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Old Posted Apr 13, 2025, 1:02 AM
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NORFOLK: The Mid-Atlantic's last metropolis

Norfolk!

Norfolk is the southernmost city on Amtrak's Northeast Regional, the southernmost to have a lot of rowhouses, and the southernmost with a pre-20th Century port & industry legacy, before the entirely different economy of the US south takes over. The next big city to the south--Raleigh--is an entirely different tyle of place, not remotely mid-Atlantic in any reasonable argument.

Norfolk is also a clear satellite of DC, well-connected especially to Northern Virginia. It's for that reason that I find myself there a couple of times per year. For meetings, or a stop on the way somewhere else, or to visit friends.

So. Norfolk. The last metropolis of the Mid-Atlantic. Don't argue with me, just roll with it.

And oh, it is a water city.




These Norfolk shots are from the ferry to Portsmouth, across the Elizabeth River. More on Portsmouth later.




Downtown Norfolk:








Granby Street is the main pedestrian street


















That's Virtus, Roman goddess of virtue, symbol of Virginia, as always with her boob hanging out.




Norfolk is home to the world's largest navy base, and you cannot miss the navy connection anywhere in the city.




The other thing you can't miss in Norfolk--sadly--is shitty urban renewal. More than half the central city was wiped out. Basically the entire eastern half of downtown and all of the eastern neighborhoods. It is not a pretty sight.




But this brutalist downtown fountain is kind of cool.




Northwest of downtown lay West Freemason and Ghent, Norfolk's two great historic walkable neighborhoods.








If you squint, you might think some of it is DC, or maybe Richmond's Fan.






















Urban renewal did attack Ghent, but with less terrible results. It left us still basically urban, walkable blocks, with narrow individual buildings.



It also left us with public spaces that are not too disruptive, including most prominently Botetourt Gardens, a long but narrow grassy lawn with a pleasant shady park in the center. It could be a lot better, but it could also be a lot worse.










In West Freemason on the fringe of downtown, the Pagoda Garden is my favorite park in Norfolk:








When Norfolk goes to war against Richmond they are really going to kick some ass.




Seriously though.






Maybe something less deadly? Maybe time for transit. Yeah. Let's talk transit.

Norfolk has a stub of a light rail line. It's actually quite well planned, going more or less exactly where you would want a starter line to go, with a nice European-style tramway through downtown. Sadly it has never been extended and is of limited usefulness.























Norfolk's buses... well... the less said about them the better. Bad frequency, low ridership. They can't even be bothered to put the main bus transfer hub anywhere near a light rail station.

Anyway here's a bus. The system is called HRT so at least it's a good transgender pun, I guess.




Here's that Amtrak station.








There's a nice little ferry connecting downtowns Norfolk and Portsmouth. It's only about 1,000 feet of estuary between them, but it's deep estuary that has to accommodate big ships coming & going to the shipyard that's right next to downtown.














Portsmouth. You can see how close it is to Norfolk. Legally these are different cities, but really they're mere neighborhoods of the same city.




Portsmouth is unquestionably the junior partner. Its downtown is a lot sparser than Norfolk's. Sorry for the blur; the ferry made a sudden turn to dock and I didn't get a better one :-D




[cringe]




High Street runs perpendicular to the waterfront and is a lot more intact than the waterfront itself.








The real show in Portsmouth though is its lovely residential neighhorhood surrounding High Street.














That's Venus hanging over Portsmouth, seen from Norfolk Waterside.



The sunsets are pretty nice.

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Nice tour, thanks for sharing. I guess urban renewal wiped out the worst parts of the city, as what you showed looks pretty solid.
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I go to Hampton Roads once a year for family stuff and it's always a treat to see Norfolk and Portsmouth, the two most urban cities in that metro, by far (Newport News, no; Hampton has spots, but no; Chesapeake, Suffolk and Virginia Beach...umm). I wish the LRT would go all the way to Virginia Beach but alas, it's fine. Waterside had a slump in the early 2000s but has had an interesting comeback. The Chrysler Museum is lovely, the Scope is one of my all-time favorite looking arenas, and Colley Avenue is like a mini-Cary Street, Richmond.

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the southernmost to have a lot of rowhouses
Now you know that isn't true with Charleston, Savannah, and New Orleans giving you the side-eye. Ghent doesn't have that many rows. Tsk, tsk.
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Interesting to see. I haven't been there since 1999. Maybe I'll take Amtrak down there at some point this year, though probably not until fall at the earliest.
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Charleston, Savannah, and New Orleans giving you the side-eye.
Ahem.
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southernmost to have a lot of rowhouses... before the entirely different economy of the US south takes over.
Not southernmost to ever exist. Southernmost before the changeover from mid Atlantic to southern style citybuilding.
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Nice pictures! I have not stopped in Norfolk before, but I have stopped in Portsmouth. I see some of the Fan District in your pictures, but I also see some of Salisbury, Maryland in them as well.

To me, the Hampton Roads areas has a lot of interesting cities to explore! There seem to be some interesting areas in Virginia Beach, Newport News (one of the more unique city names in the US), Hampton, Chesapeake, etc.
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my cityskyline2 city has better layout than norfolks
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The real question:

The mermaids are all pointing at something... but what?
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The mermaids are all pointing at something... but what?
Virtus' boob. "The poor landmaids don't even have shells," they gawk in horror.
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Nice! My wife was born on a naval base in Portsmouth.
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Hampton Roads doesn't do much for me, but I do love Williamsburg. I like the weird brutalist ORF airport, though. Thanks for sharing the few remaining urban pockets, there's a bit more than I expected from my limited experience in Norfolk.
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Another place on the east coast that is a bit mysterious but interesting to me.

An excellent variety of photo subjects here.
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Thank you for posting. I would like to visit Norfolk some time. I visited Hampton Roads briefly a couple of years ago and it has a limited but decent downtown area. Virginia Beach was regrettable.
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The navy ships really are closer to the city than I expected!
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Interesting post. I get down to Alexandria quite often but never seem to make it to Norfolk or Richmond.
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If you're ever on an east coast flight, Norfolk is a good progress marker. You can easily pick out the Naval Base and its impressive aircraft carriers on a clear day when you get to Chesapeake Bay.
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