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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 11:19 AM
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 12:34 PM
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Hopefully nothing.

The health unit however can turn into a 50-story skyscraper for all I care.
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This is potential exciting news. If there are competing bids for the 50 King site it means there is recognition that is is the prime location for a definitive, iconic 50 floor stunning curvy residential tower. Or something close to that ideal!

City buying the old Courthouse could mean a city department going in there - or maybe something that attracts people - maybe in conjunction with Museum London - and tie in with forks redevelopment/Dundas Flex Street. Open to all GOOD ideas on that - something that people want to go to.

Leads into an old fantasy idea for the Forks that makes more sense with more residential towers and population downtown... If Rogers would move the AAA farm team of the Blue Jays here from Buffalo and someone would build a 2 or 3 tier state-of-the-art grandstand that holds 10,000 (and have a level of private boxes - 10,000 is what you need for International League) around the 1st to 3rd base of the existing Labatt Park diamond, you would potentially have the same phenomenon as the sold-out Knights all summer long. Key here is having all the new population downtown within walking distance and have many of them be Toronto transplants who have cashed out and chosen London to settle in as it has an affordable urban vibe with the new downtown population - and even has the Blue Jays... the London Blue Jays!

The more towers going up around the forks will make for a spectacular view from the ball park. A little like Charlotte, NC's downtown AAA park:

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/2408201/c...allpark-skyline*750xx2100-1178-0-424.jpg

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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 9:16 PM
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While I would love to see the Jays AAA team here, I just can't see anyone stepping up to spend the at least hundred million dollars a decent 10,000 seat stadium would cost here. The stadium in Buffalo seats 16,000, which no doubt helps keep their average attendance in the 8,000 per game range (although it's down a bit this year). I just don't see London supporting to that level for 70 games a year, especially in April and early May. We had AA and they drew in the hundreds many nights and they won a league championship one year. That Charlotte stadium would look good here though, especially with our improving skyline.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 9:32 PM
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There was also some talk of building an all new City Hall incorporating the historical building into the design. What would happen to the current City Hall was a question mark thou.

Let's pray that it's not Farhi making the offers. Kiss of Death that would be.
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While I would love to see the Jays AAA team here, I just can't see anyone stepping up to spend the at least hundred million dollars a decent 10,000 seat stadium would cost here. The stadium in Buffalo seats 16,000, which no doubt helps keep their average attendance in the 8,000 per game range (although it's down a bit this year). I just don't see London supporting to that level for 70 games a year, especially in April and early May. We had AA and they drew in the hundreds many nights and they won a league championship one year. That Charlotte stadium would look good here though, especially with our improving skyline.
Please note I used the word fantasy explicitly for the London Jays rambling. I will point out that the London Tigers were sold out pretty much of the first two years and it only tailed off in the thrird, which had a brutally cool and wet April and early May, IIRC. Their departure was also driven by the very weak dollar during that period (this is the same timeframe when Winnipeg and Quebec both lost their NHL teams, due in large part to the team costs affected by the low dollar).

The "it won't work" argument was tossed around about the Knights before they moved downtown too. If a new grandstand with private boxes and nice amenities were there it could become a destination in and of itself. I agree you'd need someone to pony up big bucks, and would only likely happen if someone with deep pockets made it a labour of love (and they were scheduled mostly on the road for most of April).

Its funny how I dream big dreams for London, but alas, I know they don't have any hope of fruition. Maybe London should be renamed "If only..."
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2019, 9:52 PM
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There was also some talk of building an all new City Hall incorporating the historical building into the design. What would happen to the current City Hall was a question mark thou.

Let's pray that it's not Farhi making the offers. Kiss of Death that would be.
I hope they don't put a new City Hall where 50 King is. That is the prime spot for a signature AAAAA curvy 50 storey residential. It would be the height of arrogance and self importance for politicians to think that spot should be theirs.

Putting a City department in the old Courthouse would be fine, but there are a lot of potential spots for a new City Hall. My vote would be the east end of the Queens,Talbot, Fullerton block - would make it a sort of Government Corner. West end of that lot could be a great 30 storey AAA office or 45 storey residential. Then implode the old City Hall and Centennial Hall and put in more residential towers.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 12:20 AM
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My opinion is the site calls for something very much like this Milwaukee tower:

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Love the enthusiasm Taller is Better, but don't think we will see a supertall building on that site. My hope is as follows:

1) Turn the old courthouse into a museum - a building as historic as it should be accessible to everyone. Plus, London has absolutely zero attractions and a city our size should have some kind of tourist attractions for it's own citizens and for tourists. We just had friends from England over to visit us and there was literally no where to take them. We took them downtown and they were bored silly.

2) Tear down the Middlesex County office building thing where the health unit is and either make it more parkland or possibly put a concert hall there. Or you could put an interesting lookout tower in that location. I've been to several cities in europe and a bell tower/lookout tower is very popular - one that you can walk stairs or a circular floor. Make it iconic looking and something that every person who visits London has to do. Really hope the city gets this land and does something great.

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Middlesex County opens door to offers for both its core London properties

Let the bidding war begin.

Rejecting the unsolicited offers it’s had, Middlesex County is opening its showpiece lands overlooking London’s birthplace to all comers through a call for expressions of interest in the historic property.







Following a closed-door meeting Tuesday, county council decided it will only accept proposals for both 50 King St., now the home of the area public health office which is moving to CitiPlaza, and 399 Ridout St. N., the 19th-century former London courthouse building used as the county’s administration building. Also included is a restored historic jail behind the county building.

Overlooking the forks of the Thames River, where London began, the downtown turf is one of the most historic sites in the city.

The county, for a time, had been talking about building a highrise residential tower on the part of the property where the health unit building stands.

“We understand this is a very valuable property, and we want to make sure that the process is fully transparent,” Middlesex Warden Kurtis Smith said of council’s decision.

“Allowing it to be open through an expression of interest will allow many different developers or individuals to put expressions of interest for the properties,” he said.

Until now, the county hadn’t sought offers. Middlesex had several unsolicited offers to buy or lease the properties, county officials have said. All of them were rejected.

One of those offers is believed to have come from London city hall, with Mayor Ed Holder and some city officials seen leaving the county building in July following a closed-door meeting in which county politicians discussed the future of the properties.

Asked Tuesday whether the city had made a formal offer, Bill Rayburn, the county’s top bureaucrat, said he could not comment since council dealt with all the offers as confidential property matters.

The Middlesex-London Health Unit plans to vacate the building it rents for $600,000 a year at 50 King St. this April.

Smith said the original intent was to decide only what would happen with 50 King, but several offers the county received involved both of its properties, making Tuesday’s vote necessary.

“Council was not looking at doing anything with 399 Ridout St. It wasn’t on our radar to do anything with it. But now that those unsolicited offers came in, we realized we should make sure we are being accountable to ourselves and the public,” he said.

Tuesday’s council motion clears the way for a potential sale of both properties, but Smith insisted that’s not a foregone conclusion.

“Going through this process does not mean that county council will be selling either property,” he said. “It just means that we are going through that process to make sure we have all the options out there for council.”

The call for expressions of interest is expected out in coming weeks and will include some of the terms and criteria council will use to assess offers.

With the health unit’s April 1 move looming, Smith said he expects a decision sooner rather than later.

“We don’t want to see that building sitting empty,” he said. “So this is pressing. It seems like April 1 is a long time away, but all these processes take time, so obviously the sooner the better.”

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Love the enthusiasm Taller is Better, but don't think we will see a supertall building on that site. My hope is as follows:

1) Turn the old courthouse into a museum - a building as historic as it should be accessible to everyone. Plus, London has absolutely zero attractions and a city our size should have some kind of tourist attractions for it's own citizens and for tourists. We just had friends from England over to visit us and there was literally no where to take them. We took them downtown and they were bored silly.
Agreed! It would be great for more museums and attractions to be in London.
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Am I missing why some feel it is important for the city to own the land? No chance the courthouse and jail are compromised that are historic sites, however if another developer like Tricar/Old Oak, York, (some new TO player), wanted to buy it and build a show piece building that is the place to do it.
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My thoughts are this: the old courthouse and area is the city's once in a lifetime chance at creating a historic attraction. Interesting 100 year old buildings are rare. I'm actually surprised that the courthouse doesn't already belong to the city.

Tricar or whoever's only goal would be to build something to make money. Nothing wrong with them making money but this situation is unique - we don't need a tower hovering overtop of the courthouse.

If I were the city, I would consider making it a museum - there is a lot of history in London and now might be the chance to show people how Upper Canada was discovered. I'd also consider demoing the MLHU building and parking lot and turning it into parkland.
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My thoughts are this: the old courthouse and area is the city's once in a lifetime chance at creating a historic attraction. Interesting 100 year old buildings are rare. I'm actually surprised that the courthouse doesn't already belong to the city.

Tricar or whoever's only goal would be to build something to make money. Nothing wrong with them making money but this situation is unique - we don't need a tower hovering overtop of the courthouse.

If I were the city, I would consider making it a museum - there is a lot of history in London and now might be the chance to show people how Upper Canada was discovered. I'd also consider demoing the MLHU building and parking lot and turning it into parkland.
Why can it not be split up? The city could take the court house and jail and do something like that and then allow the health unit land to be developed. A museum would be great there I agree.

That said this is prime land, I do not see them turning the health unit building/parking lot into a park with Harris park across the street. A developer is going to pay a big price for that spot.
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Then implode the old City Hall and Centennial Hall and put in more residential towers.
They can't; as that tower & hall is connected to a parking garage that serves the other 2 buildings on the property. I don't see why city hall would want to move, whats wrong with the building it's in now?
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The current city hall is very small (or the city staff is way too large lol). The city is renting space all over downtown for various departments.
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York Dev has purchased the County Courthouse block. Mixed use development expected in 4-6 years.



https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/larg...for-showpiece-downtown-london-land-buyer
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Sale of property closed today. County can stay for 5 years under terms of deal. Should be more then enough time to find and/or build new county office. https://london.ctvnews.ca/sale-closes-on-former-historic-courthouse-to-private-developer-1.5267994
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