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Miscellaneous and completely random brain farts about Chicago

OK so I've been in Chicago the past couple days, first time I've ever been here. Decided to come here on a short vacation and visit a cousin (who I still have yet to hear back from). Will leave on Monday.

So I'm going to drop random observations in this thread. Here goes ...

1. Much of State St, especially as you get toward the library, looks like it's about 50 years past its prime (haven't gone south of the library). I'm surprised that Barnes & Noble hasn't moved elsewhere by now. Weird thing about that is, if you go 1 block east or west it's fine.

2. There are a bunch of light bulbs on the roof of the Merchandise Mart that need to be replaced.

3. The music they play at the Navy Pier is really annoying.

4. I kinda get The El, but really, I don't get The El. NYC tore down its elevated rail lines decades ago (at least in Manhattan). Was there some technical reason why they couldn't have subways in those routes instead? After all there are subways elsewhere in downtown. I almost get the impression they've left them up because, well, it's a signature Chicago thing and what would downtown Chicago be without The El? Or something along those lines. But really, like all elevated rails it's ugly and noisy. I think they should bite the bullet and do a gradual process of getting rid of the thing. If I've committed blasphemy by saying that, too bad.

5. I think the coolest thing about Chicago (at least downtown, haven't gone elsewhere yet) is the Chicago River. Even more than the lakefront. The lakefront is neat, but because downtown is set so far back from it, it kinda doesn't really "interact" with the city. But don't get me wrong, the park along the lake is great ... but the way the Chicago River is sort of like this large canal and you've got the walkway along it and some restaurants and other attractions right up against the river is really cool. Like a modernistic Venice.

6. There are Hairy woodpeckers in the downtown parks. Or at least one (a male). I was eating lunch at the Greek restaurant overlooking that little park north of the river (a few blocks west of the Navy Pier) and right out the window was a Hairy Woodpecker pecking away in a tree. I would be unsurprised at a Downy woodpecker, but a Hairy woodpecker I would not expect in such an urban setting. It was quite tame, too. There were people walking on the sidewalk just a few feet below it, and it was completely unafraid of them.



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Was there some technical reason why they couldn't have subways in those routes instead?
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I think they should bite the bullet and do a gradual process of getting rid of the thing.
Write the city a check for 8 gazillion dollars and we'll get right on that for you.

And considering that 5 different lines run around the loop tracks, there's no gradual way to bury it. It either all goes under ground, or it stays as is.



Back here in reality land, love it or hate, the Chicago L is here to stay.

As a lifelong Chicagoan, I fortunately love it. Hell, I even bought my forever home right on the tracks! (noise and ugliness and all)

Besides, of the 6,001 challenges facing Chicago that the city actually needs to address, burying elevated rapid transit lines is NOT one of them.

Double besides, I ride the brown line through the loop skyscraper canyons everyday, and I still somehow get a kick outta it everytime!

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Double besides, I ride the brown line through the loop skyscraper canyons everyday, and I still somehow get a kick outta it everytime!
Indeed, whenever I pass through Chicago to see family, riding the Brown Line is a tradition of mine. Amtrak transfer, so the Quincy station up to Kimball, find lunch, ride back.
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7. If you're a coffee junkie, the Starbucks Reserve store on Michigan Ave is worth a visit to Chicago all by itself. That place is waaay cool.

8. Speaking of Michigan Ave, I really liked it. It was like Park Ave meets Fifth Ave.
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You can blame th GSA for a big part of why State Street between Monroe and Ida B Wells is a bit rundown...
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I agree that the river and its many draw bridges is something that really distinguishes Chicago from other US cities. The double-level draw bridges with the el are pretty wild.

Lake Michigan has better water quality than Lake Erie or Lake Ontario, which means Chicago and Milwaukee front a better lake than Cleveland, Buffalo, Toledo, and Detroit.

If you ride a bike in DT Chicago you can be going fast enough to pass through an intersection to suddenly feel the temp drop 5-10 degrees as you approach the lake.
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[QUOTE=James Bond Agent 007;10069188]OK so I've been in Chicago the past couple days, first time I've ever been here. Decided to come here on a short vacation and visit a cousin (who I still have yet to hear back from). Will leave on Monday.

So I'm going to drop random observations in this thread. Here goes ...

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1. Much of State St, especially as you get toward the library, looks like it's about 50 years past its prime (haven't gone south of the library). I'm surprised that Barnes & Noble hasn't moved elsewhere by now. Weird thing about that is, if you go 1 block east or west it's fine.
There’s an entire city block on State St. that’s been owned by the U.S. Federal Government for the past 20+ years that is deliberately left vacant. They’re convinced that terrorists will attack the adjacent courthouse from the rooftops or something.

The city has been trying to convince the feds that this is crazy tinfoil hat paranoia.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/23/2...umer-buildings-landmark-status-editorial


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4. I kinda get The El, but really, I don't get The El. NYC tore down its elevated rail lines decades ago (at least in Manhattan). Was there some technical reason why they couldn't have subways in those routes instead? After all there are subways elsewhere in downtown. I almost get the impression they've left them up because, well, it's a signature Chicago thing and what would downtown Chicago be without The El?
Chicago was broke and had no money to replace the elevated lines. NYC tore down its elevated lines but didn’t actually replace some of them. Even if Chicago got more funds to build subways, the city would rather build a new line not replace old ones.

So over a hundred years later with zero prospects of replacement, the only option left is to appreciate the tracks for their presence and history.

It’s like a 40 year old with an ugly nose being offered plastic surgery for the price tag of $5 million. Why bother? Way too expensive. And ugliness can have character.



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5. I think the coolest thing about Chicago (at least downtown, haven't gone elsewhere yet) is the Chicago River. Even more than the lakefront. The lakefront is neat, but because downtown is set so far back from it, it kinda doesn't really "interact" with the city. But don't get me wrong, the park along the lake is great ... but the way the Chicago River is sort of like this large canal and you've got the walkway along it and some restaurants and other attractions right up against the river is really cool. Like a modernistic Venice.
Ironically, Leonardo da Vinci used to occupy himself with fantasy city designs that look like a proto-Chicago.





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6. There are Hairy woodpeckers in the downtown parks. Or at least one (a male). I was eating lunch at the Greek restaurant overlooking that little park north of the river (a few blocks west of the Navy Pier) and right out the window was a Hairy Woodpecker pecking away in a tree. I would be unsurprised at a Downy woodpecker, but a Hairy woodpecker I would not expect in such an urban setting. It was quite tame, too. There were people walking on the sidewalk just a few feet below it, and it was completely unafraid of them.
The train rail ROWs, parks, forest preserves and lakeshore are all interconnected, so the region functions as a wildlife superhighway. It’s safer for most animals to transit through the city than the surrounding farmland. Obviously no poison or hunting in Chicago, and several animal species have figured out how the traffic lights to cross the street work.

https://youtu.be/IQczESbLjAI?si=t7biSoi9TzZRop8F
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If you ride a bike in DT Chicago you can be going fast enough to pass through an intersection to suddenly feel the temp drop 5-10 degrees as you approach the lake.
I noticed that as I was walking down the Navy Pier. After walking just a short ways down the pier you notice it gets suddenly cooler.
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The train rail ROWs, parks, forest preserves and lakeshore are all interconnected, so the region functions as a wildlife superhighway. It’s safer for most animals to transit through the city than the surrounding farmland. Obviously no poison or hunting in Chicago, and several animal species have figured out how the traffic lights to cross the street work.

https://youtu.be/IQczESbLjAI?si=t7biSoi9TzZRop8F
Except for sad instances like this, which even made the national news a couple weeks ago:

Nearly 1,000 migrating birds died after crashing into Chicago building
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Nearly 1,000 birds died late last week after flying into a Chicago convention center during their migratory journey south.

964 birds crashed into McCormick Place Lakeside Center, a mostly glass building located on the shore of Lake Michigan just south of downtown Chicago.

Douglas Stotz, a conservation ecologist with the Chicago-based Field Museum, called Wednesday evening the biggest night of migration Chicago had seen in the last century.
Chicago really outta start a campaign to get building owners to turn off as many lights as they can during the spring and fall. Poor birdies.
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I noticed that as I was walking down the Navy Pier. After walking just a short ways down the pier you notice it gets suddenly cooler.
This might happen while walking but no doubt it's more noticeable while bicycling.

My one complaint about downtown Chicago is that unlike NYC, pretty much every last small building has been demolished. Throughout NYC, small buildings remain on the corners or midblock even on the most valuable blocks.
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My one complaint about downtown Chicago is that unlike NYC, pretty much every last small building has been demolished.
There might be considerably fewer than NYC, but "pretty much every last" is quite the exaggeration.

I work in a 100 year old 12 story skinny little building on a 40' wide mid-block lot in the loop.

And it's hardly the only one.
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9. I forgot to mention this yesterday, but I CAN'T BELIEVE this is still sitting there. It's been - what? 10 years? 15 years? It's gotta be one of the most valuable undeveloped parcels in the whole world, but it's just sitting there with that stupid hole. Since that Spire thing or whatever it was called is obviously not gonna get built, you'd think they'd come up with something else to put there in the meantime, but it appears not.

10. There were a bunch of streets around Soldier Field that were closed off this morning (some event going on, it looked like), which sucked because I wanted to park somewhere nearby to take a few picks of the stadium but there weren't any other good spots to park nearby without having to walk a quarter mile so I said screw it and didn't get any pics. /rant

11. As far as I can tell, the entirety of the north half of Chicago is one giant yuppie/hipster heaven. Or at least most of the north half. I sure didn't see anything I'd categorize otherwise. I drove up to Wrigley (mostly on Clark St), and then a couple miles north of Wrigley or so to (I think) Lawrence Ave, then headed west for several blocks on that street, then drove south on Damen Ave for quite some while, just to pick an ordinary street to get an idea of what the place looked like. The entire journey was pretty much nonstop yuppie/hipster habitat. While I was at Wrigley I parked my car for a bit to wander around some local streets, and even some of the streets I thought might have some junkier houses were still mostly yuppie/hipster habitat.

12. There is a lady on Kenmore Ave a few houses from the back side of Wrigley who claims she's the only person on that block who is a White Sox fan. She was raking her yard and, since it was just a few houses from Wrigley, I was wondering and asked her if there were any White Sox fans on that block. She said she was, and was the only one on the block. And come to think of it, I wandered into a couple team stores in various places, and Cubs paraphernalia seemed to outnumber White Sox paraphernalia by, like, 10-to-1.

13. Related to #11, parts of that area appeared to be as white as ... I dunno, Minnesota or something. Maybe even North Dakota. Just an observation. At one point I stopped in this yuppie/hipster boutique grocery store about a half-mile south of Wrigley to get a cup of coffee, and while there must have been 200 or so people in the store, I think there was maybe 5 non-white people. Forget the name of the place and I can't seem to find it on Google maps. But as far as I can tell most of that area up there was kinda like that. Or at least the majority of it.

14. Speaking of Wrigley, and back to my discussion of the El, I saw that the El goes all the way up there, too (and no doubt much farther north). I suppose it would be impractical to build a subway all the way up there so I got the idea ... if they ever got some money to replace it, they could replace it with a monorail! They could replace all that steel stuff with a nice, more compactly-built concrete doohicky and have monorails with rubber wheels. Like in Disney World. Would be much nicer-looking, be a lot quieter, and be futuristic-looking too boot! They could do that downtown, too.

15. Back to my discussion about State Street .... I drove down it today and went several blocks south of the library this time. And even the "nicer" parts of it as you get toward the river were really kinda ... meh. Clearly past its heyday. I also noticed a Macy's there which I didn't notice yesterday (even though I walked right past it). It looks like a street which was a bustling place back in the heyday of downtown shopping districts (like, prior to WWII) and has been struggling since. It occurred to me that maybe the Magnificent Mile has sucked a lot of its life out of it. The Magnificent Mile was bustling and thriving with all kinds of upscale stores and huge crowds even on a weekday night, while State Street was ... bleh. Maybe State Street was more of an ordinary, workaday shopping street (hence the Macy's, which used to be Marshall Fields I think?), while the Mag Mile was always the upscale, specialty street. Well, maybe in-city shopping has become more upscale and less workaday over the decades, so the ordinary, workaday shopping areas went downhill while the upscale areas thrived. Plus you get the shopping centers that have the Nordstrom and Bloomingdales and that gives you even more fancy places to put a store, so basically everything gravitates to the upscale Magnificent Mile and State Street goes bleh. Correct me if I'm wrong.

16. I drove west on Grand Ave west of I-90 for a mile or two and it looked like an area that was rapidly gentrifying. I then went north on one of the residential streets and, honestly, it didn't look much different from stuff in the north end. I then headed back east on Chicago Ave. So I guess maybe it was just the main drags that had gotten a bit dumpy and were being fixed up, while the residential areas behind the main drags were still OK.

17. Both in the area in #16 and the north end, I can't tell you how many new houses that look just like these were popping up everywhere. It gave me the impression that in, like, 50 years or so, half the houses in Chicago are gonna look like that. Obviously tear-downs of older houses, re-built with these distinctive "Chicago Style" houses. I see very few houses like that in KC.

18. Compared to Kansas Citians, Chicagoans seem:
-- not quite as fat
-- a little better dressed
-- not as many tattoos.
However, considering that Kansas Citians are really fat, slobbier dressed and tattoo-infested, that's not hard to achieve.

19. When you drive in NYC (or at least Manhattan) and you're waiting at a red light which turns green, if you wait for just a half-second before you start going, you'll get someone behind you beeping at you to go. Chicagoans seem to be considerably more patient and wait 2 seconds.
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9. I forgot to mention this yesterday, but I CAN'T BELIEVE this is still sitting there. It's been - what? 10 years? 15 years? It's gotta be one of the most valuable undeveloped parcels in the whole world, but it's just sitting there with that stupid hole. Since that Spire thing or whatever it was called is obviously not gonna get built, you'd think they'd come up with something else to put there in the meantime, but it appears not.
Related has been sitting on the old spire site for a long time now, but they're finally fucking ready to build something there, thank God.

Construction on tower 1 of this two tower plan is scheduled to start within the next month or so:








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13. Related to #11, parts of that area appeared to be as white as ... I dunno, Minnesota or something. Maybe even North Dakota. Just an observation. At one point I stopped in this yuppie/hipster boutique grocery store about a half-mile south of Wrigley to get a cup of coffee, and while there must have been 200 or so people in the store, I think there was maybe 5 non-white people. Forget the name of the place and I can't seem to find it on Google maps. But as far as I can tell most of that area up there was kinda like that. Or at least the majority of it.
Wrigleyville is a sub-neighborhood of the Lakeview community area.

Here's Lakeview macro-demo breakdown as of 2020:

White - 76.2%
Black - 4.2%
Hispanic - 9.0%
Asian - 7.0%
Other - 3.6%

Definitely very white, but perhaps not quite as white as your impression?

If you had gone further north into Uptown/Edgewater/Rogers park, it gets even less white.




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14. Speaking of Wrigley, and back to my discussion of the El, I saw that the El goes all the way up there, too (and no doubt much farther north). I suppose it would be impractical to build a subway all the way up there so I got the idea ... if they ever got some money to replace it, they could replace it with a monorail! They could replace all that steel stuff with a nice, more compactly-built concrete doohicky and have monorails with rubber wheels. Like in Disney World. Would be much nicer-looking, be a lot quieter, and be futuristic-looking too boot! They could do that downtown, too.
Time to bust out that magic checkbook of yours again.......





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17. Both in the area in #16 and the north end, I can't tell you how many new houses that look just like these were popping up everywhere. It gave me the impression that in, like, 50 years or so, half the houses in Chicago are gonna look like that. Obviously tear-downs of older houses, re-built with these distinctive "Chicago Style" houses. I see very few houses like that in KC.
Those aren't "houses" in the conventional sense, they're "3-flats" (3 single floor homes stacked on top of each other), one of chicago's most distinctive residential vernacular typologies, and a huge reason behind "neighborhood Chicago"'s relatively high density (for a US city).

I love 'em (read my sig below). I not only live in a vintage 3-flat, I also draw CD's for new construction 3-flats every day at work.
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I think that double tower scheme looks better than the old spire plan anyway.
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The spire site is an "ok" location relative to the greater downtown area, in terms of residential. Sure it has good views but it's too far east and not connected to the street grid. It certainly isn't one of the most valuable underdeveloped plots in the world

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Except for sad instances like this, which even made the national news a couple weeks ago:

Nearly 1,000 migrating birds died after crashing into Chicago building

Chicago really outta start a campaign to get building owners to turn off as many lights as they can during the spring and fall. Poor birdies.
The downsides of routine window washing; they typically won't fly into dirty windows. We deliberately don't wash ours on the back of our house for that reason.
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