Mobility Master Plan (Transportation Planning)

[CanadianTalk]

For anyone who is interested, the city just started the public consultation for the Mobility Master Plan today, which will be a two year long process.

This plan will replace the previous Transportation Master Plan which was completed about a decade ago.

If you go to the project webpage, you can fill out a feedback form where you can share your experiences with moving around the city, including any particular challenges you face: https://getinvolved.london.ca/mobility-master-plan.

Here is an excerpt from a CBC article:

The aim of the plan is a departure from the former transportation master plan, which focused more on the movement of people or goods. Focusing on the term "mobility" will focus more on the different ways people can get around, including going to work, school, the grocery store, restaurants and other places, officials said.

[tyeman200]

Come to think of it, me and my friend were talking about this the other day. She got a job in the industrial district on Robins Hill Road. I was surprised to find out there is no sidewalks on Huron leading there, or no bus route that services the entire area. Something I'll definitely provide some feedback on, a lot more places in London need either sidewalks, or public transit, or both.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by tyeman200

Come to think of it, me and my friend were talking about this the other day. She got a job in the industrial district on Robins Hill Road. I was surprised to find out there is no sidewalks on Huron leading there, or no bus route that services the entire area. Something I'll definitely provide some feedback on, a lot more places in London need either sidewalks, or public transit, or both.

No sidewalks on Huron, but there are sidewalks leading from the bus stop at Crumlin and Oxford at the terminal entrance all the way through the industrial park, up Robins Hill to Huron and east from there past Amazon and ending by the cargo terminal. Not ideal but still not as far a walk as it would be down Huron if there were sidewalks there.

For sure, that Fanshawe-Airport bus route should loop up around that industrial park, and who knows, they might actually plan to at some point. All of the industrial parks have been difficult to service mainly because they need service at very specific times during the day, and then not needed for most of the rest of the day.

[tyeman200]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

For sure, that Fanshawe-Airport bus route should loop up around that industrial park, and who knows, they might actually plan to at some point. All of the industrial parks have been difficult to service mainly because they need service at very specific times during the day, and then not needed for most of the rest of the day.

It would be nice to have more of a grid system. Have a Huron bus that loops around Robins Hill back to Veterans and back on Huron. Also more sidewalks on Oxford to the Airport.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by tyeman200

It would be nice to have more of a grid system. Have a Huron bus that loops around Robins Hill back to Veterans and back on Huron. Also more sidewalks on Oxford to the Airport.

The sidewalk does go to Veterans, so there is only a 2 block gap. I'm not really sure how much demand there is for people walking along there, same as Huron. The buses pretty much need to go to Fanshawe for the terminal point to meet other buses or you probably won't get the traffic to the airport area.

[CanadianTalk]

It's been a while since this thread was updated...

In December, city staff will release the draft mobility networks as part of the Mobility Master Plan. This will be a comprehensive plan that will identify and map out all mobility infrastructure projects that will be needed from now until 2050, which includes the following:

• complete streets: a range of projects have been identified for consideration and will result in a number of recommended complete streets projects which include a variety of improvements such as strategic road capacity improvements (ie: road widening from 2 to 4 lanes), transit measures, and urbanization with curbs, storm sewers, sidewalks and cycling facilities.
• transit: builds on the current rapid transit projects in implementation, corridor recommendations will range from isolated transit priority measures such as queue jump lanes and transit priority signals, to dedicated transit lanes where appropriate
• cycling: will include the identification of new cycling connections as well as upgrades to current cycling infrastructure

Really looking forward to seeing it!

https://pub-london.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=111914

[jammer139]

high on the list should be a multi-use paved path down the Medway Creek Valley connecting Fanshawe Rd into the NW corner of Western campus and a full multiuse paved path along the north bank of the Thames river from Highbury Ave to the Adelaide St bridge and soccer fields.

Originally Posted by CanadianTalk

It's been a while since this thread was updated...

In December, city staff will release the draft mobility networks as part of the Mobility Master Plan. This will be a comprehensive plan that will identify and map out all mobility infrastructure projects that will be needed from now until 2050, which includes the following:

• complete streets: a range of projects have been identified for consideration and will result in a number of recommended complete streets projects which include a variety of improvements such as strategic road capacity improvements (ie: road widening from 2 to 4 lanes), transit measures, and urbanization with curbs, storm sewers, sidewalks and cycling facilities.
• transit: builds on the current rapid transit projects in implementation, corridor recommendations will range from isolated transit priority measures such as queue jump lanes and transit priority signals, to dedicated transit lanes where appropriate
• cycling: will include the identification of new cycling connections as well as upgrades to current cycling infrastructure

Really looking forward to seeing it!

https://pub-london.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=111914

[GreatTallNorth2]

Ah what you guys don't understand is that these plans are just plans for the sake of plans. The politicians never do what the public wants. They just shelve the plan like they did for Shift London and every other plan in London's history.

[CanadianTalk]

The city released the draft networks today that map out all transportation projects from now until 2050 as part of the Mobility Master Plan.

You can go to the links below and provide some feedback.

https://getinvolved.london.ca/mobility-master-plan
https://london.ca/living-london/roads-sidewalks-transportation/mobility-master-plan

Also, if you visit the webpages found in the links above, you can see the proposed timing of the roads/transit projects, which is sorted into three categories; near term (2025 to 2035), medium term (2035 to 2045), and long term (2045 to 2055)

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Strategic Road Projects

The Mobility Master Plan is recommending road projects that add capacity and improve traffic flow to better manage congestion and advance the implementation of sidewalks and bike facilities in areas lacking this essential infrastructure. Roundabouts and new turning lanes may also be implemented.

blue - 2 to 4 lane expansion
green - road improvements (ie: sidewalks, bike paths, turning lanes, etc)
purple - new road re-alignment









Transit Priority Network

A draft transit priority network map illustrates proposed rapid transit corridors, as well as transit priority routes, and transit-friendly areas that will increase access to jobs, destinations, healthcare and other major institutions. It has been strategically designed to support London’s most densely developing areas and to significantly improve the reliability of cross-city trips.

green - existing and underway rapid transit route
light purple - proposed rapid transit corridor (dedicated lanes where feasible via road widening)
dark purple - proposed transit priority corridor (widenings only where necessary, for transit improvements such as queue jump lanes, regulatory measures, and transit signal priority)
blue - proposed transit friendly corridor (enhanced transit operations, such as Express Routes, and transit signal priority)










Cycling Network

The Mobility Master Plan is recommending a 10-year implementation plan (from now until 2035) which includes multi-modal projects with cycling improvements and some standalone cycling projects.









Pedestrian Network

The Mobility Master Plan is identifying sidewalk gaps on major roads to be completed where there is demand for walking. Major Roads are typically multilane roads that carry larger volumes of traffic. They include Civic Boulevards, Urban Thoroughfares and Rapid Transit Boulevards.

[MolsonExport]

So many loose connections. Nice to see a bike lane on Gainsborough, but then what happens at Hyde Park Road and Wonderland Road? Merge with cars?

[CanadianTalk]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

So many loose connections. Nice to see a bike lane on Gainsborough, but then what happens at Hyde Park Road and Wonderland Road? Merge with cars?

Agreed. From what I can tell, it looks like the cycling map is showing new cycling infrastructure on roads that have absolutely zero cycling infrastructure now. I think many of the gaps technically have bike lanes, but it's those awful painted ones with no separation between the bike lane and car lane. I read somewhere that the City has plans to eventually upgrade the painted bike lanes on busy roads to protected cycling infrastructure. A similar thing was done on Platts Lane last year when it was torn up for construction (painted bike lanes replaced w/ boulevard paths).

I live just off of Fanshawe between Adelaide and Highbury and while there are bike lanes, they are painted ones, and it's awful riding right next to speeding traffic at my handle bar. I go out of my way to go through my subdivision to bypass the painted lanes to get to the protected bike path on Fanshawe west of Adelaide.

[GreatTallNorth2]

Lame plan, no real rapid transit.

[haljackey]

Originally Posted by GreatTallNorth2

Lame plan, no real rapid transit.

Maybe not, but I am not really expecting that in this plan. Good to see the old Wonderland road widening project re-imagined for bus lanes, however.

Also there's your 4 laning of Highbury to St. Thomas many of us were complaining about.

Getting Bradley widened east of Wellington and connected to Pack is also a godsend for the south end.

Curious to see what they come up with for bus lanes on central Oxford. Parts of that are only 4 lanes like Wharncliffe which defeated the west BRT leg.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by CanadianTalk

Agreed. From what I can tell, it looks like the cycling map is showing new cycling infrastructure on roads that have absolutely zero cycling infrastructure now. I think many of the gaps technically have bike lanes, but it's those awful painted ones with no separation between the bike lane and car lane. I read somewhere that the City has plans to eventually upgrade the painted bike lanes on busy roads to protected cycling infrastructure. A similar thing was done on Platts Lane last year when it was torn up for construction (painted bike lanes replaced w/ boulevard paths).

I live just off of Fanshawe between Adelaide and Highbury and while there are bike lanes, they are painted ones, and it's awful riding right next to speeding traffic at my handle bar. I go out of my way to go through my subdivision to bypass the painted lanes to get to the protected bike path on Fanshawe west of Adelaide.

I hear you. I am an avid bicyclist, but I won't bike down the (painted) 'bike lanes' of Hyde Park Road, as it is filled with pickup trucks doing 80+ kms/hr, just inches from your handle bar.

[jammer139]

Where is the multi-use path down the Medway Creek Valley south of Fanshawe to the NW corner of Western? They show a path on the north bank of the Thames River beside CPRI and the City sewage treatment plant up the Oxford St bridge. They will need the Province of Ontario support to allow a path on the CPRI property.

[MolsonExport]

I want a pedestrian crossing of Medway Creek between Gainsborough and Windermere so badly...

why does East London seem to get all the crossings?

[bolognium]

I'm sure you already know this, but I'm guessing East London gets all the crossings because whenever something is proposed in the North or West, residents squawk and protest. Many residents around the Medway ESA look at the valley as being their own private natural area. Anything that makes it more accessible to the greater city is likely going to see opposition. They'll complain about people parking on neighbourhood streets, people damaging the environment, throwing whatever they can at the wall to see what sticks.

East London generally seems happy and welcoming of improvements. Conversely, I can imagine loads of West-enders throwing a tantrum over a multi-use bridge in Medway.

I want to see an asphalt multi-use path blasted straight through Medway valley connecting Gainsborough and Windermere just as you said. It's ridiculous we haven't bridged that gap already.

[Snark]

Originally Posted by bolognium

...whenever something is proposed in the North or West, residents squawk and protest. Many residents around the Medway ESA look at the valley as being their own private natural area. Anything that makes it more accessible to the greater city is likely going to see opposition. They'll complain about people parking on neighbourhood streets, people damaging the environment, throwing whatever they can at the wall to see what sticks..

This is a very real phenomenon. I've been in battles with residents living in more affluent neighbourhoods where residents fought tooth and nail against a simple sidewalk being installed on their street. They didn't mind being very blunt why: they didn't want "outsiders" (meaning any other citizens other than themselves) passing through their street. They threw up all kind of ridiculous secondary arguments such as the construction of such a sidewalk would be BAD for climate change, as construction equipment are machines that burn fuel. When I would point out that such a proposed sidewalk was consistent the Transportation Master Plan (TMP) of the time, their counter proposal was to have their street closed as a public right-of-way, and be converted to a private gated community.

Anyway, they went to council to fight our proposal, and lo, council sided with the residents and forbade staff in proceeding with the sidewalk at that location. They openly acknowledged that they were voting against the TMP that they actually approved several years prior as municipal policy. If this were happening in one of the rougher, lower income neighbourhoods the outcome would likely have been different.

[MolsonExport]

^yeah, you probably identified the main reasons. NIMBYism in NW London is quite bad....somehow, I have high rises practically in my (Hyde Park) backyard though.

[CanadianTalk]

Another new component of the Mobility Master Plan is the new “goods movement network”.

LFP article: https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/does-london-need-a-goods-movement-network-city-hall-thinks-so

The network is designed to highlight where more priority should be placed when road projects come up. In other words, being part of this network is one more factor potentially pushing road projects to the front of the line. The network could also lead to design improvements, such as larger intersections for wider turning.