFM to build and share a new stadium where they can each negotiate their own control. I would prefer a retractable dome and 30k or less seats.

Replace the Big O roof and technical ring so they can host winter events.

To save a couple hundred million, the new Als/CFM stadium would not have a roof but be winterized. Each team could start and end their seasons in the Big O. How is this better for Saputo, he has a stadium that he controls (despite the name) instead of the deal he has now.

Or even another option, CFM and the Als do a massive renovation to Saputo and negotiate with Parc Olympique relinquishing control and the teams begin and end their season next door at the Big O.

Construction costs are too high for that just a modest new stadium at northwestern University in Chicago 33,000 seats no roof will be $800 million usd. Likely will be cf montreal and alouettes maybe spending 200 million to knockdown one end of seating and make it retractable for cfl and maybe an additon on one grandstand for more suites at stade saputo

[elly63]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Construction costs are too high for that just a modest new stadium at northwestern University in Chicago 33,000 seats no roof will be $800 million usd. Likely will be cf montreal and alouettes maybe spending 200 million to knockdown one end of seating and make it retractable for cfl and maybe an additon on one grandstand for more suites at stade saputo

That same size stadium in Winnpeg and Regina cost $210 and $310 million in 2013 and 2017 Cdn dollars. Today that would be $270 and $400 million. That's a far cry from $800 million US, plus there would be 5000 or so less seats further lowering the cost. Also, I believe the roof at IG Field cost $40 million, which could have resulted in a 33k stadium costing $230 million had they left the roof out. Even, if my premise is naive add another $100 million and you could still have a 33k stadium at $350 million.

You still haven't factored that Saputo wants out of his own named stadium unless he can work a deal with Parc Olympique which is unlikely seeing they haven't done anything the whole time the Impact /CFM have been in existence.

It's going to take a lot more than adding an end of seating, Saputo stadium has to be winterized.

[thurmas]

Residential construction inflation in Canada is 51% since the pandemic doubt stadium construction costs would be lower.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Residential construction inflation in Canada is 51% since the pandemic doubt stadium construction costs would be lower.

I don't think that is a similar comparison.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Yeah but can't those be done at the convention centre? I mean makes no sense to spend 500 million on a roof for a boat and house show in February Montreal somehow was able to figure it out in the 80s

I don't think it's about the city of Montreal losing out on these things. It's about the Olympic complex that competes with other venues for these events.

[thurmas]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I don't think it's about the city of Montreal losing out on these things. It's about the Olympic complex that competes with other venues for these events.

Thats what the cost benefit analysis in the fall will be for costs and revenue are about even around 20 million a year currently the stadium makes a small profit. Is a 500 million roof worth that 1 million annual profit or is it better to lose 5 million a year on a open air big o ?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by thurmas

Thats what the cost benefit analysis in the fall will be for costs and revenue are about even around 20 million a year currently the stadium makes a small profit. Is a 500 million roof worth that 1 million annual profit or is it better to lose 5 million a year on a open air big o ?

Somehow, I think some of the allure of that cool looking roof (despite its issues) not being there would affect its place as a tourist attraction.