245-263 Rochester St | 29.2m | 9f | Approved

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by SL123

The comment by councillor Troster at the 55min Timestamp is quite interesting. Looks like councillors are realizing that they can no longer afford to bow down to NYMBYs legally.

Apparently there was a recent case where not a single lawyer was willing to work with the city because they knew they would lose the case at the land tribunal

Yeah, Leiper and Gower have been saying the same thing. Councillors do their best to try and make some changes to the proposal based on community feedback, but they can only do so much before time runs out. The Stittsville mid-rises surrounding seas of asphalt parking lots are case in point.

[SL123]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Yeah, Leiper and Gower have been saying the same thing. Councillors do their best to try and make some changes to the proposal based on community feedback, but they can only do so much before time runs out. The Stittsville mid-rises surrounding seas of asphalt parking lots are case in point.

Well I'm glad to see/hear this. The NYMBYs need to be reminded of the reality once in a while. They better find a better complaint than "my tomato plant wont grow" to stop a project bringing much needed housing options

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by SL123

Well I'm glad to see/hear this. The NYMBYs need to be reminded of the reality once in a while. They better find a better complaint than "my tomato plant wont grow" to stop a project bringing much needed housing options

Tbf, the tomato person wasn't against the project (Brigil towers at the old bus depot). They just wanted guarantees Brigil would keep their promises on green space and affordable housing.

The people today were straight up NIMBY.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by SL123

Well I'm glad to see/hear this. The NYMBYs need to be reminded of the reality once in a while. They better find a better complaint than "my tomato plant wont grow" to stop a project bringing much needed housing options

There has to be a balance. You don't want the city to cave to NIMBYs, but you also don't want the city have their hands tied so badly that the developers can build any cheap crap they want. Case in point is 360 Bobolink Ridge. Everyone on this forum is complaining about how it is surrounded a sea of asphalt parking, but the city has absolutely no power to insist on increased density (something Glen Gower was pushing for on that file).

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by SL123

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The comment by councillor Troster at the 55min Timestamp is quite interesting. Looks like councillors are realizing that they can no longer afford to bow down to NYMBYs legally.

Apparently there was a recent case where not a single lawyer was willing to work with the city because they knew they would lose the case at the land tribunal

To be really picky on this, my understanding is that no planning consultant would take on the file. The City only seems to have a couple of go to consultants locally who would take on these files and the City often has to go to out of town consultants on these files and invariably they lose.

[SL123]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

To be really picky on this, my understanding is that no planning consultant would take on the file. The City only seems to have a couple of go to consultants locally who would take on these files and the City often has to go to out of town consultants on these files and invariably they lose.

Well i'm not an expert but she clearly says the city could not find a LAWYER to defend the city's position because they all knew the city would lose the case

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by SL123

Well i'm not an expert but she clearly says the city could not find a LAWYER to defend the city's position because they all knew the city would lose the case

You are correct that she said lawyer but I believe it should have been a 'professional planner'.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

To be really picky on this, my understanding is that no planning consultant would take on the file. The City only seems to have a couple of go to consultants locally who would take on these files and the City often has to go to out of town consultants on these files and invariably they lose.

They said that about this one? Or were they referring to the Minto proposal Parkdale at Wellington West?

[J.OT13]

Approved by Council, no debate.

[RogueNacho]

Yay! Looking forward to this one. I generally prefer the designs and more human-scale of the mid-rises built in this city versus the high-rises. This one will be a great TOD addition to the area, complimenting the other mid-rises going up on Gladstone/Rochester.

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Tbf, the tomato person wasn't against the project (Brigil towers at the old bus depot). They just wanted guarantees Brigil would keep their promises on green space and affordable housing.

The people today were straight up NIMBY.

Mary Huang was her name and yes she is very much a nimby. As head of the centretown community association she signed a letter asking for 256 Catherine St project to be rejected....

So yeah, just straight up nimbyism from the core of our city and exactly why these community associations should be ignored.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Mary Huang was her name and yes she is very much a nimby. As head of the centretown community association she signed a letter asking for 256 Catherine St project to be rejected....

So yeah, just straight up nimbyism from the core of our city and exactly why these community associations should be ignored.

Has an Ottawa community association ever supported a development over 4 floors in height in the history of this city? Has an Ottawa community association ever had constructive and well thought out reasons to protest a development? Has an Ottawa community association ever had a member under the age of 55? I can't think of any examples.

[UrbOttawa]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Has an Ottawa community association ever supported a development over 4 floors in height in the history of this city? Has an Ottawa community association ever had constructive and well thought out reasons to protest a development? Has an Ottawa community association ever had a member under the age of 55? I can't think of any examples.

I remember during the Major Building/Moxy tower consultation they actually chimed in and supported the height and really liked the design, which was surprising. One of their concerns was ensuring it was built as rendered (outside of zibi does this ever happen in Ottawa? lol). They definitely weren't under 55 tho

[Boo Kay]

Land now up for sale…

https://realtor.ca/real-estate/26444...alsharelisting

Curious for the hive mind to weigh in … in instances like this, and another parcel down on Bell, and surely countless other examples, are the proposals and approvals just schemes to raise land value?

Perhaps construction will move forward with a new owner, but I’m surprised the listing doesn’t illustrate this impressive building, which was approved.

Seems like a terrible waste of council’s time if they don’t intend to build.

[cr872190]

Originally Posted by Boo Kay

Land now up for sale…

https://realtor.ca/real-estate/26444...alsharelisting

Curious for the hive mind to weigh in … in instances like this, and another parcel down on Bell, and surely countless other examples, are the proposals and approvals just schemes to raise land value?

Perhaps construction will move forward with a new owner, but I’m surprised the listing doesn’t illustrate this impressive building, which was approved.

Seems like a terrible waste of council’s time if they don’t intend to build.

If you read the listing its a Power of Sale. So this isn't an attempt at a flip for profit, but probably a forced sale from the bank.

[Boo Kay]

Up for sale again. Discounted by almost $2M from the previous ask of $5.6.

https://realtor.ca/real-estate/27059...alsharelisting

This proposal is such a promising addition to the neighborhood. Tired of seeing dead spaces and chain link fences in an area where so many people want to live…

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Boo Kay

Up for sale again. Discounted by almost $2M from the previous ask of $5.6.

https://realtor.ca/real-estate/27059...alsharelisting

This proposal is such a promising addition to the neighborhood. Tired of seeing dead spaces and chain link fences in an area where so many people want to live…

No shortage of these land assembiles gone bad for sale right now. Math still doesn't math at current costs and prices.

[CastlesintheSky]

Originally Posted by Boo Kay

Up for sale again. Discounted by almost $2M from the previous ask of $5.6.

https://realtor.ca/real-estate/27059...alsharelisting

This proposal is such a promising addition to the neighborhood. Tired of seeing dead spaces and chain link fences in an area where so many people want to live…

Walked by here last night, it is depressing indeed!
Hopefully with the discounted price, they can make a quick sale and someone can start with the build soon.

As you said, the area will be a hot spot in upcoming years with Rochester Heights adding a lot of density, plus just up the road is the new Library and Dream buildings.