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Sure. Being successful helps, is that a shocker to you? Life isn't fair.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the dysfunction of city governments (Chicago Public Schools, for example), which is a big reason why people leave cities.
It it wouldn't be so bad if people didn't leave and invested in education.
Seems like a beef from the subforums to me....and waiting for those rural family numbers.
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you dont see how being rich helps you with the public schools not being good issue?

PUBLIC schools?
Plenty of middle class chicagoans send their kids to Catholic schools which are not that expensive. Many (most?) simply just leave the city.
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It it wouldn't be so bad if people didn't leave and invested in education.
Seems like a beef from the subforums to me....and waiting for those rural family numbers.
Do you have kids? Nobody is conducting a science experiment with their kids' education. People few they are investing in education...with their tax dollars. If people feel their tax dollars are allocated correctly, people leave.

You'll be waiting quite a while from numbers from me, not my fault you can't grasp simple common sense...Look at the top 10 largest metros in the Country, relatively few people live in the rural outskirts of those metros.
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Plenty of middle class chicagoans send their kids to Catholic schools which are not that expensive.
If we sent our two kids to our local Catholic parish K-8 school, it would cost us over $21K, per the 2023 tuition schedule!


Yeah..... that ain't happening.....
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If we sent our two kids to our local Catholic parish K-8 school, it would cost us over $21K, per the 2023 tuition schedule!


Yeah..... that ain't happening.....
I don't know what school that your referencing, but I know a few families who send their kids to Brother Rice and Marist - they are very middle class families (trades people) and they seem to do it no problem. I'd have a hard time justifying $10K per student for K-8, but that seems fine for High School. The better option for most families is just leave the city where they don't have to deal with CPS.
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I'd have a hard time justifying $10K per student for K-8, but that seems fine for high school
Our local catholic high school, DePaul college prep, is $18K per student (and I'd have two there for 3 overlapping years).


Yeah...... That ain't happening......




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The better option for most families is just leave the city where they don't have to deal with CPS.
But then I would have to live in a freaking suburb!


Yeah...... That ain't happening.....
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Our local catholic high school, DePaul college prep, is $18K per student (and I'd have two there for 3 overlapping years).


Yeah...... That ain't happening......





But then I would have to live in a freaking suburb!


Yeah...... That ain't happening.....
I think you are smart enough to acknowledge you are the exception in terms of raising children, and most parents prioritize their child's education over walking to the drug store, right? Sounds like you're good rolling the dice with Chicago Public Schools, many many families are not willing to take that gamble; and if you're not willing to do Catholic/Private schools, you know your options.
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I think you are smart enough to acknowledge you are the exception in terms of raising children, and most parents prioritize their child's education over walking to the drug store, right?
I smart enough to acknowledge that I'm in very good company with all of my neighbor friends who send their kids to CPS as well.

I mean, enrollment at my kids' CPS school was burgeoning so badly that they had to build a $15M addition to it a couple years ago.



As for what most people do, just remember that Celine Dion outsold the Beastie Boys.

Conclusion: most people are apparently stupid. I should not do what most people do.
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I smart enough to acknowledge that I'm in very good company with all of my neighbor friends who send their kids to CPS as well.

I mean, enrollment at my kids' CPS school was burgeoning so badly that they had to build a $15M addition to it a couple years ago.



As for what most people do, just remember that Celine Dion outsold the Beastie Boys.

Conclusion: most people are apparently stupid. I should not do what most people do.
People can and do raise successful kids in Chicago, but I assume you are aware it's an uphill battle having to deal with CPS and the Teachers Union, who don't give a shit about the students. The biggest concern for me would be High School, not K-8.
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The biggest concern for me would be High School, not K-8.
Living in our neighborhood for half a decade now, I've met enough other parents who've had good experiences with their kids at Amundsen HS that I'm no longer sweating "The Big High School Question" ™
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Not sure why we're talking about schools here instead of housing. Yes rich exclusionary places with minimum lot sizes intended to keep the riffraff out will tend to have good schools, but the richest send their kids to boarding or day schools anyway...
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Not sure why we're talking about schools here instead of housing.
Because if you're a parent, "schools" are apparently the ONLY thing that you're allowed to consider when choosing a home/community to live in.

Fuck balance!

If you don't do absolutely everything within your power to get your children into the top 5% of schools nationally, then you are loser and a failure.

You should probably be castrated so that you don't breed any further.

God knows the world doesn't need anymore regular people.
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Because if you're a parent, "schools" are apparently the ONLY thing that you're allowed to consider when choosing a home/community to live in.

Fuck balance!

If you don't do absolutely everything within your power to get your children into the top 1% of schools nationally, then you are loser and a failure.
That's silly though. You can send your kids to Exeter from anywhere, if you truly care:-p

(As for us, our daughter is only 18 months, and we have the option of heavily discounted UC lab school at 6.5% of AGI, but we're still leaning towards CPS after talking to our adolescent therapist friend who sees a lot of UC Lab school students... Apparently when everyone's parent is an academic or doctor, you end up with an environment that's not necessarily great for kids well-being).
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Do you have kids? Nobody is conducting a science experiment with their kids' education. People few they are investing in education...with their tax dollars. If people feel their tax dollars are allocated correctly, people leave.
No, but my tax dollars do go towards the limited amount of schools here. If people are fleeing because of that, which I don't think I have seen before, they are only making matters worse. It's also a little odd if people leave areas simply because they feel their tax dollars aren't being allocated correctly. What makes more sense is if people are leaving because of "bad schools" but that also makes the problem worse, since they are no longer investing in that school district.
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You'll be waiting quite a while from numbers from me, not my fault you can't grasp simple common sense...Look at the top 10 largest metros in the Country, relatively few people live in the rural outskirts of those metros.
I'm in the outskirts of one of those... and while we don't have a huge population, there are families here. Zoom in on some of those areas and you'll see swings and other kid's stuff strewn about the yard, plus there are several families including multigenerational ones on my dirt road.
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As is often the case here, this thread is showing the limits of binary thinking, and I don't agree with how this discussion is being framed. People really think in terms of "house or location"? As if most people aren't considering both when they make their choice of where to live? There are a million shades of grey between hardcore urban living and exurban sprawl.

Streetcar suburban neighborhoods offer a solid mix of housing styles, including single family homes on decently big lots, with walkable commercial districts. Bethesda, MD is a great example of this, for sure, but there are so many other places like it, where people can have a house where their kids aren't cramped into a shoebox and have a yard to play in, but also can walk to the neighborhood commercial center for many of their needs.

My neighborhood in Los Angeles (Los Feliz) is like this. Plenty of people live in leafy, suburban-ish environments like this, but are only a 5-10 minute walk from the commercial district with restaurants, bars, a movie theater, bookstore, bakery, post office, etc. Neighborhood schools are also within walking distance. In this neighborhood, are people making a 'house vs location' decision, or are they looking at both variables? There are so many neighborhoods with these types of conditions. You might not be able to live an entirely car-free existence in a neighborhood like this, but you're also not going to be spending your life in your car like someone living in an exurban neighborhood where nothing is reachable by foot. Shades of grey, people.
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Because if you're a parent, "schools" are apparently the ONLY thing that you're allowed to consider when choosing a home/community to live in.

Fuck balance!

If you don't do absolutely everything within your power to get your children into the top 5% of schools nationally, then you are loser and a failure.

You should probably be castrated so that you don't breed any further.

God knows the world doesn't need anymore regular people.
You seem to get really defensive when your worldview is challenged. Everything in your life is 'normal and regular'...to you! Your view of normal, or even ideal, certainly isn't everyone elses. When Investing In Chicago shared his experience about growing up in NYC, you immediately discounted it as being an outlier experience. But your neighborhood in Chicago is THE perfect, creamy middle existence for regular joe six pack, right? Nevermind that someone from another city might think your experience is an outlier just how you think Washington Heights is.
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... Apparently when everyone's parent is an academic or doctor, you end up with an environment that's not necessarily great for kids well-being).
A neighbor of mine recently left a position at Payton specifically because he felt the environment there is so toxic for students. The mental health/attempted suicide situation is off the charts according to him because of all the pressure. He said he had no idea what the big magnet HS were really like before he started there two years ago and said he would now never consider sending his own kids to a school like that.

He took a new position at a regular old neighborhood HS.
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You seem to get really defensive when your worldview is challenged.
Nah, I'm just poking fun at "Investing in Chicago", who has in the past refered to people who aren't as wealthy as him as losers and failures.
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You seem to get really defensive when your worldview is challenged. Everything in your life is 'normal and regular'...to you! Your view of normal, or even ideal, certainly isn't everyone elses. When Investing In Chicago shared his experience about growing up in NYC, you immediately discounted it as being an outlier experience. But your neighborhood in Chicago is THE perfect, creamy middle existence for regular joe six pack, right? Nevermind that someone from another city might think your experience is an outlier just how you think Washington Heights is.
Investing thumbs his nose at Joe six pack lol and what Steely has talked about is way more obtainable for your average American.
Fleeing an area because one feels that their tax dollars aren't spent correctly is some top 5% ish.
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I have not yet read the thread, but I am going to predict irrational anger by many posters on this website that people like single family homes.

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