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Old Posted Apr 17, 2022, 12:18 PM
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Interesting that all of the homes will be built off-site and moved to their site after construction. I’ve seen individual homes done this way, but have anyone seen an entire development built using this technique?
Mattamy tried it about 15 years ago in the GTA but closed their factory down after a few years. The founders of Caivan are former Mattamy execs, so they must have some experience on what worked and didn't work.
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What could possibly go wrong?
Didn't we learn what happens when building in a flood plain in Kanata - how many $$$ millions did that cost us...

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Former city whistleblower speaks out about Barrhaven subdivision
Committee approves Caivan rezoning after hearing from Rideau Valley Conservation Authority

Kate Porter · CBC News
Posted: Apr 15, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: April 15




Developer Caivan Communities received approval from Ottawa's planning committee Thursday for a new subdivision in south-end Barrhaven, but only after councillors scrutinized the possible ramifications of building on what used to be a flood plain — and hearing strong concerns from a former whistleblower.

Caivan intends to build 942 new houses on 66.6 hectares east of Borrisokane Road and north of the Jock River. The company plans to build those 701 detached homes and 241 townhomes off-site at its new manufacturing facility nearby.

For its Barrhaven Conservancy development, Caivan applied to the Rideau Valley Conservation Authority (RVCA) in 2019 for a permit to "cut" land in some areas to create volume for water, and "fill" other areas and take them out of the flood plain so houses could be built.

At 407,000 cubic metres, it was the largest volume of fill the conservation authority had ever been asked to consider and "not a common" request, said the RVCA's director of science and planning, Glen McDonald.

In a rare appearance at committee, he sought to answer councillors' many questions about the history of the Jock River flood plain, and address concerns that have been raised at city hall over recent years.

McDonald assured the planning committee that the conservation authority and engineers had done their due diligence.

"Our executive committee would never have approved the application if they didn't have a high degree of confidence that the tests under the Conservation Authorities Act had been met," said McDonald.

In what Coun. Carol Anne Meehan called a "brave" move, city engineer Ted Cooper also gave a detailed presentation to committee as a private citizen to lay out his ongoing concerns about the whole process.

Cooper had previously raised concerns about the flood models for developments in Kanata near the Carp River and was proven right in 2008, only to be terminated by the city in 2013. He successfully fought and regained his job.

When it comes to Barrhaven's Jock River, Cooper is now concerned the Caivan development doesn't lay out the typical ponds to manage storm water and hold runoff, especially in spring.

Cooper suggested councillors not approve the rezoning until the RVCA finishes a sub-watershed study it has drafted.

"What the fill permit has done is rewarded the developer in [Barrhaven ward] with an unprecedented flood plain development opportunity, while placing residents and their properties in [Gloucester-South Nepean ward] at unknown risk," said Cooper, referring to homeowners downstream in the Heart's Desire neighbourhood.

Last summer that neighbourhood had expressed concern about the flood plain changes for the development, and said they hadn't been told about it.

Caivan's CEO declared no development would take place in a flood plain, because the land is no longer considered such.

Frank Cairo said 42 experts had looked at the file, and said he was disappointed it felt that the fill permit of a few years ago was being "re-litigated" Thursday.

"To allege that we haven't considered erosion, to allege that we haven't considered storm water management, to allege that we don't have a sub-watershed study, those are all complete, factually incorrect statements," said Cairo after Cooper's presentation.

Coun. Scott Moffatt co-chairs planning committee but is also on RVCA's board. After the meeting, he explained the municipality has no role in mapping flood plains or adjusting their contours.

"And while it does keep on coming with this application, council can only decide files based on the flood plain mapping that has been determined by the RVCA, and that's what we've done here."

The rezoning for the subdivision needs full council approval on April 27.

Meanwhile, Caivan has also filed an application to the city's planning department for 1,000 more homes for a future phase of the Conservancy development, on 67 hectares to the west side of Borrisokane Road closer to Highway 416.



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Old Posted Apr 17, 2022, 4:40 PM
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Interesting that all of the homes will be built off-site and moved to their site after construction. I’ve seen individual homes done this way, but have anyone seen an entire development built using this technique?
This is the site of their manufacturing facility:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=242818
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What could possibly go wrong?
Didn't we learn what happens when building in a flood plain in Kanata - how many $$$ millions did that cost us...
If I was buying a house, that flood plain mitigation work would be the signal for me to never consider the area. Mother nature has a way of making humans look like idiots when it comes to "flood mitigation"
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Nuvo in the Plateau with Agora and Centrale behind it.

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Nuvo in the Plateau with Agora and Centrale behind it.
Really don't like the look of that from street level. Having the entire side of Boul de Plateau be an endless wall of parked cars doesn't help either.
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Nuvo in the Plateau with Agora and Centrale behind it.
Ample parking day or night, people spouting "s'lut, neighbour".
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Nuvo in the Plateau with Agora and Centrale behind it.

"Density"
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I really like the medium density that is popping up all over the Plateau, but for two issues.

#1 Boulevard du Plateau needs to turn the street parking into a second lane on each side, with reengineered roundabouts, and desperately needs repaving.
#2 The distance on Allumettieres between Des Grives and Vanier is far too long without an entrance to the neighbourhood. This was a major planning oversight.

The problem I have with Nuvo specifically is the uniformity. Too much of all the same.

All in all I'm still really impressed by the neighbourhood and I love how effectively it will be served by the Tram when it arrives.
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"Density"
The bottom right is very European suburban. Wouldn't stacked townhouses fit as many units with private space for all and no sea of parking?
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It’s like someone took a giant lawnmower over one of those high-rise forests in China
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It’s like someone took a giant lawnmower over one of those high-rise forests in China
This. Why is everything exactly the same height?
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The Supreme Court has just denied the City's leave to appeal request for the Kanata Clublink golf course re-development
https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc...19461/index.do
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The Supreme Court has just denied the City's leave to appeal request for the Kanata Clublink golf course re-development
https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc...19461/index.do
Pardon my ignorance of legalese, but "denied", "leave", "appeal" and "request" just sow too much confusion in my simple brain.

So can the golf course be redeveloped or not?
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Pardon my ignorance of legalese, but "denied", "leave", "appeal" and "request" just sow too much confusion in my simple brain.

So can the golf course be redeveloped or not?
The denial means the previous court's decision holds, which was in favour of ClubLink and redevelopment. The agreement the city and the golf had to not redevelop the land is void.
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The denial means the previous court's decision holds, which was in favour of ClubLink and redevelopment. The agreement the city and the golf had to not redevelop the land is void.
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More density and and actual park land instead of a golf course for well off individuals who actually play golf.

I was on the City's side for this based on the agreement signed with Campeau, but I'm not opposed to the development on its own merits.
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Supreme Court won't hear city appeal of ClubLink decision
ClubLink won appeal in November that overturned lower court's decision

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Posted: Aug 04, 2022 11:52 AM ET | Last Updated: 1 hour ago


The Supreme Court of Canada will not hear the City of Ottawa's appeal of a decision to allow development on the land where the Kanata Golf and Country Club sits.

In November 2021, property owner ClubLink won its own appeal in the Ontario Superior Court that overturned a decision by a lower court that sided with the city, following a years-long battle to prevent ClubLink from turning the golf course into a housing development.

The city wanted to appeal to the Ontario Superior Court's decision, but on Thursday the Supreme Court ruled it would not hear it and awarded costs to ClubLink.

At the heart of the case are the facts of a 1981 agreement — which has been updated several times, including when ClubLink bought the property 23 years ago — between the former City of Kanata and the operator at the time.

That agreement called for 40 per cent of the area in Kanata Lakes to be protected as open space in perpetuity. It also laid out guidelines about land use and ownership if the original owner of the golf course decided to get out of the business.

As per its usual practice, the Supreme Court did not provide any details for its decision.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ourt-1.6541033
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More density and and actual park land instead of a golf course for well off individuals who actually play golf.

I was on the City's side for this based on the agreement signed with Campeau, but I'm not opposed to the development on its own merits.
I tend to agree. The loophole used to void the agreement Campeau signed with the City of Kanata sets a dangerous precedent.

As for the development, I am not opposed to them developing the golf course, but I don't like the current proposal. I would like to see more density on existing roads and the preservation of land not directly accessible by road as parks, instead of building more roads for low density sprawl.
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