US skyscraper milestone: closing in on 100 towers over 800' tall - Page 10

chris08876 · #**181** Posted **Dec 23, 2021, 10:12 PM**

Steely Dan · #**182** Posted **Dec 23, 2021, 10:14 PM**

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Miami will be getting its first super tall soon. This one is slated to rise and is happening.

Waldorf Astoria:

Credit: https://www.waldorfastoriadowntown.com/

and if that one is in fact the next proposal over 800 ft. in the nation to go U/C early in the new year (as is currently planned), it will knock Jersey City's 30 Hudson tower out of the top 100 in the nation.

Miami might finally be starting to make some real tower noise!

dc_denizen · #**183** Posted **Dec 23, 2021, 10:51 PM**

What’s with the stacked ugly boxes these days

JManc · #**184** Posted **Dec 23, 2021, 11:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by chris08876

Waldorf Astoria:

Credit: https://www.waldorfastoriadowntown.com/

That building is the architectural analogue to this:

llamaorama · #**185** Posted **Dec 23, 2021, 11:39 PM**

I wish this forum had a like button so I could like your post.

Steely Dan · #**186** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 1:48 PM**

While I understand some of the criticism for the extreme fad-ishness of "stacked boxes" designs, I can still credit the architects of Miami's new Waldorf-Astoria for at least trying to do something interesting vs. a completely phoned-in dud like Panorama Tower, Miam's current tallest.

Panorama Tower | 827 FT | 81 Floors | 2018

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_Tower

Without being able recall every single one in NYC, Panorama Tower might be my least favorite 800+ footer in the nation, not because it's some horrendously offensive architectural abomination, but because it's so damn generically blah and forgettable.

Even when I find a skyscraper to be actively ugly, like chicago's 311 S Wacker, I can still appreciate the fact that the architects we're at least trying to do something despite the fact that the result might not look all that good. But Panorama Tower looks like no one even tried, as if they took the most generic and unremarkable 20 story Florida beach-side condo building they could find and then just scaled it up 400%.

When you're designing a new tallest building for a city, you simply have to try harder than that. And as fad-ish as the new stacked boxes Waldorf-Astoria design is, I'd still MUCH rather have that as my city's tallest building than the nation's tallest generic condo tower.

chris08876 · #**187** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 3:55 PM**

^^^

Are you a fan of the Aston Martin Residences u/c?

MIAMI | Aston Martin Residences | 817 FT | 70 FLOORS

• Video Link

MolsonExport · #**188** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 6:37 PM**

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This list is fucking insane! Insane!!! WOW!

proghousehead · #**189** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 6:39 PM**

Jersey City is the most underrated city in the country. Consequence of being adjacent to and a 5 minute subway ride from. Manhattan, for better or worse.

tech12 · #**190** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by proghousehead

Jersey City is the most underrated city in the country. Consequence of being adjacent to and a 5 minute subway ride from. Manhattan, for better or worse.

Jersey City ad NYC are basically the same city. Metro areas/urban areas and all that...

But yeah it has an impressive skyline.

dubu · #**191** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 8:03 PM**

With a city with many skyscrapers, I think a weird building surrounded by ugly buildings is like saying what to you got to loose. Its like a weird art piece. I wouldn't live there, I just like how its something interesting.

Labtec · #**192** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 8:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

While I understand some of the criticism for the extreme fad-ishness of "stacked boxes" designs, I can still credit the architects of Miami's new Waldorf-Astoria for at least trying to do something interesting vs. a completely phoned-in dud like Panorama Tower, Miam's current tallest.

Panorama Tower | 827 FT | 81 Floors | 2018

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_Tower

Without being able recall every single one in NYC, Panorama Tower might be my least favorite 800+ footer in the nation, not because it's some horrendously offensive architectural abomination, but because it's so damn generically blah and forgettable.

Even when I find a skyscraper to be actively ugly, like chicago's 311 S Wacker, I can still appreciate the fact that the architects we're at least trying to do something despite the fact that the result might not look all that good. But Panorama Tower looks like no one even tried, as if they took the most generic and unremarkable 20 story Florida beach-side condo building they could find and then just scaled it up 400%.

When you're designing a new tallest building for a city, you simply have to try harder than that. And as fad-ish as the new stacked boxes Waldorf-Astoria design is, I'd still MUCH rather have that as my city's tallest building than the nation's tallest generic condo tower.

I agree, at least they're trying to do something different. The skyline is extensive but every time I visit Miami and go downtown or drive from south beach to bal harbour, I go meh at the building designs... all the timeshare/condos looking the same.

Quixote · #**193** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 8:55 PM**

The trajectory of LA skyscraperdom will likely resemble Toronto’s the closest. Like Toronto, LA’s skyline is anchored by a core of top-heavy office towers and is increasingly being populated with nondescript residential glass boxes adorned with balconies… although many of the latest proposals have more sophisticated designs. And fortunately, LA only needs about half a dozen (I believe we already have that in the way of proposed/approved developments) in the 650+ range to shift the skyline’s visual center of gravity away from the core.

It’s much more challenging to visually alter the Toronto skyline given the prominence (height and centrality) of the CN Tower. I view it as being akin to what the Chicago Spire would’ve done for the Chicago skyline, only Chicago’s skyline was already well-balanced with Sears/Willis and JHC.

Quixote · #**194** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 9:19 PM**

The LA skyline's top-heaviness and late 20th-century office tower cluster. The concentration of 21st century residential high-rises in South Park, while expanding the skyline silhouette, is by no means transformative.

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Taken December 15, 2021. Pico Fig Hotel is a nice addition.

This 742-footer was recently approved by the City Council. If built as proposed, it would fill in about 25% of the gap you see from that angle above.

https://urbanize.city/la/post/finall...s-city-council

Quixote · #**195** Posted **Dec 24, 2021, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Highrise construction doesn't really seem related to land values, or desirability. It's more cultural/regulatory environment.

And just a subjective observation, but to me, living in a highrise in LA largely defeats the purpose of living in LA. The inside-outside living, the peacefulness, the inward-living, etc. It isn't a communitarian environment, at least not for those who can afford otherwise.

The most elite of the elite will always choose to reside in the toniest parts of the legacy Westside communities. But single-family homes have now become out of reach for the majority of upper-middle-class, white-collar households. Paying astronomically high prices per square foot for a nondescript stucco box on a street lined with utility poles and few trees sounds less appealing than a shiny new high-rise condo with views, in-house amenities, a lot of things to see and do within walking distance, and convenient rail to points of interest.

LA's changing, albeit slower than us pro-urbanism folk would like. I can foresee a future in which both high-end condo and single-family home ownerships are equally valued, with the choice between the two boiling down to mere preference.

Steely Dan · #**196** Posted **Dec 25, 2021, 4:06 AM**

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Are you a fan of the Aston Martin Residences u/c?

The top 25% has some wonkiness that I don't fully understand, but the overall sail-inspired form is pretty cool and it certainly earns points for trying to be something.

WAY better than Panorama Tower, that's for sure.

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Jersey City ad NYC are basically the same city. Metro areas/urban areas and all that...

Yep, Hudson County is the de facto 6th borough.

And disregarding political lines, it's really the 5th.

dave8721 · #**197** Posted **Dec 25, 2021, 4:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

While I understand some of the criticism for the extreme fad-ishness of "stacked boxes" designs, I can still credit the architects of Miami's new Waldorf-Astoria for at least trying to do something interesting vs. a completely phoned-in dud like Panorama Tower, Miam's current tallest.

Without being able recall every single one in NYC, Panorama Tower might be my least favorite 800+ footer in the nation, not because it's some horrendously offensive architectural abomination, but because it's so damn generically blah and forgettable.

Even when I find a skyscraper to be actively ugly, like chicago's 311 S Wacker, I can still appreciate the fact that the architects we're at least trying to do something despite the fact that the result might not look all that good. But Panorama Tower looks like no one even tried, as if they took the most generic and unremarkable 20 story Florida beach-side condo building they could find and then just scaled it up 400%.

When you're designing a new tallest building for a city, you simply have to try harder than that. And as fad-ish as the new stacked boxes Waldorf-Astoria design is, I'd still MUCH rather have that as my city's tallest building than the nation's tallest generic condo tower.

I sure hope Waldorf-Astoria gets built, can you image these horible bland 848-foot monstrosities being the Miami's next new tallest?:
https://floridayimby.com/2021/08/det...l-complex.html

LA21st · #**198** Posted **Dec 25, 2021, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Quixote

The LA skyline's top-heaviness and late 20th-century office tower cluster. The concentration of 21st century residential high-rises in South Park, while expanding the skyline silhouette, is by no means transformative.

This 742-footer was recently approved by the City Council. If built as proposed, it would fill in about 25% of the gap you see from that angle above.

https://urbanize.city/la/post/finall...s-city-council

There's also a good amount of 50 story buildings proposed in south park east of that cluster in the photo.

Steely Dan · #**199** Posted **Dec 27, 2021, 3:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by dave8721

I sure hope Waldorf-Astoria gets built, can you image these horible bland 848-foot monstrosities being the Miami's next new tallest?:
https://floridayimby.com/2021/08/det...l-complex.html

Yeah, those don't look all that great.

I'd certainly take the stacked boxes over those.

Manitopiaaa · #**200** Posted **Dec 27, 2021, 11:34 PM**

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I remember 15 years ago being a little snot-nosed teenager and reading in awe about Hong Kong's 5 supertalls, and then 6 with the 1,588' International Commerce Centre (which I considered impossibly high). It seemed like an insurmountable lead (New York was stuck at 2 until 2009 of all years, paradoxically, started the current boom).

And yet Hong Kong's really gone stagnant, building nothing tall since (though a fair number of residential 200ms). Seems like the Chinese just sucked the life out of that city so they could give the wealth and momentum to Shenzhen and Guangzhou.

I don't really want to compare New York to other cities though. I'd prefer New York focus on itself. Would love to see 50 supertalls in 25 years and 100 supertalls in my lifetime. That would be incredible!

That's not too hard to envision. 25 by 2030 is basically guaranteed given how close New York City is, and what's in the pipeline. If everything below were finished that'd be 34, and that's unlikely. But supertalls announced through 2025 could be done by 2030, so 30+ is also very possible.

(Hopefully I'm not missing anything)

Complete/Topped Out (18)

One World Trade Center - 1,776
Central Park Tower - 1,550
111 West 57th - 1,428'
One Vanderbilt - 1,401'
432 Park Avenue - 1,397'
30 Hudson Yards - 1,270'
Empire State Building - 1,250'
Bank of America Tower - 1,200'
Three World Trade Center - 1,079'
Brooklyn Tower - 1,073'
53W53 - 1,050'
Chrysler Building - 1,046'
New York Times Building - 1,046'
The Spiral - 1,041'
50 Hudson Yards - 1,011'
One57 - 1,004'
35 Hudson Yards - 1,000'
One Manhattan West - 996'

Under Construction (2)

262 Fifth Avenue - 1,011'
270 Park Avenue - 1,388'

Actively In Pipeline (4)

Penn15 - 1,270'
41-47 West 57th Street - 1,100'
175 Park Avenue - 1,646'
343 Madison Avenue - 1,050'

Dark Horses/Early Stage (5)

247 Cherry - 1,013'
350 Park Avenue - 1,450'
Affirmation Tower - 1,663'
Two World Trade Center - 1,323'
740 Eight Avenue - 1,120'

Stale Proposals/On Hold/Uncertain Future (5)

45 Broad Street - 1,200'
80 South Street - 1,436'
520 Fifth Avenue - 995'
Three Hudson Boulevard - 987'
Tower Fifth - 1,556'

Updating this post now with 570 Fifth Avenue:

Actively In Pipeline (now *5*)
+ 570 Fifth Avenue - 1,101'

Changes:
175 Park Avenue - 1,646' > 1,575'
262 Fifth Avenue - 1,011' > 1,043'