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Troubadour
Oct 27, 2010, 9:33 PM
Beekman should become the new standard for high-rise architecture in NYC. There should be hundreds of buildings of varying heights and colors designed along its principles.

CHAPINM1
Oct 27, 2010, 10:52 PM
So when is this building ready for occupancy? I want to see this beauty with some life in it.

I will be so jealous of the residents with views torward the WTC site. This tower will offer stunning views of the new WTC going up!!!

Stratosphere
Oct 27, 2010, 11:54 PM
The tower would be equally spectacular if all the sides were flat.
I think if all sides had that water-ripple effect, it would be more spectacular. Flat sides would turn it into another box, which is abundant in NYC.

NYguy
Oct 28, 2010, 1:55 PM
http://www.dnainfo.com/20101027/downtown/city-delays-opening-sixth-grade-at-spruce-street-school-for-four-years

City Delays Opening Sixth Grade at Spruce Street School For Four Years
Spruce's sixth grade will not open until 2015, the Department of Education said this week.

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October 27, 2010
By Julie Shapiro

The Spruce Street School will not launch its sixth grade until 2015, the Department of Education said this week, and local parents are furious.

The DOE had previously promised to start sixth-grade classes at Spruce in 2011, when the school moves into its permanent home at the base of Frank Gehry’s Beekman Tower. Spruce started with just kindergarten classes in a temporary space last year and is slated to eventually grow into a full K-8.

But now parents are worried that Spruce’s middle school will never have room to open. They fear that the city will pack extra elementary students into Spruce’s new building over the next several years as a way of alleviating school overcrowding downtown, which could fill up the building well before 2015.

"The longer it takes for the sixth grade to start, the greater the chance the DOE takes away our middle school," said Learan Kahanov, a parent at the Spruce Street School. "When the DOE says they’re going to do it later, they don’t do it later."

Danielle Elder, co-president of Spruce’s PTA, said there is no reason to delay opening the school’s sixth grade.

"The seats are built," Elder said at a Community Board 1 meeting Tuesday. "The Gehry tower is going to be open. Does it make sense for the classrooms to sit empty?"

CB1 unanimously passed a resolution demanding that the DOE "honor its past promises to the community" and open the sixth grade next fall.

A Department of Education spokesman did not comment on the reason for the city’s decision.

In its resolution on Tuesday, Community Board 1 said the DOE is arguing that downtown does not need any more middle school seats right now, because the new sixth grade at P.S./I.S. 276 did not fill up this year. That's the explanation DOE officials gave to Spruce's School Leadership Team last week, several parents said.

P.S./I.S. 276, which opened last month in Battery Park City, can hold at least 75 students per grade but enrolled just 60 sixth graders in its inaugural year.

The reason for the school's under-enrollment, parents said, is not because there is no demand for the seats, but rather many people did not know the school was opening. Incoming sixth graders could not apply during the regular middle school choice process, but had to apply later during a process specifically for new schools.

Concerned parents plan to raise the issue of Spruce’s middle school at a meeting Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver is hosting with DOE officials Thursday afternoon.

tommaso
Oct 29, 2010, 5:38 AM
http://www.dnainfo.com/20101027/downtown/city-delays-opening-sixth-grade-at-spruce-street-school-for-four-years

City Delays Opening Sixth Grade at Spruce Street School For Four Years
Spruce's sixth grade will not open until 2015, the Department of Education said this week.

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October 27, 2010
By Julie Shapiro

I would be disappointed if I planned to send my 6th grader there next year. We'll see how that issues resolves itself.

Sandy
Nov 1, 2010, 3:10 PM
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NYguy
Nov 1, 2010, 7:51 PM
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hunser
Nov 1, 2010, 9:16 PM
apparently beekman's final height is 870ft. see also here: http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/?do=building&building_id=699
the heighest occupied floor: 827ft.

NYCLuver
Nov 1, 2010, 10:40 PM
apparently beekman's final height is 870ft. see also here: http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/?do=building&building_id=699
the heighest occupied floor: 827ft.

It says Height to Tip... 889.99?

CoolCzech
Nov 2, 2010, 12:14 AM
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What a contrast, between the Verizon and the brilliance of the Beekman! Too bad the recession put the Verizon reclad on hold.

hunser
Nov 2, 2010, 11:31 AM
It says Height to Tip... 889.99?

the ssc forumer Vito Corleone (who's got the elevation drawings) says the following:


Just to clarify things: The height to the top of the parapet wall is 264.15 m. To the top of the cooling tower bulkhead it is 265.18 m. The height of 271.27 m. is to the tip of the lightning rod, which is not included in the official height. The official height of the building should read 265.18 m.

that's why ctbuh lists the beekman as 870ft.

NYguy
Nov 2, 2010, 2:41 PM
http://web.me.com/broadsheet/Broadsheet/Home/Entries/2010/11/2_NOVEMBER_2%2C_2010.html

Community Board Passes Resolution Demanding 6th Grade
Department of Education Says It's Not Needed until 2015,
Parents Point to Numbers that Say Otherwise

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November 2, 2010

At its October meeting, Community Board 1 (CB1) unanimously passed a resolution demanding a sixth grade class at P.S. 397, the Spruce Street School, when it opens at the Beekman Tower next fall. The board recently learned that the New York City Department of Education (DOE) will not be opening a sixth grade as planned. Danielle Elder, parent and co-president of the Spruce Street School PTA, said the failure to open a sixth grade is a precursor to not opening a middle school. As a parent, she said, "I'm worried that the promise of my child's middle school will be broken."

School overcrowding and shortages of elementary school seats has been an issue for several years, as statistical projections developed by Eric Greenleaf (the only Lower Manhattan representative on the Community Education Council for District 2) suggest.

Mr. Greenleaf told the Broadsheet afterward, "this community was promised a middle school and now DOE is trying to back out of that deal. A bargain was struck almost ten years ago, when the City wanted to upzone two plots of land along West Street for massive new apartment towers." (Those plans eventually resulted in the new buildings above Whole Foods and the Manhattan Youth Community Center.) "We argued that huge buildings like these would crowd our already-packed schools. So the Bloomberg administration promised to build a new kindergarten-through-eight school on the East Side of Lower Manhattan, which became the Spruce Street School, and have it open when the towers were ready for occupancy. After we dropped our opposition to the buildings, the DOE then tried to kill the plans for the Spruce Street School completely. Today, we're still waiting for the K-8 school, which is years behind schedule, even though the apartment buildings opened right on time in 2008, and now DOE is trying to renege on the middle-school part of their promise."

However, Jack Zarin-Rosenfeld, deputy press secretary for the DOE, said "our current plan is to have a sixth grade ready for Spruce Street in 2015, the year their current students first reach that grade level. In the meantime we are actively searching for a site for a new elementary school building in Lower Manhattan."

Dianne Renzulli

hunser
Nov 3, 2010, 10:12 AM
nyguy, should we change the title? after all we got reliable sources stating that the final height is 870ft / 265m. [btw the thread title should have been 876ft instead of 867ft lol.]

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isaidso
Nov 3, 2010, 10:52 AM
One of the best towers to get built in the last 10 years. Wonderful!

sterlippo1
Nov 3, 2010, 10:56 AM
can anyone tell me what the name is of the street where those old brick flats are? is that the south street seaport area? i looked up Aerosoles and they give 3 midtown locations and that certainly isnt midtown

Obey
Nov 3, 2010, 1:38 PM
can anyone tell me what the name is of the street where those old brick flats are? is that the south street seaport area? i looked up Aerosoles and they give 3 midtown locations and that certainly isnt midtown

Its the South Street area. I hate the chain stores that have taken over...

Fabb
Nov 3, 2010, 1:51 PM
:hi: Sandy !



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NYguy
Nov 3, 2010, 2:03 PM
nyguy, should we change the title? after all we got reliable sources stating that the final height is 870ft / 265m.

Sounds good enough.

Buck
Nov 4, 2010, 2:46 PM
I've been away for a while and didn't realize this was finished. It's stunning.

BG918
Nov 4, 2010, 2:50 PM
Wow, this is a fantastic addition for NYC!

pj3000
Nov 4, 2010, 4:44 PM
What a contrast, between the Verizon and the brilliance of the Beekman! Too bad the recession put the Verizon reclad on hold.

Quite a contrast it is... but that Verizon building has never really bothered me all that much. Sure it's ugly and bland... but it was built as a telephone switch facility. It's utilitarian and represents a style period for functionality, like it or not. Really, the only side which is really that bad is the east side with the bare vertical wall (unfortunately that side faces the Bklyn Bridge). The 70s were obviously a bad period for aesthetics when it came to design... too many drugs during the era, I suppose... but the era is part of our architectural history. It just seems that recladding anything that is now considered "ugly" with a glass curtain-wall to make it more visually appealing is a bit disingenuous, in my opinion.

NYguy
Nov 4, 2010, 6:28 PM
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CoolCzech
Nov 5, 2010, 12:51 AM
^I know it's been said, many times, many ways...

It's a work of art. Pure and simple: a giant inhabitable sculpture. Bravo.

NYguy
Nov 5, 2010, 9:50 PM
Earlier today (November 5, 2010)

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Nov 14, 2010, 8:52 PM
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Nov 15, 2010, 1:45 AM
today ^^

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patriotizzy
Nov 15, 2010, 6:55 PM
^^^ great pictures. You uploaded the best last :)

hunser
Nov 15, 2010, 7:14 PM
the hoist is still there! :hell: can't wait till it's finally gone...

nim3
Nov 17, 2010, 1:10 AM
i just got back from a visit to lower mannhatan and wow the beekman really stands out in the skyline!:tup: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

RoldanTTLB
Nov 17, 2010, 6:19 PM
I know how badly everyone here loves photos of this thing, so here you go:

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arkitekte
Nov 17, 2010, 10:31 PM
I can't wait to get to NY to see this in person.

Obey
Nov 18, 2010, 1:40 AM
Go away hoist. Building lights are now lighting up the skyline not the weak construction lights.

hunser
Nov 19, 2010, 8:40 PM
http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/beekman_tower_8_spruce_83718.aspx

*The following information was last updated on November 19, 2010.

* Curtain wall installation was completed in early Sept. 2010
* Finishing work on the building's school is underway since 2009
* The superstructure topped out at 76 stories in November 2009
* Full sidewalk closures on Spruce and Beekman Streets beside the work site

Obey
Nov 20, 2010, 2:39 AM
I heard this is now called 'New York by Gehry' according to Curbed NY

NYguy
Nov 20, 2010, 2:58 PM
I heard this is now called 'New York by Gehry' according to Curbed NY

Yeah, I read that the other day, and I think that's only half the name. They can call it whatever they want, as long as they call it "beautiful". It's time for Gehry to get a stand-out skyscraper in Midtown.

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Nov 21, 2010, 8:29 PM
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Nov 22, 2010, 2:43 AM
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NYguy
Nov 23, 2010, 3:23 PM
Quotes from a piece on the building...

http://www.observer.com/2010/real-estate/cheek-cheek-frank-gehry
Cheek to Cheek With Frank Gehry

By Chloe Malle
November 22, 2010

"Where would you like to go?" a construction worker asked. Everyone was in hard hats.

"Uh, we're going to 37, take us to—" someone started to say.

"Heaven!" Frank Gehry chimed in. "We'd like to go to heaven. Press heaven!"

As the recently installed elevator at 8 Spruce Street floated soundlessly upward, Mr. Gehry, the building's architect, stood facing the closed doors, his hands laced together in front of him.

Joe Rechichi, a project manager with developer Forest City Ratner; Mr. Gehry's chief of staff, Meaghan Lloyd; his daughter, Brina Gehry; his son-in-law, Daniel; and a construction worker on the 76-story building—the tallest downtown—were along for the ride.

"Heaven, I'm in heaven, and dah dah ... Who's that?" Mr. Gehry asked the group.

"Fred Astaire," answered Ms. Lloyd.

"Yes, you're right, it was him." He continued humming the Irving Berlin melody.

The doors opened at the 37th floor. Mr. Rechichi shepherded everyone to what will soon become the leasing office for the 903 luxury rentals available in early 2011. Built by developer Bruce Ratner's conglomerate, Mr. Gehry's first residential highrise is a 1.1 million-square-foot silver taffeta tower of rippling Jenga blocks. In an unusual fusion of the public and private sectors, the tower includes, from the bottom up, an underground car park, a 25,000-square-foot hospital and a five-story public elementary school in the brick-clad base.

Striding across the raw concrete floors, Mr. Gehry gravitated toward a curve in the bay window. At about 400 feet above the East River, the architect was cheek to cheek with the wispy early morning clouds. Northward, through the tall glass panes, were the tops of Cass Gilbert's 1913 Woolworth Building and McKim, Mead and White's 1915 Municipal Building. Below, the Brooklyn Bridge Expressway uncoiled like a silver Christmas bow.

Mr. Gehry turned toward the group, the left side of his mouth curled with the slightest bit of mischief, "Well, these are good views, right?"

Swiveling back toward the window, he added, "If you have to live in New York ..."

...When the leasing office opens in January, Mary Ann Tighe, chairwoman of the powerful Real Estate Board of New York, suggested the building's apartments will likely be the most expensive rentals downtown. Although she predicts the building will "be a triumph," other industry insiders are more skeptical. "I like the developer, but it's always very tough to make something successful at the high-end level with a public school in the building," Donald Trump said Monday.

...The building is 1 foot taller than the Trump World Tower, which had been the city's tallest residential tower. "I told Bruce to make it a foot lower so we don't have to deal with him [Trump]," Mr. Gehry said. "You know, he asked me to do a project for him and I turned him down; and then I went to a thing for Peter Arnell, something for the Fire Department, and Trump was seated next to me because he's a friend of Peter's. And he turned his back to me. I tried to shake his hand and he said, 'I don't talk to people like you.' So he doesn't talk to me."

"Well, it's his loss, right?" Mr. Rechichi, the project manager, soothed.

"I don't care." Mr. Gehry shrugged irreverently. After several seconds of silence, he said quietly, "I don't like his hairdo anyway."

Mr. Trump replied bluntly, "Maybe I just don't find him interesting. It doesn't mean I don't like him." He also said he does not know what project of his Mr. Gehry might have turned down. "I really only like one job he has done—that was in Balboa. I'm not a fan of much of his work, although he's a darling."

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Back at Eight Spruce, Mr. Rechichi uncovered the freshly installed lobby desk for Mr. Gehry's approval. Inside the foyer, Mr. Gehry gestured past the revolving doors, which were in place but awaiting the glass panes. "This is going to be a park," he said proudly, referring to the throughway plaza connecting Beekman and Spruce streets.

He pointed through the porte-cochere currently configured as construction headquarters with a makeshift, plywood tool shed bearing graffiti in green spray paint: "Go Jets" and, on the opposite side, "Kill Dolphins."

"I haven't been here for a few weeks. My guys are here, but they try to keep me out because I always come and try to tweak things at the last minute."

The lobby desk is a white concrete jigsaw puzzle the color and heft of Mount Rushmore. Each piece was carved in Los Angeles and shipped cross-country to be assembled on-site, replete with benches carved out of the concrete, dressed with cushions of supple tan leather the color of Earl Grey tea lightened with a drop of milk. Bending and rippling like the carats of an unevenly cut stone, the Gaudi folds of the desk resemble an artfully crumpled sheet of paper. Inspired by a letter from Marge Simpson? Mr. Gehry smiled. "Well, sure, but it's a feeling." He ran his hand across the angled surface, palm down, like a jockey caressing his steed. He sighed as a concession. "We like to get a little artsy sometimes."

Mr. Gehry took a tour around the back of the desks, inspecting the details. "The background is wood, I hope, I think. Hey, Joe, the wall behind the desk is wood, right?" Mr. Rechichi nodded. Some of the pale gold Douglas Fir has already been installed in the mail room next door.

"You know what this wood is, right? It's Disney Hall. And you know how I got them to use it in Disney Hall?" He leaned forward slightly before adding confidentially, "Because Douglas Fir is considered cheap, the fancy board members at Disney said, 'Oh, no, you can't use cheap wood.' So I made panels and I made all the fancy woods that are expensive and I brought a cello in and I laid it against the wall and they all said, 'Ohhh, O.K.'"

In a studio apartment on the 37th floor, Mr. Gehry inspected the kitchen fixtures and door handles, which he designed.

"I'm home," he grinned.

Again, he gravitated toward the bay window. "Look! I just realized it—you can see the outer harbor! That's the horizon out there, and the sea. You can see Connecticut. Sarah Palin could see China!" He stood facing the window, mesmerized like a latter-day Christopher Columbus.

NYguy
Nov 24, 2010, 4:54 PM
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NYguy
Nov 26, 2010, 6:35 AM
Vivienne Gucwa (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vivnsect/5207738604/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5207738604_4f792da358_o.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5207127671_6aed5ba5b1_o.jpg

whiteford
Nov 26, 2010, 7:46 AM
Manhattan is like a great skyscraper museum, filled with priceless works of art. and this sculpture, it is a modern masterpiece, exquisite, fine and to be lusted for. a priceless work of art that has no place being exhibited in any other gallery. bravo!:worship:

OneWorldTradeCenter
Nov 26, 2010, 2:46 PM
:previous: Lovely shots!

sterlippo1
Nov 26, 2010, 4:19 PM
Manhattan is like a great skyscraper museum, filled with priceless works of art. and this sculpture, it is a modern masterpiece, exquisite, fine and to be lusted for. a priceless work of art that has no place being exhibited in any other gallery. bravo!:worship:

^ This:tup:

hunser
Nov 29, 2010, 1:09 PM
ADW44 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11084844@N08/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5212985861_6422ca12ea_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5043/5214139821_77900dfe65_b.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5217034280_c2dee53645_b.jpg
BillRhodesPhoto (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ashevillein/5217034280/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

NYguy
Nov 29, 2010, 4:40 PM
pascal.porta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/piranjah/5211877262/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5211877262_875f6de558_o.jpg

Obey
Nov 29, 2010, 10:03 PM
ADW44 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11084844@N08/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5212985861_6422ca12ea_b.jpg


This is a beautiful photo.

NYguy
Nov 30, 2010, 3:07 PM
Rafakoy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/altamiranopics/5216652541/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5216652541_4ea9942a07_o.jpg

NYguy
Dec 6, 2010, 5:16 PM
Several seconds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/severalseconds/4972997746/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4972997746_dc8ef33ed0_b.jpg



http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4972997746_2b5c6b4d2f_o.jpg

Alliance
Dec 10, 2010, 4:09 AM
James Gardner: Gehry undone
Spruce Street building billows to nowhere
December 01, 2010 07:00AM
The Real Deal | New York
By James Gardner

"Why is it that the nearly completed 8 Spruce Street, a silvery pylon formerly known as the Beekman Tower, seems so thoroughly sad and unimpressive? Say what you will about Frank Gehry's previous projects; at least they were never dull -- until now. His latest effort, which bids fair to be the tallest residential tower in the city, as well as the eighth-tallest building in the city, beetles above the main campus of Pace University and glowers across the expanse of City Hall Park over at the Woolworth Building..."

Full article (http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/james-gardner-gehry-undone)

___________________________

My favorite quote? "New York City is where the world's most daring architects come to complete their dullest projects." Course the flaw with this is I don't think the "starchitects" are daring at all.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Dec 10, 2010, 4:15 AM
James Gardner: Gehry undone
Spruce Street building billows to nowhere
December 01, 2010 07:00AM
The Real Deal | New York
By James Gardner

"Why is it that the nearly completed 8 Spruce Street, a silvery pylon formerly known as the Beekman Tower, seems so thoroughly sad and unimpressive? Say what you will about Frank Gehry's previous projects; at least they were never dull -- until now. His latest effort, which bids fair to be the tallest residential tower in the city, as well as the eighth-tallest building in the city, beetles above the main campus of Pace University and glowers across the expanse of City Hall Park over at the Woolworth Building..."

Full article (http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/james-gardner-gehry-undone)

___________________________

My favorite quote? "New York City is where the world's most daring architects come to complete their dullest projects." Course the flaw with this is I don't think the "starchitects" are daring at all.

ummm....what...? has this guy seen the tower?

Dac150
Dec 10, 2010, 4:40 AM
ummm....what...? has this guy seen the tower?

Anything of significance is always subject to mixed reviews. You’re going to encounter your share of critics regardless.

pico44
Dec 10, 2010, 7:05 AM
James Gardner: Gehry undone
Spruce Street building billows to nowhere
December 01, 2010 07:00AM
The Real Deal | New York
By James Gardner

"Why is it that the nearly completed 8 Spruce Street, a silvery pylon formerly known as the Beekman Tower, seems so thoroughly sad and unimpressive? Say what you will about Frank Gehry's previous projects; at least they were never dull -- until now. His latest effort, which bids fair to be the tallest residential tower in the city, as well as the eighth-tallest building in the city, beetles above the main campus of Pace University and glowers across the expanse of City Hall Park over at the Woolworth Building..."

Full article (http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/james-gardner-gehry-undone)

___________________________

My favorite quote? "New York City is where the world's most daring architects come to complete their dullest projects." Course the flaw with this is I don't think the "starchitects" are daring at all.




oh great, alliance is back






http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/technology/sarcasm.jpg



James Gardner is an idiot. He lost his penis in the war and wastes his and everybody else's time hating everything that crosses his path. You guys would be great friends.

NYguy
Dec 10, 2010, 11:24 AM
ummm....what...? has this guy seen the tower?

Just wants attention, which he gets for a little while (today at least)

http://www.observer.com/2010/real-estate/new-york-place-where-architects-dreams-come-die
New York: The Place Where Architects' Dreams Come to Die?

http://www.observer.com/files/full/585px-Gehry_Beekman_Tower_Brooklyn_Bridge.jpg

By Matt Chaban
December 9, 2010

We may have called Frank Gehry's 8 Spruce Street, née the Beekman Tower, the best building of the year, but Real Deal architecture critic James Gardner hates the building inside and out.

Just as a peacock, under its feathers, is no different from a turkey, so 8 Spruce Street — shorn of its trappings, and notwithstanding a slight asymmetry in the massing — is not greatly different from most other high-rises in the city. There are many of the same old rigid right angles to it, lurking under all the fuss and feathers of its shiny cladding.

Gardner has a point, that there is little beyond the building's facade to recommend it, that inside it probably is just another over-priced luxury building. But what a facade that is! Nothing has had such a remarkable impact on the downtown skyline—if not the skyline as a whole—since the World Trade Center was built four decades ago.

As for those swishing metal curves, they may indeed be little more than overwrought window dressing, but as Gehry enthused to The Observer last month, they are not purposeless ornamentation. The undulating facade does actually serve a functional purpose in addition to an aesthetic one, creating distinctive bay windows with unique views of the city. By most accounts, there is nothing else like them in the city.

And yet Gardner closes on a point that cannot be ignored:

New York City is where the world's most daring architects come to complete their dullest projects. Indignant community boards and the various, ever-nervous municipal entities conspire with unimaginative developers to clip the wings of the architect's inspiration, all the while deriving such satisfaction as they can from the architect's fame.

Norman Foster, Herzog & de Meuron, Shigeru Ban and all too many other out-of-towers can attest to that sinking feeling that anything too striking or out of the ordinary may fly in another city or in another country, but that here in New York it never stood a chance.

Could 8 Spruce have been better? Might it not have its notorious flat back? Could it have all together defied gravity in some new and unexpected way? Certainly, for Gehry has done better work not only in Bilbao but also Boston and even—gasp—Cleveland. But 8 Spruce is still one of the best buildings the city has seen in a generation, a daring addition for which we should be grateful. The same goes for the supposedly dull work of Foster, et,al.

We may not get to enjoy their most ethereal works, but theirs is still a cut well above what New Yorkers had become accustomed to for decades. Their arrival is something to be celebrated, not lamented. Otherwise, we may never have it this good again.

_____________________________


Now back to our regularly scheduled beauty...

jphillipobrien2006 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/yojimbot/5248556242/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5288/5248556242_8f6a703cca_b.jpg

NYC4Life
Dec 10, 2010, 2:22 PM
Maybe the author of the article mistook Beekman for the neighboring Verizon Building.

sterlippo1
Dec 10, 2010, 2:53 PM
Maybe the author of the article mistook Beekman for the neighboring Verizon Building.

touche'.........well done:tup:

Dwils01
Dec 10, 2010, 3:41 PM
I like the look of this tower. I didn't even know it was under construction until I seen it in person in May. I think it's a great addition to the NY skyline and has very interesting features. I wish that Canada would be a little more creative with designs for residential buildings. Most of our new towers are big glass boxes with the exception of Absolute World Towers.

RoldanTTLB
Dec 11, 2010, 5:59 AM
Tallest roof downtown for the moment....

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/TQMJ5xqkcUI/AAAAAAAAEqY/YVNp_FY6iNg/s800/IMG_1936.JPG

Boss-ton
Dec 11, 2010, 8:13 AM
I dont care what he says I think cities with all kinds of wild buildings all mixed together look rediculous, this building is simple but still outstanding. New york doesnt have one Gherkin or Burj al Arab but it has hundreds of classy and practical buildings all combined together to create the best skyline in the world period.

hunser
Dec 11, 2010, 1:15 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5049/5248014416_a4619ef45f_b.jpg
cisc1970 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franciscodaum/)


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5242483813_9a16dc42cf_b.jpg
Joel Raskin (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joelrnyc/)


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/192/5249954811f926778170b.jpg
NYCPhotography.ORG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyc_blues/)

sterlippo1
Dec 11, 2010, 2:22 PM
^^^ that last one is a great picture:tup:

NYguy
Dec 15, 2010, 5:00 PM
moonman82 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25830962@N06/5234123767/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5169/5234123767_738c7f3f5a_b.jpg

patriotizzy
Dec 15, 2010, 8:04 PM
^^^ Damn the colors in that picture are so beautiful.

NYC4Life
Dec 16, 2010, 10:26 PM
What is that red building on the right? I don't recall ever seen it before.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Dec 17, 2010, 2:51 AM
What is that red building on the right? I don't recall ever seen it before.

idk what it is but the one on the corner has an NYU Barnes & Nobles then the red building has a Starbucks and across the street is J&R.

sterlippo1
Dec 17, 2010, 10:49 AM
What is that red building on the right? I don't recall ever seen it before.

you most likely have but with all the other things to look at down there you must have overlooked it. i dont know what it is either but i've walked by it dozens of times ,each time stopping to marvel at it. its next to 41 Park Row (NYTimes building) and fronts city hall park which is my favorite place to sit and take in NY. on this link you can see more clearly see street level
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NY_Times_41_Park_Row_jeh.JPG

sterlippo1
Dec 17, 2010, 11:06 AM
sorry to go off topic but here it is, the Potter Building
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SCC/SCC011.htm

uakoops
Dec 17, 2010, 3:13 PM
What is that red building on the right? I don't recall ever seen it before.

sorry to go off topic but here it is, the Potter Building
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SCC/SCC011.htm

Muggles can't see it......

AtlantaMustang
Dec 17, 2010, 6:32 PM
Muggles can't see it......

... :haha:
..

DZH22
Dec 24, 2010, 6:29 PM
My pics from Wednesday 12/22

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9690.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9705.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9713.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9714.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9718.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9719.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9724.jpg

car2004
Dec 24, 2010, 9:44 PM
^I know it's been said, many times, many ways...

It's a work of art. Pure and simple: a giant inhabitable sculpture. Bravo.

I agree with you. It is about time the U.S. gets a buildings like this and after One World Trade Center is finished, it will look so good against the foreground. The last time the U.S. had a building like this was back in the 80s in Houston, TX - the Williams Tower. Pictures do not do justice. I have seen many buildings all over the country and the Williams Tower is just shockingly beautiful! If you are ever in Houston, TX check it out. It is a must see for construction lovers. One World Trade Center is begining is remind me of the Williams Tower in Houston, TX.

NYguy
Dec 27, 2010, 2:43 PM
My pics from Wednesday 12/22

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9690.jpg

Great photo. Great addition to the skyline and cityscape.

NYC4Life
Dec 27, 2010, 6:04 PM
Love that last pic: Classic meets ultra modern. A great example of NYC's unmatched variety of skyscrapers.

Obey
Dec 27, 2010, 6:28 PM
That photo reminded me of this (Old meets Modern):
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2436/bilbaotown.gif
Goes to show how conventional Beekman is compared to other Gehry works

chex
Dec 27, 2010, 7:41 PM
My pics from Wednesday 12/22

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9719.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp322/DZH22/NYC/First/IMG_9724.jpg



wow!
will be best building of the year? or the decade??

Nowhereman1280
Dec 27, 2010, 10:05 PM
Wow, it looks much better now that the crown is visible. I wasn't a huge fan of this building at first, but now I kinda like it. One thing I love about it is how well it contrasts and complements the historic buildings around it. I'll tell you one thing, this building looks 10x better than 90% of the post of buildings in NYC. I hate how bulky and shapeless most of them are especially now that the WTC isn't there (though it will be back soon enough!) to break up the skyscraper blob that is Lower Manhattan...

NYguy
Dec 27, 2010, 10:24 PM
Benjamin Rosamond (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5297149317/sizes/l/in/pool-18964236@N00/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5297149317_87be5b7622_z.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5297149317_87be5b7622_b.jpg

NYguy
Jan 2, 2011, 10:14 PM
coolz0r (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coolz0r/5310376607/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5310376607_361cec6578_b.jpg

Lecom
Jan 2, 2011, 10:43 PM
That photo reminded me of this (Old meets Modern):
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2436/bilbaotown.gif
Goes to show how conventional Beekman is compared to other Gehry works

Beekman is unique, unlike anything else in the world. On the other hand, many of Gehry's works are very conventional, with their carbon copy "instant landmark", Bilbao derivative look. Those aren't about creativity as much as duplicating a cheesy yet successful gimmick. Beekman, however, is a different case. Between this and the IAC HQ, New York has been lucky enough to get great designs by Gehry. Here's hoping that he comes through again when it comes to designing the Performance Arts building at the WTC.

By the way, source your photos. If you don't, we'll proceed to deleting the posts without notice.

Obey
Jan 2, 2011, 11:03 PM
^^^ I would advise you to watch the documentary "Sketches of Frank Gehry" by Sydney Pollack to know what you are talking about. You can delete my photo but you should also delete your embarrassing comment.

Lecom
Jan 2, 2011, 11:18 PM
^^^ I would advise you to watch the documentary "Sketches of Frank Gehry" by Sydney Pollack to know what you are talking about. You can delete my photo but you should also delete your embarrassing comment.

I watched it. So what?

And take it easy on the trash talk. You got a free pass on telling somebody to "f**k off" in the past. Keep it up and see how far it gets you.

CSABA8
Jan 2, 2011, 11:36 PM
Why the staging still standing ?

Obey
Jan 2, 2011, 11:56 PM
I watched it. So what?

And take it easy on the trash talk. You got a free pass on telling somebody to "f**k off" in the past. Keep it up and see how far it gets you.

Whatever. I think your wrong that's all.

Dac150
Jan 3, 2011, 12:32 AM
This building is definitely a case of Gehry gone right. It’s clearly inspired from his other works, but because of its form possesses its own individual character. I also like it because it mixes up the skyline with some flare; something the Downtown skyline desperately needed.

Aleks
Jan 3, 2011, 4:14 AM
Whatever. I think your wrong that's all.

"you're" but anyways, this in an architecture forum, this is a thread on a building by ghery, it's ok to go on and talk about other ghery buildings, but if you wanna continue childish remarks rather than explain your thoughts go to skyscrapercity.

but anyways again, beekman came out perfect for new york. it just works, with the setbacks, the smoothness of the waves, and the steel. dac, yeah i love the glare of this building, but what's more amazing is the fact that it's not just an 'in your face' glare that glass facades offer, and when the glare is not direct it creates an amazing shadow and light combination.

Obey
Jan 3, 2011, 11:45 AM
^^^ I haven't said anything childish...and continually provoking me is what will create childish remarks. Also critiquing my spelling and grammar is very childish. When I told you to watch the Frank Gehry documentary it was because it explained how all his works are original and the process of creating them. You call his works (which ones I do not know because you never said), I assume the the museum in Bilbao and the concert hall in LA?, gimmicks and implying that Ghery is a one trick pony, which is just a common criticism but still does not make them conventional. My personal opinion is that his works are all original. Even if it is a 'gimmick' it does not make is any less nonconventional. If you have seen all of his works you will notice that only a few are very similar (any why is that necessarily a bad thing?). I actually think the Beekman ties some of his works together.

NYguy
Jan 3, 2011, 10:45 PM
^ :order: Enough.


http://www.newyorkbygehry.com/

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NYguy
Jan 3, 2011, 10:59 PM
Some caps from the video...

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/25860/1066974.jpg



http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/25860/1066975.jpg



http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/25860/1066976.jpg



http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/25860/1066977.jpg

Obey
Jan 4, 2011, 1:09 AM
Probably the best video I have seen of any skyscraper!

patriotizzy
Jan 4, 2011, 1:31 AM
Probably the best video I have seen of any skyscraper!

Seriously. I saw this a couple of hours ago and it blew me away. I hadn't seen a professional video that was focused on a building before. It's a small video but captured the amazingness that this building is. I made sure to download it asap.

NYguy
Jan 4, 2011, 3:03 PM
It's a great video of the building and the city. I can only hope to see similar videos of other creations on the skyline. How about "New York by Nouvel"...:)

JSsocal
Jan 4, 2011, 3:38 PM
Seriously. I saw this a couple of hours ago and it blew me away. I hadn't seen a professional video that was focused on a building before. It's a small video but captured the amazingness that this building is. I made sure to download it asap.

Follow the link to the website, thy have a large version of the video that is totally worth viewing.

patriotizzy
Jan 4, 2011, 5:16 PM
Follow the link to the website, thy have a large version of the video that is totally worth viewing.

I meant small video, as in short length lol. Still, I watched it in Youtube and it was pretty small. Thanks :D

JSsocal
Jan 4, 2011, 10:58 PM
^^^It looks like you'll have to go to the movies;

From Curbed:
"A commercial for the coming-soon rental tower has been rolling before flicks at the Regal Union Square movie theater, a shorter version of the video seen on the building's new website."

NYguy
Jan 4, 2011, 11:22 PM
Old icon meets new icon..

Megan Lukeroth (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meganluckeroth/5323983291/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5163/5323983291_3c74f34a54_b.jpg

yankeesfan1000
Jan 5, 2011, 12:24 AM
^^^It looks like you'll have to go to the movies;

From Curbed:
"A commercial for the coming-soon rental tower has been rolling before flicks at the Regal Union Square movie theater, a shorter version of the video seen on the building's new website."

Saw the video yesterday before True Grit at Union Square it was pretty spectacular. So if anyone feels like it for $13 you can watch that video on the big screen, and oh yeah watch True Grit afterwards if you feel like staying.

NYguy
Jan 6, 2011, 10:33 PM
Dave Hamster (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehamster/5331012632/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5331012632_e74d96047a_b.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5166/5330397399_234d738175_b.jpg

RoldanTTLB
Jan 6, 2011, 11:25 PM
Sorry to take this a little off topic, but everyone here should watch Man On Wire if they want to see an awesome video/movie/documentary about a building. The HD (if you watch it on Bluray anway) footage of the original WTC and the skyline in the 70s is incredible.

Skyscraper Sebastian
Jan 8, 2011, 10:11 PM
It seems that the Beekman is finished.

JSsocal
Jan 9, 2011, 12:15 AM
There is still a large construction elevator that runs on the entire west face of the building, meaning there is a whole strip of cladding that hasn't been installed yet.

Skyscraper Sebastian
Jan 10, 2011, 4:35 AM
It saids on the diagrams (and the top of this page) that this is built.