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Old Posted Jan 23, 2020, 8:37 PM
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Affordable Housing

This article on TVO Agenda about affordable housing designs is interesting.


https://www.tvo.org/article/how-this-und...ould-help-solve-the-affordability-crisis
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Ontario urged to eliminate exclusionary zoning to increase density.




https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/o...-density-housing-options-across-province
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Globe article on the endless political debate on building housing. Bureaucracy out of control.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...-plan-to-build-more-housing-risks-being/
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The Federal Government is looking for ideas on what to do with 120 Queens Ave which is currently a vacant 3s office building.

I suspect they won't get much interest under the terms of leasing the building. If they were to sell it and the parking lot on the east side then the interest of developers might be higher.


https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/otta...with-this-empty-downtown-london-building
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Now how about some truly affordable housing for those who aren't homeless or the poorest of the poor, but cannot afford the outrageous rents being demanded by greedy landlords in London?
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Former IBM building on Dufferin gets millions from the City for the office to residential conversion fund.

D. Grant Construction already working in the building.

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/lond...downtown-office-building-into-apartments
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A number of funding projects were announced today by the Feds.

The funding, from the National Housing Strategy’s $14.6-billion Affordable Housing Fund, will support five projects:

$74.4 million for Residenza Victoria on Colborne Street to build 180 units
$11 million for Zerin Place on Clarke Road to build 65 units
$2.2 million for Native Inter-Tribal Housing Co-operative to repair 57 units
$1.4 million for repairs to P.A.M. Gardens, 279 units
$855,000 for Talmill Towers.
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A number of funding projects were announced today by the Feds.

The funding, from the National Housing Strategy’s $14.6-billion Affordable Housing Fund, will support five projects:

$74.4 million for Residenza Victoria on Colborne Street to build 180 units
$11 million for Zerin Place on Clarke Road to build 65 units
$2.2 million for Native Inter-Tribal Housing Co-operative to repair 57 units
$1.4 million for repairs to P.A.M. Gardens, 279 units
$855,000 for Talmill Towers.
Is Zerin Place building another building or is that to pay for the one built at the Home Depot entrance a few years ago?
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It's the existing building finished 3 years ago. Maybe they are just re announcing funding as it won't make much sense given the building was completed over 3 years ago or they are paying off the mortgage.

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Is Zerin Place building another building or is that to pay for the one built at the Home Depot entrance a few years ago?
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Federal government looking for proposals to turn this building at 451 Talbot St into affordable housing.

The building, with 19,642 square metres (more than 211,000 square feet) of floor space, is listed as in poor condition. Records show that over the years, it housed the revenue and border services agencies, RCMP and Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada.

For now, Ottawa only wants feedback from the development community on a potential lease of the Pierpoint building at 451 Talbot St., and the previously announced Lipton building at 120 Queens.

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/otta...ntown-london-office-building-for-housing

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Federal government looking for proposals to turn this building at 451 Talbot St into affordable housing.

The building, with 19,642 square metres (more than 211,000 square feet) of floor space, is listed as in poor condition. Records show that over the years, it housed the revenue and border services agencies, RCMP and Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada.

For now, Ottawa only wants feedback from the development community on a potential lease of the Pierpoint building at 451 Talbot St., and the previously announced Lipton building at 120 Queens.

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/otta...ntown-london-office-building-for-housing
I saw this article this morning. I was surprised to read that the building was "in poor condition" (something that applies to most Farhi-owned, empty buildings....but this one appears relatively new and occupied). Have the owners been skimping on maintenance? It doesn't look very well suited for conversion to housing....large floorplates, etc.

Anyways, anything beats empty buildings, especially Farhi-owned empty buildings, of which London is unfortunately chock full of.
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I saw this article this morning. I was surprised to read that the building was "in poor condition" (something that applies to most Farhi-owned, empty buildings....but this one appears relatively new and occupied). Have the owners been skimping on maintenance? It doesn't look very well suited for conversion to housing....large floorplates, etc.

Anyways, anything beats empty buildings, especially Farhi-owned empty buildings, of which London is unfortunately chock full of.
I too, am surprised to learn that 451 Talbot is in poor condition. It's not owned by Farhi, but Public Works and Government Services Canada (PWGSC).

Up until the spring of 2019, I worked for CRA at that location, and the building seemed to be OK to me. Sure, it could have been freshened up a bit, but whatever.

But if it is in truly poor condition, then this explains why so many of my former colleagues are still not working there even at this very late date, and working from home despite the new 'three days in the office each week' rule.

It's probably cheaper and easier to keep them working from home rather than spending tons of money trying to refurbish and retrofit a building that is verging on 50 years of age, and can't be retrofitted to accept modern technology.

Rather interestingly, the Free Press article says the building site could accommodate up to 1,300 housing units, although this would probably require that the building be torn down to make way for an entirely new structure.
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Speaking of office to residential conversion, I drove by the empty Rexall at Dundas and Richmond today. Wasn't that supposed to have housing in it by this fall? Not a thing being done to the place.
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I too, am surprised to learn that 451 Talbot is in poor condition. It's not owned by Farhi, but Public Works and Government Services Canada (PWGSC).

Up until the spring of 2019, I worked for CRA at that location, and the building seemed to be OK to me. Sure, it could have been freshened up a bit, but whatever.

But if it is in truly poor condition, then this explains why so many of my former colleagues are still not working there even at this very late date, and working from home despite the new 'three days in the office each week' rule.

It's probably cheaper and easier to keep them working from home rather than spending tons of money trying to refurbish and retrofit a building that is verging on 50 years of age, and can't be retrofitted to accept modern technology.

Rather interestingly, the Free Press article says the building site could accommodate up to 1,300 housing units, although this would probably require that the building be torn down to make way for an entirely new structure.
Poor condition can mean anything though; if the fire system is old and outdated for example, it would be considered part of the buildings overall condition. Or things like electrical switchgears, lighting, HVAC, etc. I work with fire systems and wonder how many old systems are still left around London; I do a lot of replacements and such. Most have a lifespan of like 15-20 years technically before they are pretty much obsolete with new technology.
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London progress on reaching the goal of 3000 units covered in this article.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/lo...0-new-affordable-housing-units-1.7421889
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You can now see they are making progress installing new steel stud partition walls in the old IBM office building on Dufferin Ave. They are dividing up the floor space to create residential units in this former office building. Imagine the electrical and plumbing rough-in is a challenge to map out in order to create the units on each floor.
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London progress on reaching the goal of 3000 units covered in this article.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/lo...0-new-affordable-housing-units-1.7421889
This is a drop in the bucket relative to the demand that exists for affordable housing. 80% of market rent is still too much money for most people.

I love how the city pats itself on the back and tells people it's doing a good job, when they are not even doing the minimum required.
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This is a drop in the bucket relative to the demand that exists for affordable housing. 80% of market rent is still too much money for most people.
According to CMHC as of a few months ago, there were 52,600 rental units available in the city with a median rent price of $1430 (meaning half of the units are greater than that price, and half less than that price). The vacancy rate was 2.9%, meaning that 51,075 units were being rented. If one were to assume that 1.8 persons lived in each unit being actively rented, then a little less than 92,000 persons were living in rental units in the city. Added to that, approximately 7,000 people are on the waiting list for affordable housing, making approx. 100,000 people who are renting and/or want to rent. If one were to assume that half of the actively renting population (46,000) were paying the median or less rental price, and half of that group could afford the rent but had to make serious sacrifices elsewhere to make it work (i.e. - can pay but it is really too much for them), that would result in 23,000 people who are renting but paying more than they can really afford. Then add to that the 7,000 on the affordable housing waiting list, it would work out to perhaps totalling 30,000 people of the renting and/or want-to-rent population who find the rent prices barely affordable or unaffordable at all. That would be a little less than one third of the “renting population” finding the cost of rent ranging from excessive, to extreme, to outright prohibitive.

That is an awful lot, and unacceptable amount, of people. But, if 80% of the available rental units were truly costing too much for most of the population as you claim, the number of financially disenfranchised renters/wannabe renters would be much higher than 30% of the renting population. Additionally, if that 80% of units are unaffordable assertion were really the case, the vacancy rate would be much, much higher than 2.9%. I’m not debating you assertion that there is a very big problem with available renting units geared for the portion of the population on the lower end of the income spectrum, but it isn’t so dire as to say that 4 out of 5 rental units are financially unattainable for two-thirds to three-quarters of the general population.

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I love how the city pats itself on the back and tells people it's doing a good job, when they are not even doing the minimum required.
What is the minimum required? It has never been the role of local government to be a landlord and supplier of subsidized (even free in some cases) housing for very large portions of the population. Never. That said, the circumstances surrounding the cost of housing have indeed radically changed in the past decade or more and begs for alternative approaches to address it.

In that context, you criticize the City for pointing out that it is doing more than it ever done in this regard, because you feel that it should be doing much, much more. It’s easy to criticize from the stands, but if local government were to take on the much larger role of developer/landlord/social welfare agency as you advocate, the current budget of $40 million for this would likely have to be double or triple that figure to meet that higher service level. Where does that money come from? What existing municipal services are to be sacrificed to pay for this? Or, would you be able to convince a large enough portion of the taxpayers to pay more property tax to pay for this? And from a principals perspective, could you persuade the rest of council and the public that the municipality should get into the business of becoming one of the largest landlords within its’ jurisdiction?
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