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Old Posted Jun 15, 2022, 4:29 PM
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608 Commissioners Road West - 6s (Approved)

Another infill proposal. A 6s residential building is proposed on the SW corner of Commissioners Road West and Westmount Crescent, just west of Wonderland.

Planning application notice: https://london.ca/sites/default/file...20Road%20W.pdf

Planning application page: https://london.ca/business-developme...issioners-road


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Old Posted Oct 20, 2022, 2:38 PM
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Revised design adding a step back.
This Copia company has a number of zoning applications but doesn't appear to have any building happening. Have they actually built anything here or in another city?

https://london.ca/sites/default/file...20Road%20W.pdf
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2022, 2:59 PM
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City planning staff recommends that council should approve the zoning change. Goes to planning committee on November 28th.

https://london.ca/sites/default/file...20%28AR%29.pdf

I read through some of the letters and there is a lot of serious opposition in the area (aka NIMBYs). Some of the letters even mention the ward councillor, Cllr Van Meerbergen agrees that this development is too big and will likely try to convince his council colleagues to refuse the zoning. Mid-rise 6s infill buildings fronting arterial roads are nothing new - examples of this can be found all throughout the city, with many more to be constructed that are already approved.

As a side note, this zoning change (among a few others) will be one of the first ones our new Council (more than half new) will get to vote on. Will they go along with the staff recommendation to accept the zoning change? Or will they cater to the NIMBYs?
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2022, 3:29 PM
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looks a lot like the 6 storey building going up in my neck of the woods (Hyde Park, near South Carriage Road)
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2022, 5:26 PM
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Would be nice to see this Copia company actually hire a general contractor and get a shovel in the ground on one of their zoning applications.
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Planning committee votes to sent this zoning application back to staff for more study.



LFP article - https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...ite-councillor
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Oh joy brand new council and one of their first acts of Planning Committee is to placate these NIMBYs and have staff study this project into oblivion. Projects like this need to be approved; on a major road, great infill project, developer has made adjustments from previous proposal but still not enough. They just want a stop anything but another detached home. Housing supply shortage to continue unabated...


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Planning committee votes to sent this zoning application back to staff for more study.
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Staff report recommends the proposal yet members of planning committee refers it back. Very poor start to this new committee.



https://pub-london.escribemeetings.c...cumentId=95724
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Same result will happen when the proposal in Byron comes forward. Already quite the active anti-development discussion happening on a neighbourhood Facebook group. Fortunately the election just happened, because there are a lot of people saying that if Anna Hopkins backs this, after fighting the reservoir hill building right beside her house (the only resident it affected), they are going to remember it come next election and work against her.
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Council unanimously voted to refer this back to planning staff to address "traffic concerns"
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Here is an updated rendering for this. Looks better than what they had proposed originally IMO (see my first post in this thread).



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I still don't understand why council voted to refer this back to staff under the notion of "traffic concerns". I did a "ctrl-f" search to the staff report, and there is literally an entire section there dedicated to traffic.

"Concerns were raised about the amount of traffic that would be generated by this development and that access is located off Westmount Crescent. Residents in the area are concerned about negative impacts on the neighbourhood in terms of increased traffic and safety.

As mentioned, Transportation did not have concerns with the proposed increase in traffic from the proposed development. Additionally, Westmount Crescent is a neighbourhood street that serves a small number of dwelling units in the area, thus its traffic volumes are low. Neighbourhood streets are typically intended to accommodate traffic volumes up to approximately 1000 vehicles...

The City has developed a Traffic Calming and Procedures manual to assess when traffic calming measures are required. .... Based on the evaluation tools, the proposed development will not significantly affect the capacity of the local roads. "


What is funny is that I remember very clearly the ward councillor Paul Van Meerbergen had 4 or 5 ads running on CTV London during the recent election campaign, and one of them was about "removing red tape" and "the need to increase the housing stock". Guess that does not apply to projects in his ward, as this was his comment to the LFP “If this goes ahead, it’s going to be a monument to bad decision-making,” he said. “This does not fit. It’s too big; it does not work.”

As I mentioned here before, mid-rise 6s buildings fronting arterial roads, abutting neighbourhoods primarily composed of single-family homes are not rare and can be found everywhere in this city
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The updated rendering looks much better, hopefully that is enough to let this move along. The traffic concerns make little sense, this is not going to create 1000's of cars suddenly. We are talking about less than 100 units in this building I believe?

Certainly there will be a few more cars that come in and out of Westmount Crescent rather than going to Commissioners then to Wonderland, etc but I would imagine it would be a fairly low amount daily.
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Not convinced this Copia company builds much. They seem to promote projects and get zoning approvals then sell it off to actual developers. They did the same up in Hyde Park with the property west of Ungers which is now owned by Bluestone developments. At least Bluestone will most likely go ahead with construction of the 12s and 6s proposed at this site.
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The neighbors that oppose this development I assume are old senior NIMBYs with a lot of free time on their hands. This development is something that is a great infill project and needs to be moved ahead with, however they do not like that their neighborhood will not stay single story forever now. I just wait to see their reaction when the townhouse project across the street also gets approved. This is the type of stuff that keeps holding London as a city back.


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The updated rendering looks much better, hopefully that is enough to let this move along. The traffic concerns make little sense, this is not going to create 1000's of cars suddenly. We are talking about less than 100 units in this building I believe?

Certainly there will be a few more cars that come in and out of Westmount Crescent rather than going to Commissioners then to Wonderland, etc but I would imagine it would be a fairly low amount daily.
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Staff will be bringing this back to planning committee on January 30th for another public meeting.

https://london.ca/sites/default/file...%20Meeting.pdf
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Nimbism is very much tied to Classism in that people don't want people who will likely be of a different social-economic class near them. The Nimbism stew also suffers from a pinch of racism and dash of discrimination. Deep down they know this and try to hide behind the same litany of excuses: Increased traffic, noise, crime. Dreaded shadows of Mordor and the "not in keeping with the character of the neighbourhood" talking points. Urban areas have always evolved over time. Whether caused by natural disasters like fires, earthquakes, floods or economic forces the urban fabric will change over time. Urban planners today are generally coming to the realization that urban sprawl is not smart or economically sustainable and increasing density is the way forward.
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Staff will be bringing this back to planning committee on January 30th for another public meeting.
Here is the staff report. Staff have said, once again, "that the increase in traffic will have minimal impacts in the area and can be accommodated given existing traffic volumes in the area. "

https://pub-london.escribemeetings.c...cumentId=96753
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Planning committee approved this at 4-1. Goes to City Council on Feb 14th.

https://london.ctvnews.ca/london-nei...ents-1.6253137

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“We shove a new development down their throats without taking their very well-based concerns into account,” argued Coun. Paul Van Meerbergen.
I think you mean NIMBY-based concerns, Paul.
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I'm not convinced this Copia Developments will build this or any of their other zoning applications. It's just as likely they will sell it off to an actual developer using the new zoning as a sweetener to increase the price and profit. It could be many years before a shovel ever goes in the ground on this site.
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Didn't I hear PVM arguing for the Upper Queens development? The very definition of NIMBY lol, more development, but not here.
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