1284 Main St E (Former Delta Secondary School) | 44m | 3x14fl | Proposed

[TheRitsman]

DRP is today, will share information when done. Looks to be 44m tall. I couldn't fit all the building heights but there are three 14fl buildings, 2 lengths of 4 storey townhomes and two 2fl townhome rows. These are screenshots from the DRP meeting, hence the lower quality. Looks like 975 units. 1137 units of car parking. 490 units of bicycle parking.

[Innsertnamehere]

a LOT of parking. At least bring it down to 1:1 in a location like this..

[TheHonestMaple]

I like it, a lot.

[ScreamingViking]

There goes the neighbourhood!

Expect this one to get fought tooth and nail. Because nobody likes change.

Personally I think it's quite appropriate. I can see it getting lopped down to 10 floors, but this is a decent plan for a massive and unused space.

[craftbeerdad]

Oh man, can you imagine the push back on this in the Delta?

Either way that's a beautiful school and glad it won't go to waste. I'm sure the businesses around there would love all those residents, especially End Zones, right across the street. Talk about convenience for a pint (It's not The Brain Bar or anything, but hey).

Car parking seems over the top for a pretty transit/walkable/future LRT focused area.

[TheHonestMaple]

Don't forget it's right on the LRT too! Can't imagine any opposition to this being successful, this is exactly what the city and province want for east hamilton.

[Chronamut]

I like the density - but those white ribbed parts on the top feel very bulky - almost like theyre gonna topple over - woulda preferred more of a seamless curtain wall look like some of core urbans stuff, but glad to see it having a new purpose at least.

[PaperSun]

I actually like this one

[King&James]

Great plan and density, awesome that the existing structure is maintained

[Berklon]

Where's the parking some of you are talking about? Am I blind?

I think this looks great.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Berklon

Where's the parking some of you are talking about? Am I blind?

I think this looks great.

Must be underground. The site plan looks like it shows a couple of ramps, with vehicle access from the street at the back (Maple)

I like that they're preserving the open space around the northern perimeter too.

[TheRitsman]

Yes it's all underground. The DRP site has been updated to include the PDF documents. I will spend some time after dinner cropping a few screens to share.

[drpgq]

Definitely good for neighbouring businesses. I'll admit if I lived there I would want a parking spot.

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by drpgq

Definitely good for neighbouring businesses. I'll admit if I lived there I would want a parking spot.

And that's fine. But not everyone might, and when you force a parking spot on people, they usually will buy a car or you'll encourage car ownership in the building. Only enough parking to sell or rent out units should be built. Legally requiring parking is insane policy, and bad policy, and getting rid of it, cause mayhem exactly nowhere.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by drpgq

Definitely good for neighbouring businesses. I'll admit if I lived there I would want a parking spot.

Me too, though I'd drive much less if I lived here.

162 extra spaces compared to the unit count is excessive IMO. This is right on the city's busiest bus corridor, with future access to higher order transit at stations just a few hundred metres away both east and west.

[Berklon]

As long as the parking is underground, I don't mind.

There are plenty of people who want to move someplace where they don't have to depend on a car for most of the things they have to do, but still want to have a car for the times they need it. They'll need somewhere safe to park it and underground is perfect for them. For those who don't have a car, they can rent out to those who need more than one space. My mom rents out her space for $250 a month in her east end condo.

[TheRitsman]

The issue again is the REQUIREMENT. If you don't have a car you are required to purchase one, whether it's included in the price or not, the cost of the spot is included in your price. This encourages people who already own cars to live here, and encourages people without cars to buy one. This is both problematic from a economic standpoint, a sensibility standpoint, a sustainability standpoint, a climate emergency standpoint, a traffic standpoint, and defeats a large purpose of te the LRT and the states goals of the city to reduce car usage. It also causes many developments to not pencil out, slowing development and slowing the construction of homes for people who desperately need them.

The cost of building an underground spot can cost $80,000-$120,000. $250/month doesn't cover that cost, it also puts housing out of reach for some since it increases cost and therefore down payment, and it makes more housing unprofitable to build. The parking here will likely cost $90,000,000-$136,000,000 to build.

[TheHonestMaple]

This is Canada. You need a car to get around. This isn't a dense European city. Perhaps far into the future our cities will evolve into something that you don't need a car for. But for now it's an absolute must. Good luck selling condos without a parking spot. There's a reason they include them, they're not just some novelty.

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

This is Canada. You need a car to get around. This isn't a dense European city. Perhaps far into the future our cities will evolve into something that you don't need a car for. But for now it's an absolute must. Good luck selling condos without a parking spot. There's a reason they include them, they're not just some novelty.

They include because they're mandatory. Television City is another example of where they can't even sell the parking stalls. The modeshare of this area is already sub-85% automobiles which will only decrease with increases in transit service and cycling infrastructure.

I can't believe y'all want more condo buildings in this city but aren't supportive of one of the most restrictive zoning by-laws that slow, or stop in their tracks new developments..

There have been numerous developments with reduced parking asks. This and the BrockU likely don't want to fight the city on that particular part because they think they can sell of the parking stalls, but I'm sure they'd love to include less.

I'll remind everyone one of the first cities in Canada to remove parking minimums was Edmonton. There's literally a Cards Against Humanity card about an Icy Edmonton Hooker. The weather here really isn't that bad. I walked to work this morning and it was 5°C

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/parking-drives-housing-prices/618910/

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-an.../08/less-parking-could-mean-more-housing

Parking Requirement Impacts on Housing Affordability: https://www.vtpi.org/park-hou.pdf

https://www.insauga.com/removing-parking...on-could-reduce-real-estate-cost-report/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/...dmonton,decide%20how%20much%20to%20offer.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

This is Canada. You need a car to get around. This isn't a dense European city. Perhaps far into the future our cities will evolve into something that you don't need a car for. But for now it's an absolute must. Good luck selling condos without a parking spot. There's a reason they include them, they're not just some novelty.

In the central city a car is an amenity, not a necessity.

Parking spots for every unit? Ok I can accept that. Up to 17% more? Why.